Sirscott13

Hey guys I went to the Calamity signing in Orem the other day and asked him personally. He said the weight of your gear and metalminds will weigh you down, but after I asked if you could do it naked with your hand against an ironwall he said yes you would indeed float like a balloon. Ta-da! Now we know.

Well has anyone considered then that if you take all aspects of internal weight and the metalmind out of the question as pathfinder mentioned, that you could potentially float if not rise in the atmosphere. Would there be side effects though? Considering that you weigh nothing, but the air is treating you like vacuum density? Wouldn't that crush you? The fact remains that weight change without a change in density is so complex! The only thing I can begin to imagine is that maybe you wouldn't float because the weight of the atmosphere pressing against you would hold you down? Idk anymore

Does the metal weigh you down if ingested? What attributes of your weight do you store? Is it everything inside you, or every living part of you? What if you tapped feruchemy and made yourself huge and stored weight?

I think I'm confused here... I don't think buoyant force changes when storing weight, I'm wondering if you could store your weight enough for Bouyant force to counteract your weight making you float in air. Maybe not rise in the air like a balloon, but surely given enough weight storage you could weigh as much as the air around you for simulated weightlessness even if you can't store 100% of your weight.

But see, if you could store even eighty percent of your weight, a 200lb guy would weigh 40lb. But what I'm wondering is if he'd actually weigh less than 40lbs because now you have a greater Bouyant force acting upon him making him say 35-39lbs or so. If you could store 100% of your weight, you'd basically be a vacuum balloon. Even storing 99% of your weight would put you on par with a helium weather balloon right? The fact of the matter is that the weight of the air vs the weight of the object creates the Bouyant force. A balloon rises because it weighs less than the surrounding air. The formula for bouyancy force is Fb= PA where Fb is Bouyant force, P is pressure, and A is area The standard atmospheric pressure of air is 14.696 psi So would not then someone just have to achieve a similar weight per square inch ratio to float?

So something that has been nagging the back of my mind for a long time is whether or not Bouyant forces come into play when someone stores weight. The obvious thing being is if you can sink or float depending on your storage/tapping of weight. The real question though is whether or not you could float like a balloon in normal air. Let's say you are naked with a swallowed iornmind. You store as much weight as you can, would not this create a negative buoyancy space where you stand. If so, you become a lighter than air balloon and would thereby float. So someone like Wax could get to the top of a building using nothing but a storage of weight. But in the books this effect doesn't seem to take place. Thoughts?

Gems come from the beasts of Roshar. Metal can be mined I guess, but with highstorms I think they'd all rather soulcast metal. The only place highstorms are not a problem is in shinovar but they don't like to mine so.... Soulcast metal.

Actually I think metal would be more of a rarity on Roshar unless it was soulcast. But I think Hoid has metals from Scadrial.

I wouldn't be surprised if Scadrial and threnody are in the same system. Brandon originally wrote mistborn as silver and pewter being pared before someone told him it's supposed to be tin. He really liked the idea of silvereyes. Wouldn't be surprised if he recycled silver in threnody as the method for fighting shades. but at the same time, threnody seems to maybe be related to the shard that just wants to survive. So it could be in an entirely different system. It could be possible that shades are different than what kelsier became. I mean the Ire device didn't work on him, and he didn't react to fire or blood the same as a shade. I think kelsier became something new, but relatable to a shade. I bet shades are cognitive beings, but without the soul attached still. Maybe as a result of the cognitive realm reacting differently on threnody. I mean Shardsmar and where Kelsier is are similar, but also pretty different. I mean Shardsmar is full of Soren and things are represented as little beads, where as on Scadrial there are no Spren and things are represented as mist instead. The cognitive realms are probably different on every planet.

Metal glows in the cognitive realm of Scadrial, and so do people. They're both invested, just like ruin couldn't manipulate or destroy people directly, he couldn't see or influence metal. They are described by kelsier as being the same thing, but really they are just heavily invested.

I agree with you The Ja. Remember the newspaper story about the ghastly gondola? The person describes wiping the metals as wiping away the power of the metals, but not actually wiping away the metals themselves. The metal isn't the source of the power, but rather the metals are invested because of ruin and preservations influence on the world.

I think it's the unkeyed metal mind, combined with tapping investiture. Example: you store identity and store something like health. This allows any gold ferring to tap the unkeyed health, but not for someone who can't already tap health. Now however you use necrosil for investiture which is raw power. This acts like a money changer in normal feruchemy. Let's say you store weight in combination with investiture. You actually store investiture, so you don't really have any weight stored now, but let's say you go to tap health. Now you can draw the extra reserve of investiture for extra health instead. This means you turned weight into health with investiture being the money changer. Now you use unkeyed nicrosilminds that would allow anyone to use them, because investiture is raw power and doesn't need specific spiritual keys to use. This allows anyone to store and tap any unkeyed Metalmind so long as they are tapping and storing the raw investiture used in the money changing process. I'm pretty sure the medallions also work in a way where you store your weight with investiture, then tap the investiture for heat.

Maybe maybe not. Let's look at this realmatically: Do aons have power because of the shape of the land? Or because of the spiritual connection the people have with the land? The steel alphabet has a very strong connection to the people, and then land of Scadrial is pretty fluid in shape though out the books.

Awesome! Completed that list. I wonder if the steel language version of "ire" is the "hacking" Brandon talked about to make Elantrians Magic work on another planet

Ok part 1 "Empire" is the steel alphabet letter/symbol for melatium (aka 11th metal) Part 2 "well" unknown Part 3 "spirit" is the steel alphabet letter/symbol for Lerasium Part 4 "journey" is the steel alphabet letter/symbol for atium Part 5 "ire" is the steel alphabet letter/symbol for the stylized Aon IRE Part 6 "hero" unknown

I didn't even consider the cognitive aspect of healing applying. Nice job.

Ok nice reasoning Orlion. After book Elantris Ok I just was looking through ars ancarnums and I found something out! The metallic symbol on part 5 "IRE" is a metallic variant on the aon "ire" found in the Elantris ars ancarnum and means time/age (Diren). None of the other metallic symbols from the headers match any aons though...

Did not the book specifically have a newspaper add have a thing about harmonium? I think that was there to get us thinking about what could have replaced ruin and preservations metals. I think the metal is physical investiture of harmony. Think about it. It powers allomancy, but is also very destructive. Sounds like a perfect combination of preservation and ruin to me. Perhaps with the right chemical or magical process you could extract the two God metals from it. I bet Harmony saw the need to help the southern people power their metallic art fabrials, so he made it that his physical body of investiture condensates there. It's not feruchemical, Hemuralgic, or allomantic, but it does power allomancy based fabrial magics, and maybe recharge feruchemical and Hemuralgic ones. To me it just makes sense that Harmony's metal wouldn't be like atrium or lerasium. I mean, the two powers are opposite sides of the same coin. They probably wouldn't mix well. Represented by the explosive power.

Well I guess we know which ships have sailed haha

So I think it's safe to assume the group was made up of Elantrians. My question is how they were able to bring what seemed a section of the city of Elantris with them. It also seemed that this was before the events of the Elantris book, or very far after. How did they make their magic work? And we're they purely in the cognitive realm? It seems like all world hoppers are in the cognitive realm and living on the inverted bodies of water made land. They seemed to need glowing liquid to survive. Was this a magic potion? Or even maybe liquid investiture from a shardpool? Lets hear your thoughts... PS- did anyone else notice that the allomancy symbols from the headings of the "Parts" we're new? I wonder what those were....

I thought it was marsh too. I read the whole bands of mourning and just assumed marsh was acting for harmony and saving the people to the south. I thought this right up until the last sequence of the epilogue and then reading secret history. Now I'm not sure what to think. Is it marsh, is it spook, is it kelsier? What if it's not that simple. part of me thinks that all three are alive. With spook and kelsier doing cosmere stuff trying to figure out what they can.

But powering the allomancy of the earring would essentially be like recharging the spike wouldn't it?

Really? Could you post your source for that? Not that I don't want you to support my claim or that I doubt you, I would just like to see proof for my own sake.

It's not a power, it's an effect. So in the case of Wax, he could have a steel bubble or it could just refer to his ability to control his pushes to a greater degree by changing his weight. Miles other than being a compounder also couldn't feel pain Wayne is able to do some cool things but I doubt know if I've seen this effect. Maybe it's related to his ability with disguises maybe not Think of TLR or Marsh who essentially have all the combinations, they both became reclusive and non caring in a way. Thoughts?

Sorry to poke holes, but couldn't Harmony just "recharge" the earring so to speak? I mean the Lord Ruler was able to use the well of Ascension to make himself OP in allomancy, and Harmony has already changed the way allomancy works on Scadrial, so wouldn't it make sense that with Ruin he could recharge the Hemuralgic spike so that its decay was minimal? As another side note, could it be possible that the spike had been recharged with another kill? Find a seeker who is born and about to die due to complications and have a Kandra or Marsh use the earring to recharge the spike?