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According to tracking, mine should be here today, although I have my doubts about Its accuracy.

My curiosity is where Ashyn and Braize woulf fall on that map of Shadesmar that we got from TWoK. Presumably they are adjacent to Roshar, as they share the same system. I could see an argument wherein Braize might not have a huge representation on the Cognitive Realm, as it is populated wholly by Splinters, but Ashyn as a populated world should be nearby, in my mind. I've always rather thought it might be the Expanse of the Broken Skies, as it has the floating cities on it, which should probably do something quite odd in Shadesmar. I'm pretty sure that Vibrance corresponds to Nalthis and Vapors corresponds to Scadrial though. The names just make too much sense to me.

One point of information on the Fen page is that we don't know the specific region or culture that speaks Fen, so that's why its on its own page. If it did, Fen would probably redirect there, as that's our current standard. If that's something people are interested in changing, we can talk about it. I too wonder if there is sufficient information to create pages that are just languages.

I do not believe that we've had any sort of confirmation that Adonalsium had a Vessel, unless it slipped by me, which is possible. Do you recall where you saw that fact?

To clarify, Shadesmar is just a name for the Cognitive Realm, the two are synonymous.

I really think that it's mostly him wanting us to not know much about the Truthwatchers. He has been similarly tight-lipped on Renarin as well.

So, I've made the infobox and gotten it approved by the wiki team. I'm in the process of adding it to the system pages now. Skaa, I also spoke to the others on the wiki staff, and we've decided we're going with consistency and naming all the systems by the same convention. Mashe now is a redirect to Selish System.

Just saw this on reddit, only to see that it's here as well. Excellent work, I thoroughly enjoyed it!

Birthright is dead for all intents and purposes. There's a chance it might be revived if the movie does well or something similar, but currently it's not set to come out at all.

I'm of the opinion that we default the system name to the names as given in Arcanum Unbounded. Until we hear further, I'm going to consider Greater Roshar as a dead term and default to the Rosharan system for the name until we hear different. Printed canon takes precedence over interview questions unless Brandon is clarifying a mistake in the books. I don't want to name the systems after the stars, especially considering we don't have names for any of the stars aside from Mashe. I agree that we should have a system infobox, I can throw one together pretty quickly by stealing from Joe's wikicode. xD

Not until it arrives, I think. I just appreciate a number at all though. I waited too long to order Elantris last year and almost didn't end up with a copy.

Hmm, I'm not sure about the template thing. I'd default to organization primarily as well. That's more of an @Joe ST question. The redirects are made, although I added a disambiguation page so people who are searching the term sand master(s) can decide whether they are looking for Diem or Sand mastery.

Brandon just posted a really cool breakdown of immortality in the cosmere on reddit. The most interesting bit of it for me is this though:

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Some of these blend together--the Heralds, for example, are technically a variety of cognitive shadow.

Heralds are a type of Cognitive shadow. This makes intuitive sense to me, as they're killed repeatedly so there must be some method by which they continue to live, but I thought it was very interesting.

Agreed, I can do that redirect on Sand master if you want me to do so. Is there any content from the Sand master page worth keeping currently, in your opinion?

I think that's an excellent point. If this view is truly from Silverlight, it must have at least some component in the Physical Realm. (Although the idea of a city that is populated in both the Physical Realm and the Cognitive Realm is kind of fun.) It could still be some sort of space ship or station, but upon closer review of the image itself, it really does appear to be an ancient mural of some sort, with cracks in the paint and whatnot, which implies to me that this is a reproduction from an actual building, much like many of the Stormlight endpapers.

Does the graphic novel actually use the term Sand Profession? I've read the prose version more often and they just refer to the profession of sand masters as the Diem. My initial reaction is to make the page "Sand master" cover the manifestation of Investiture itself, the ribbons of sand, overmastery, slatrification, and so on, and have the Diem page describe both the physical building and the organization itself, as well as the stuff that relates it to the other profession (the content that you've referred to as the sand profession). Because there aren't really any sand masters outside of the Diem, there's not much need to make any distinction between the Profession and the organization, as they are essentially one and the same.

That really is a lovely looking book. Will look nice next to Elantris.

Unfortunately you're not going to find a working cite. Tor has the rights to it now, as part of Arcanum Unbounded. It's no longer sold on its own because Tor bought the rights to the whole collection. So for the foreseeable future, you can't buy just Secret History anymore. I'm not sure what your opinion on Stormlight or the rest of the cosmere is, but if you have an interest in either, I'd recommend Arcanum Unbounded. It's an excellent book.

4 hours ago, Djarskublar said:

I agree that she isn't Vivenna, I was just clarifying that a non-Rosharan could become a Surgebinder. Possibly just as easily as anyone else in planet, maybe with some extra work involved.

Than we are in exact agreement on these matters.

41 minutes ago, tobar14 said:

Dude, did you read the OP? There were 5 options, only one of which said there "might" be a worldhopper. The purpose of the post was to point out that this game has been seen elsewhere and it's not from Roshar.

Also, apologizing for being a buzzkill is "expletive deleted". Be a buzzkill and own up to it, or don't be a buzzkill and have fun.

Be a little more rigorous with reading the OP.

I am responding to one specific line of discussion more than I am the OP (which is intended to be a jumping off point for discussion), which is that the Stump is a worldhopper, particularly the idea that she is Vivenna. I do think my response makes my stance quite clear on the other ideas offered. I don't believe that there's reason to think that because painted pebbles are present that it is because of some sort of cross-planet knowledge.

I would like to apologize if I've been too animated or dismissive in my posts in this topic. That's why I spoke to Chaos and had him take a look at the topic, to get an outsider's opinion. He thinks, and I agree, that I came off a little too strongly. Theorizing that characters are worldhoppers based on small pieces of evidence is one of my pet peeves, and I think I let it show a bit. I do want to say that I've been wrong before, and I'll surely be wrong again before the cosmere is finished. It is entirely possible that there is more to this game than meets the eye. There is no part of me that wants to stifle new ideas or discussion, I simply intended to add my perspective and I think I overdid it in this case. My apologies.

I have a lot of questions about how a Herald could go to a gas giant though. There's not even a solid surface on a gas giant. I don't see how that would work at all. In addition to that, Kalak's thoughts in the prelude suggests a singular place all the Heralds go to, rather than an individual world.

I have no doubt that a Scadrian, or anyone from any world for that matter, could become a Surgebinder. I'm saying that I think it would take some serious planning on their part to get it done, similar to the preparation required to use AonDor on another planet. I've seen the quote you mentioned before, and like I said, the process outlined there requires a lot of preparation and work (and I think might be overly complicated, I'm virtually certain that there are simpler ways to become a Surgebinder than the one outlined in the quote).

I don't think its just as easy as someone from another planet simply acting in accordance with the spren's ideals. As Djarskublar so rightly mentioned, one of the reasons Hemalurgy is notable because it can be used by anyone, anywhere in the cosmere. This indicates that universal ability access to a magic system is uncommon. Is it possible that any worldhopper can stroll over to Roshar, act honorable and pick up a spren? Absolutely! I think that Surgebinding is a system that very possibly is open to use by people from other planets. Is this definitely the case? Absolutely not. It's possible that some preexisting connection to Honor or Cultivation is required as well. We don't know.

I would like to point out though, that in the unlikely circumstance that a spren was attempting to bond with Vivenna, the situation would likely be further complicated by the fact that she probably has at least some additional Breath on her (which may not necessarily be evident, see Hoid's use of perfect pitch with no mention of odd colors on Kaladin's part). Investiture interferes with Investiture. That is just one more reason that Vivenna would be unlikely to bond with a spren by accident. If she were to want to become a Surgebinder for some reason, she would not be displaying the confusion that the Stump shows upon being confronted with her Radiant abilities. Lets move past this argument for a moment though, because we could go round and round on it and I think we are neglecting a larger issue.

We have a tendency here to jump at shadows a lot of times. This reminds me a lot of when it came out that the constellations on Sel are in the form of Aons. Many people jumped at that, assuming that this had some deep magical implications, when in reality it was just as simple as people looking at the stars and correlating them to something important within their culture. Lets take a step back from the question about the possibility of a Nalthian bonding a spren and look at the evidence. I think we should approach this really rationally, which some people here have already started doing. What indicates that the Stump is Vivenna? Does she behave or speak similarly? Is she described similarly? Does she have any indication of a mysterious past? Any hints at her being royalty, perhaps a mention of her hair color changing? As far as I recall from my reading there is none of that, although I welcome someone to present any evidence. Taking another step back, what evidence is there that the Stump is from Nalthis? The single piece of evidence that has been presented is the use by children at her orphanage of painted stones in playing games.This is not a bad hint, Brandon often drops small hints, but typically there is more evidence once you begin to dig into its implications. Does the Stump even seem like a person that would teach children a game? Is there anything else that even hints remotely at a Nalthis connection? Not from anything that I saw, (although again, I welcome further evidence). So the question becomes, what is likely? Is it likely that the Stump is secretly a Nalthian princess, teaching children games from her home planet that accidentally bonds with a spren? Or is Lift's explanation more likely?

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Lift grunted, climbing from her spot and strolling over to him. Some of the kids from before had left their pebbles, with painted colors that were rubbing off . A poor kid’s imitation of glass marbles. Lift kicked at them

I apologize if I come across as a buzzkill, but the answer needn't be a worldhopper with a secret identity every time something that seems odd an coincidental. I think we need to be more rigorous in our theorizing. Sometimes a pebble is just a pebble.

I don't think you can simply assert that. Unless you have a quote for me that says otherwise, I don't think there's any reason to believe that it could just happen. I'm open to the possibility that it could happen to anyone, but I need evidence.

Or painted pebbles are just a common game pieces, especially when you are an orphan that cannot afford real marbles. I don't think there is any evidence that the Stump is Vivenna aside from this one random thing. I don't think a Nalthian could even become a Radiant without some serious finagling on their part, which belies the Stump's confusion about what is going on with her.

One of the things Brandon's highlighted in discussions about Ascension is just how incredibly rare its occurrence is. For me, it stretches the bounds of plausibility to have one person Ascend to become a Shard, give up that Shard willingly, repair a different Shard, and then Ascend again. It seems needlessly complicated to me. I think we might be creating complex explanations to cover a simple error. Brandon's misspoken before, Autonomy is female, and I think she always has been.

I also don't see why the Set's mathematical nature need have anything at all to do with Dominion. There are no parallels to this in Elantris.