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Do note, on the other hand, that we've already got evidence of two radically different ways Nahel Spren communicates with their "hosts". Sylphrena and Wyndle have a quasi-physical manifestation visible to their hosts that they use to convers with them. In Shallan's (and presumably Elokhar's) case, they are invisible even to their host except for in quite specific situations (appearing in Shallan's drawings when her mind wanders and appearing to Elokhar in mirrors) and only speaks directly into their minds (confirmed for Shallan, assumed for Elokhar). So for all we know, Dalnar's Spren might present another way of manifesting before their host, in addition to the arguments already presented.

Technically, they see Stormlight (and by extension, Spheres (or is it the other way around?)) as holy. So it isn't really a stretch to think that the very holy men (the "ones who add") could be allowed to use Spheres and Stormlight for adding farming purposes.

Wouldn't it be possible to use the Coppermind wiki for this? Make a comment-free post and permanent post somewhere really visible on this forum linking to the Coppermind article. The plus side for this is that it would make linking the sources for Coppermind articles much easier.

Could also be indicating that he in fact has two fathers, which would mean that his parents either divorced and then remarried, or that he was raised by a homosexual male couple. EDIT: Lol. I seem to remember having two up-votes on this post. Somehow this one became both my first double up-vote post and my first double down-vote post.

Thank you, Hoser. I've read the book several times and completely missed this every time. And the pages correspond to page 381 in the hard-cover version for others who want to check this out. Still Chapter 29, though. We only have flimsy evidence for anything, at best, but given developments later in the book, I think we can rule out the possibility that this is Dalinar's own internal voice, especially given that it seems so out of place from the rest of his internal monologue and that it is accompanied with the very real physical effect of his sickness. This leaves us with a Spren or "after-effects" of the visions as possible origins. It is noteworthy, though, that it is written in italics and in a slightly more elaborate font in the text, in much the same way as the Cryptics speak to Shallan: The examples we have, on the other hand, of Honour (or what is left of him) is written in a blocky type of font: Now, this might not be the most reliable evidence, but it seems to me much more likely that it is actually Dalinar's Spren talking to him (which we've all suspected he'd get at some point). But to see evidence of this so early (yeah, I'm already treating it as a fact set in stone) almost makes me squee like a fanboy! (ok, I did squee.)

They might still use the Shardplates for farming. I kind of like this theory, even if it is currently rather baseless.

I'll shortly be removing the "may" part of my claim. 23. Just spit-balling. Not a new claim, just a my personal preferences in terms of shipping. 33. Yes, agree. I do believe that Sanderson will challenge himself on this at least at some point in what is likely his Magnum Opus. I somehow completely missed that part of the claim. I'll be changing my position to disagree - at least as long as it only applies to the numbered ones - as I think I'm supporting way over 85% of them. I might change this to agree in the future if the list grows longer and my Agree/Disagree ratio shifts. Also, kudos to you for keeping track of this.

This... might quite possibly, potentially and certainly be the most amazingest shipping-name evah! EDIT: Upvoted !

This is pretty darn close to being my all-time favourite BS quote (pun intended). This one too:

Upvote for presenting such a deliciously ridiculous scenario!

Disagree. Though he obviously has a beef with a Lighteyes.

Really, I LOVE how so many of 17th-shard threads devolve into scientific discussion. My personal favourite so far is the Parshendi & Gemhearts thread, which ridiculously fast gets ludicrously detailed.

I can't seem to find the right quote, but I am certain I've read a WoB where he said that all Shards are similarly blinded by their focus in the same way that Ruin and Preservation (and Harmony) was/is blinded by metal.

If writing is what locks a Spren down, or at least what permits the manipulation of them, then wouldn't this give the Shards of Roshar a rather unfair way to hijack the process? Granted that Odium/Cultivation can change writing much in the same way as [someone] did in Mistborn: WoA. Or would this end up freeing the Spren, as the values of the measurements would have to be specific to the Spren in question, as shown in the Geranid/Ashin Interlude?

I think it most likely that his Shards are the ones currently possessed by Elokhar, and as already indicated by you guys, I can remember nothing from the books to indicate otherwise. If this is not the case however, the above theory appeals to me rather well.

It should be noted that this resistance to falls and the ability to enhance natural instincts and abilities mimic Shardplate's attributes (or rather, the other way around?). Since Shardplates are objects of high Investiture (powerd by Spheres, at least in modern times), it seems likely that this would just be a direct consequence of holding Stormlight/Investiture..

Could you provide the page numbers? I'd like to reread the chapters where he hears voices.

This. Is. Gold. Not necessarily correct, though, but a VERY astute observation, and quite likely true (at least in my book). UPVOTES FOR junior PLZ! I would also like to indicate more clearly what other people already have mentioned. Geranid and Ashir's experiment is very clear that random numbers - even if it might approximately relate to a specific Spren - have no effect. It has to be the measured value of a specific Spren. Thus, by analogy, just reciting quotes from the way of Kings would in no way bind or affect any Nahel Bond related Spren. Unless the correct Words are spoken in the right type of situation by an ideal candidate matching the corresponding Ideals of his Order. I love how this would also give Nohadon means of binding or at least forming the bonding Spren to certain ideals without resorting to Dawnshards or contracts with Honour (or even rediscovering lost ideals). By writing the book, and intending each of the parables to refer to specific types of "Nahel Spren", he could alter how the Nahel bond worked. I am tempted to embrace this theory right her, right now (*frantically looking for the I told you so thread*).

And so you ended up tripple-posting ! xD

I have never handed out so many upvotes before. This thread is awesome, especially since I'm already a fan of Kaladin/Jasnah or Kalasnah (prefer that do Jasnahdin or whatever). I've already suggested it in FeatherWriter's shippingthread, but I havent' been able to formulate it as well as several of you guys in this thread. Best arguments for a Kaladin/Jasnah relationship. Tarah is mentioned on The Way of Kings pages 874 and 880. She is quite subtly not mentioned in the "death-list" of page 919. I honestly do not see the charm of a Shallan/Adolin. Am I the only one who kind of liked Dalan and hopes Adolin stays with her? Shallan/Renarin, on the other hand, is cute.

I am surprised no one in this thread has suggested the Highstorms as a possible body of one of the Shards. It is attributed to Jezrien a.k.a. Stormfather in Vorin mythology, sure, but it's true origin (or rather Origin) might still be "Shardic". It would fit the description of a Shardic body though: it has a physical representation (the Stormwinds) in the Physical Realm (or at the very least have physical consequences) it provides a leak from the Spiritual Realm and/or Cognitive real from which one can draw power - or in this case store it in Spheres to use at a later time - much like Mistborn/Seers could burn Atium and Vin draw upon the mists. EDIT: I somehow completely missed that the very first post referred to the Highstorms as a possible candidate for the body of Honour. And just to follow up on that, I am not sure we need the Gemhearts to be the actual body of any one of the Shards. They are the consequence of leaks of spiritual powers, but not necessarily directly from the body of a Shard. It might just be the creatures of Roshar's way of harnessing the power of the Highstorms / harnessing the body of a Shard.

I sincerely hope not. I liked the character development of Moash; he has become one of my favourites. And while I am already not inclined to believe this, I also find it rather unlikely. Moash repeatedly volunteers to life-threatening missions (such as playing the Parshendi-bones decoy, following Kaladin at the battle of the Tower etc.), which would be highly uncharacteristic if he was primarily self-serving. I do believe he has double motives for what he is doing, but his (apparent) fierce loyalty to Kaladin seems sincere. Also, I wouldn't put to much into what you've read from the WoR chapter. First of all, he never had a slave-brand (which most - if not all - of the others had), so it isn't too strange that he didn't want it to have the "Freedom" glyph on his face, which would suggest he was once a slave. Secondly, if Moash think the Lighteyes position in society to be highly unfair and/or unjustified, then him wanting to learn how to use a sword isn't too much of a stretch either. He wants to elevate his position, no doubt about that (he's pretty much said so already), but not necessarily through nefarious means (at least not to Kaladin)

I think it's high time for me to poke a few holes in my own theory: First of all, it is based on a partially wrong premise. Whereas I described Dalinar's armour glowing in "a burst of brilliant white light", turns out the actual quote is much more subtle: It is, in other words, a lot less dramatic then I previously indicated. Secondly, this is not the only time a similar thing happens to Dalinar later in the book, when he rescues Kaladin's squad right after the latter used his Parshendi-amour dance-diversion. This time he is far away from any other potential surgebinder: It thus seems unlikely that Elokhar would have had anything to do with the glow of Dalinar's armour, since the latter reproduces it at a later time without him. It could be argued that the King could have done it in the first instance, and his uncle reproducing it by himself at this much later event, by this time having advanced enough in "honour" to attract a spren and thus becoming able to Surgebind on his own. While certainly plausible, it would be improbable, as Dalinar's PoV chapters have shown no signs of any Spren lurking around him, and Occam's Razor would otherwise reject this theory anyway. The other possible explanation is, of course, that Dalinar himself was the origin of the effect in both cases, which again would suggest a more mundane source of the rather extraordinary effects. He is after all a Master of the Shardplate, far outstripping any other known Shardbearer in skill. While I find that my original theory doesn't hold water after all, I do believe there is something to these two events. Knowing Sanderson's chronic tendency of subtle forshadowing, I refuse to believe this isn't going to become important to some degree later in the story. EDIT:

I didn't make myself clear enough, I apologise for that. What I mean to say is that, even though such an enormous surge of power would surely have been noticed, it could have passed quickly enough for them not to realise what was happening at all. Given that they were in a rather dire situation, it could easily be overshadowed by panic, and/or adrenaline. Maybe even the Thrill. If this was a one-off event, it could likely have been forgotten afterwards, since it probably wouldn't have been an event that Elokhar/Dalinar could reproduce.

Well, there is the theory that Shardplates might not originally have been powered by Spheres, but by the KR wearing it. The Sphere slots themselves (if there indeed were any in the Plate in it's original form) could have been to house spare Spheres. Also, I think it plausible that whomever used the Stormlight could have done so without noticing. Whatever one of them did would have had to happen so suddenly and forcefully that they might not have had enough time to notice - or at least realise - what they were doing. Kalladin had several instances where he got a sudden surge of power without knowing whence it came, or even that it was happening in the first place.