Aleksiel

I think the canon is spren don't attract spren. If you can find this WoB, please link it, because I haven't seen it.

What, he's wearing some sort of Shardclothes that last for over four millenniums? And he never changed his clothes? They are described similarly, but I'm not buying it's the very same piece of clothing. May be Kalak has different take on what a 30 year old man looks, we don't know if the Heralds are Rosharian. Granted, in-world portraits from thousands of years ago are to be viewed with a certain dose of skepticism. You said it yourself that Vorin image of the Jezrien is not how Kalak described him, so you shouldn't expect Taln to look much like Vorin Taln if you don't trust Vorin portraits of the Heralds. May be Shin don't have better descriptions, Szeth has visited the tower in Urithiru long before Dalinar found it, so he could have seen a portrait of Nale there. However, are the images of the Heralds at the beginning of each chapter made by the Vorin church? Who created the KR chart we have in WoK? I assumed that's the Vorin take on the Heralds, but I can't find textual evidence for this now. I think you're wrong. When Dalinar writes about the Everstorm, Gawx is already a Prime, so chasing Lift was likely before recruiting Szeth. Nale told him they'll be going to Shinovar and Szeth wasn't present when Lift robbed the palace. I checked the timeline, but Lift's interlude isn't listed, however after WoR climax there are only the beginning of Navani's journal and Dalinar becoming a Bondsmith.

No, it was Balat's sword that broke the Soulcaster when he dueled their father:

Yeah, may be Kalak has identity crisis

I think Kalak has a birthmark on his cheek if you look closely on the Surgebinding chart. Vorinism got the two Heralds reversed? Nevertheless, it's interesting Szeth recognized Nale, although he probably believed the Heralds existed in the first place, so he easily made the connection when justice was mentioned. Or may be the Shin have more accurate portraits since they also keep the Honorblades.

Minor Warbreaker spoilers: We aren't sure if that truly was Jezrien and although the cloths are probably described in the same way (I'll take your word for it; I don't remember), it's highly unlikely the very same clothes survived ~4500; more like Jezrien's fashion preferences didn't change for millenniums. We have no idea what the Heralds re-appear wearing when they come back to Roshar, so may be might-be-Taln just took the first clothes he came across or something. Ishar is supposed to be significantly older or at least he looks like an old man according to Vorinism, whereas Taln and Kalak are younger looking. Szeth recognized Nalan, so unless the Shin have some different pictures of the Heralds, it's probably a fairly reliable source to judge basic appearance. Which leads to the interesting question - if the Vorin portraits of the Heralds are credible, why didn't anyone comment on might-be-Taln to resemble Taln's image? He wasn't chasing surgebinders after the Everstorm was summoned, he went for Szeth. Nalan might not be aware of Taln presence in the warcamps. I imagine no Herald would want to visit Taln at least out of guilt - they abandoned him alone in Damnation (or plotted something against him; Kalak only knows what Jezrien said and we saw Kaladin justifying lying on several occasions). And if I was Taln, I wouldn't be particularly glad to see them either. So no hugging and forgiveness so soon. Didn't Nalan basically agree Szeth was right and unjustly made Truthless? If the reason for making Szeth Truthless was his belief the Voidbringers will return, then Nale basically confirmed it. May be they had no reason to talk about Voidbringers and Desolations using these terms, because they were on the same page and we missed it, because we don't know Szeth's story like Nalan does.

Thus we can potentially learn of they meant to break the bonds with their Honorblades by asking if Kalak broke his in the prelude Sounds like a mess for a Shard to be bonded by two people, imagine both of them wanting to use it at the same time.... If you have two spren your intend may determine which one you summon, but sharing a bond with another person sounds troublesome. I see Shai can re-write herself to have a Shardblade she gave up, but I'm not sure that proves any two people could bond the same Shardblade. What Shai does isn't available to the average Rosharian. Unfortunately I can't find that WoB in theoryland or coppermind and I'm not good with finding WoB in other sources. However, I'm sure it exist and is part of the reasons some people believe Nale has his Honorblade and can surgebind, although it will be good to check the phrasing again to see if 'went back' was used. edit: @Moogle Thank you!

Well, why just leave them if the bonds stands, what's the point? Szeth was bonded to Jezrien's and unless two people can be bonded to the same Honorblade, Jezrien broke his bond. And we know one Herald went back for his Honorblade - why go if he could simply re-summon it?

It would be great of someone asks Moogle's questions about eye color on Roshar - why there aren't ten different light eye colors and why aren't Shallan's pale garnet. Also may be why Kal's eyes sometimes change to pale blue or if Radiants permanently had pale eyes. I also want to add another question - did Kalak really break his bond with his Honorblade in the prelude of WoK? He just left it in the ground without doing anything special or even thinking about breaking the bond, so no intend either.

And there are starspren, what are they attracted to? I agree 'godspren' is weird and misleading term, but it's not the only confusing one we have.

I don't see how it's not implied when it's the Honorblades that give surgebindings powers. Using stormlight to survive isn't not the same as surgebidning, I doubt Vasher can use any of the surges.

I see REE is doing everything they can to be hated by WoT fans.... Reading the article, this is what I understood: They're suing Harriet (I'm not sure if it should be Ms or Mrs McDougal, so I'm going with her first name; also we seldom use honorifics in my native language and just using a family in English name sound rude to me; I know it's weird but anyway) for saying Universal should have been involved when REE claims she knew that contract has expired. Also, because they claim Jordan Estate wasn't supposed to publicly criticize anything REE produced on WoT. They're pretending to be offended by the statement when this 'pilot' was so horrid they likely knew they'll get mainly negative reactions. May be they think there's no bad publicity and are using the victim card.

Nalan said Szeth's bonds with the Honorblade - both physical and spiritual! - were broken when he 'died', so Honorbaldes can be bonded. There's just some serious misunderstanding when it comes to pre-WoR WoB on this. But there's nothing on Honorblades being bonded to only one person. Judging on WoK prelude and how Szeth had to 'die' to severe the bonds between him and his Honorblade, I'd say Kalak is still bonded to his. edit: I may even make a theory on it later today unless I feel too lazy

I didn't mean 'take the Honorblade away' only in physical sense, but like break the bond between them. I guess the Heralds could still be bond to their Blades, but why would Brandon say one of them went back for his/her if s/he could have just re-summoned it? Szeth bonded Jezrien's Blade, I find it unlikely for him to have been able to do it if the Blade was still bonded with the Herald. Or could Honorblades be bonded by more than one person I really doubt it, but I don't think anyone's ever asked Brandon something like that. Anyway, back to something more plausible. Kalak did just leave his: He didn't do anything special like Dalinar did when he broke his bond with Oathbringer. Of course, Shardblades aren't Honorblades, but Nale thought Szeth's death was important for him to break the spiritual connection with Jezrien's blade. Funny, I haven't given this sentence much thought both times I read WoR. But it's logical to have both spiritual and physical bond, may be even a cognitive one? So looking back at WoK prelude, it would seem Kalak didn't break his bonds with his Blade, he just physically left it, which shouldn't be enough.

Taln was incredibly fast without inhaling stormlight - he caught that dart in a heartbeat and there was no glowing involved (even little would have been obvious in a dark room) or spheres going dun. Brandon said the Heralds can't surgebind without their Honorblades, but still have some additional powers. Why would they be able to passively benefit from stormlight and just not surgebind, what's the logic behind it? The squires at least have some form of a bond, just not a Nahel bond. Take the Honorblade away and the Heralds have no bonds that we know of unless you count the Oathpact. However, if Heralds can casually inhale and physically benefit from stormlight, that goes a long way against the theory of Nale having his Blade, which I'm not a fan of, so I won't mind if what you suggest is the case.

This could be the case, especially considering how the majority of the Shards belong to Vorin countries. But if Shards change eye color permanently and it's inherited, then the same must have been true for the KR and their children, however there aren't ten different light eye colors. We have blue, green, tan, violet, yellow and grey, that's only 6. Let's say Bondsmiths, being too few, somehow didn't have children or all their descendants died - and we still lack 3 eye colors. I may accept that for some reason nobody has a Blade from those Orders, but I'm not willing to buy those colors were red, pink and orange and all descendants with them have been killed, because people thought they resembled Voidbringers. I wonder if pre-Sunmaker Vorinism had a different take on eye color.

I think it's a terrible in-world reason to make lighteyes superior because the resemble the traitors to mankind. It doesn't make sense to me, why would anyone want to be ruled by the descendants of the corrupted and disreputable? How could the descendants of the KR justify their superiority over others? Just remember the reactions when Dalinar suggested refounding the KR and more. I'm not arguing you're wrong, but I do think it's a poor explanation of the light/dark eyed system.

It's more or less the same thing - Heralds can surgebind only when in possession of Honorblades and they can use stormlight only when they have their surgebidning powers, which for them is when they have their Honorblades. There might be other cases when a Herald could use stormlight - after reviving a Shardblade or becoming a squire for example, but Heralds can't draw stormlight just because they are Heralds.

The Lost Radiants are considered traitors to humanity, corrupted and even evil. Why would their descendants become the ruling class? If anything, they should be the ones oppressed, not the other way around. Also, it's unclear when the light/dark eyed system first appeared and how it became part of Vorinism.

I don't see any reason to assume that the only descendents of the Radiants came about post-Recreance. Special colored eyes (though grey is a color passed on, Taravangian has grey eyes) definitely is a point against the theory, but your children don't always end up with the same colored eyes as you. I can't recall the example off-hand, I think it was Elhokar who had yellow eyes originally despite his father having green and his mother having violet, and though Elhokar's eyes were later corrected to green eyes I'm not necessarily sure this is an error rather than something Brandon/Peter wanted corrected just to make Elhokar more like Gavilar. (Jasnah has violet eyes like her mother, too, though...) Changes made to sDNA via Hemalurgy can be passed on to your children, so it would make sense that changes to eye color caused by a spren bond would also similarly be passed on. Even if you later remove the spike, your children would still have the sDNA. Also: the children of someone who bonds a dead Shardblade can also apparently be lighteyed, though I can't find the quote for that. I may be wrong on that. It would also make sense for the Radiant's descendents also had darker eyes than Kaladin himself. Allomancy weakens through the generations, so it would make sense for eye colors to do the same if they are indeed caused by sDNA. (this new quoting system is so weird and sort of annoying, can we go to the old one and does it irritate only me?) So, the descendants eyes got only slightly darker? I'd rather go with something like 'dark green/violet eyed are KR descendants' than agree KR children had a shade or two darker light eyes. Going back to Dalinar's visions in WoK he commented on a man being darkeyed, yet being treated like a brightlord; on Recreance he commented on the unnaturally pale blue eyes of a former Radiant. When Dalinar met Nohadon, he did not comment on eyecolor, so it's logical to conclude there was nothing off about Nohadon's eyes. The latter spoke of soulcasters and surgebinders without mentioning any relations to them, so his eyes were regular light. This admittedly is not a solid proof of light eyes existing independently from the KR (though I wonder if pre-KR era surgebinders also had extremely pale eyes). Has it ever been stated lighteyes were children of KR? What are your reasons of arguing there were no light eyes before the KR?

Shallan is a lighteyes, which is to say descended from a Radiant (not 100% confirmed but basically it is), so I wouldn't say they have the same genes as we do on Earth for blue eyes necessarily. More likely to be sDNA rather than DNA. I don't know whether or not this results in actual changes to her eye pigment. That is assuming the Lost Radiants kept their light eyes after they broke their Oaths. Mind that Teft calls Kal's blue eyes 'paler than any Brightlord's'. Brandon said there aren't hereditary surgebinders, so whatever changes happen in the sDNA probably won't be inherited to the children. And if you tie eyecolor with, then lighteyes aren't descendant from the KR. In favor of the latter I can add the lack of orange/red/grey eyes that some Orders likely had.

Shallan has blue eyes, so they have that gene on Roshar.

Lirin isn't a surgebinder, so there's no reason for Nale's Skybreakers to attack him and I don't see why they'd want to provoke Kaladin. They wanted to prevent Desolation and failed. Time to change strategy, I think.

Why would you think it has anything to do with the Stormfather? Folklore may associate Jezrien with the Stormfather, but surely Nale knows better. I also think he meant either Gawx or Jezrien. However, 'may he leads in wisdom' fits better for the newly elected Prime, so the next part is more likely to be about him as well.

The translation could be inaccurate or the information incorrect or misinterpreted; in-world WoR is ~200 after Recreanse. There's a thread where the possibility of the Stormfather bonding more than one Bondsmith has been discussed if you'd like to take a look at it.