Windrunner

One of the things that I've been wondering since I found out that Marsh was now immortal, thanks to the same trick the Lord Ruler used, is how? As I understand it, the Lord Ruler would fill an atiummind with youth, then burn it with Allomancy creating a new metal that gave him a larger amount of youth than he put in. Then he would store all the new age again and live off of that. So in order for Marsh to perform the same trick he would have to be able to both burn and store Atium. My question is why would Marsh have a Hemalurgic spike to give him the ability to store age? The Lord Ruler certainly didn't give it to him because he wouldn't't want another immortal. Ruin planned on destroying the world, so he wouldn't have bothered giving Marsh the ability to store Atium if he just planned on killing him. So then, how did Marsh end up with the ability to store Atium?

The only possibility I have been able to come up with is that maybe Ruin gave it to Marsh as a sort of fail-safe. Ruin might have been worried that Vin would suceed in thwarting his plan for the apocalypse, so he wanted at least one immortal servant to help him in case he had to start again. Does anybody have any better ideas than this one, or maybe an explanation from Brandon? To me at least this idea seems a little weak so I would welcome any clarity.

Perhaps, since Shardpools are the Cognitive aspect of a Shard, Sazed hasn't held the power long enough for both his pools to manifest. Maybe as a Shard is molding one's mind to its intent, the pool gets larger.

I like this idea but one question. Where is it stated that the Shardpool is the cognitive aspect of a Shard? I've seen this said around the forums but I've never seen a quote that says that explicitly. I'm definitely no expert but I don't see how the mind that controls the Shard has the kind of power that is held in the Well of Ascension, also isn't Leras's cognitive aspect nearly gone, expended to imprison Ati's cognitive aspect? I feel like I've missed a step here so if I didn't see where this was discussed earlier, then I'm sorry.

I personally think it is a good deal (but then again I paid money for the limited edition Tables of Allomantic Metals...) but these dudes are great fun. I feel really good by helping support them. There's also art from Isaac (I believe the spiffy new Feruchemical table will be included, which is a bit different from the Allomantic variety in shape) and a lot from Inkthinker, too.

Yeah, the more I think about it the more I want this game. I saw the drawing of Kelsier fighting that Inquisitor and there are no words to describe how cool that looked! I wish I had enough talent to make a picture like that. I can still get the hardcover when it comes out, even though I didn't preorder it, right? Anyway if I had been a Sanderson fan back when they still sold the limited edition Table of Allomantic Metals then I would have bought one too.

Getting back on the topic of Spiritual Feruchemical powers, I wonder if you stored enough connection, could you take over a human without any Hemalurgic spikes in them? I bet you could, and think about a Feruchemist taking control of multiple other Metalborn. He could end up with more power then the Lord Ruler and his group of Inquisitors because there would be no Hemalurgic Decay to weaken their powers. Also, how epic would emotion storing be? I imagine it would work similar to a tinmind, with separate emotions being stored in individual metalminds. You could be storing fear while tapping courage!

Later, I asked them what one Feruchemical power was, and they said "connection". They didn't elaborate, nor did they tell us what metal it was. They did say this was not the most mind-blowing ability.

It's kind of ridiculous how excited I am that all the Feruchemical powers will soon be revealed! Especially since I didn't originally think I would like Mistborn. The fact that this ability isn't the most awesome of the remaining Feruchemical powers is intriguing. I wonder if the emotion storing that Brandon was a possibility would fit under the Spiritual category?

Also is there a way to get a copy of this e-book without buying the RPG? I don't have the money or the inclination to buy the full game but I am also so bummed I'm missing the Kelsier short story and the new content.

I've heard a pretty good theory on this but I can't remember where it was or who proposed it. Some people believe that Yelig-nar and the other two Unmade, Re-Shephir the Midnight Mother and Dai-Gonarthis, are the Voidbringer counterparts to the Heralds. Persumably there are 7 more Unmade that have not yet been mentioned.

I always wondered why Alendi could sense the pulsings of the Well of Ascension. As an Allomancer who had his powers brought out only by the mists he should have been weaker then the Allomancers of the Final Empire. Yet only Vin with a Hemalurgic spike to give her increased bronze ability could sense the Well refilling in her day, while the regular Seekers couldn't. It just never added up for me.

Very true, while I had the idea of the devotion of the Elantrians being the reason they were chosen by the Shaod on my own, Aashyma posted it first. I wasn't trying to steal credit from you I just don't know how to link to specific posts and I was trying to get the rest of my ideas down quickly before they slipped away. Sorry

In Brandon's recent interview on Readit he stated this

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]2) One of the 'basics' of the magic in all of the worlds is that the energy of Shards can fuel all kinds of interactions, not just interactions based on their personality/role. I did this because otherwise, the Magics would all be extremely limited.

The 'role' of the Shard has to do with the WAY the magic is obtained, not what it can do.

I found this really interesting because it clearly defines what the Intent of a Shard does to affect the magic. It also got me thinking that we could use this to help figure out either

A. If we knew the Intent of the shard we could figure out how the magic is acquired

B. If we knew the how the magic powered by a Shard is acquirred we could figure out the Intent of said Shard

I'm gonna start with the shards where we already knew both

Preservation-Accesing power from the shard is what allows you to "Preserve" you're own strength.

Ruin-By "Ruining" (killing) someone you gain their power.

Endowment- Everyone is "Endowed" with a breath when they are born

Honor-By acting "Honorably" and following oaths you attract honorspren so you can Surgebind.

Ok now I get into speculation

Odium- Hateful acts allow you to get power, perhaps attracting Odiumspren

Aona's shard is almost 100% confirmed to be Devotion. It makes me think that all the Elantrians were chosed by the Shaod because of their "Devotion" to something. All the Elantrians we me thad some sort of vocation, something they loved.

Skai- Unity makes a lot of sense here. Dilaf got his power to negate Aons from the deaths of 50 men, possibly combining their piece of Skai with his like in Hemalurgy

Cultivation-her intent makes me think that we will find that the users of her magic are the farmers in Shinovar, the place with the most "Cultivation", going on.

Yeah you're right about the spoilers. I think your idea about Skai is a good one except I think that his (Skai is a guy right?) shard is Unity. Which makes a lot of sense about how Fjorden is unifying the whole world into one country, and how Shu-Korath, Shu-Dereth, and Shu-Keseg all preach unity.

Ok I think I'll break this down for clarity.

Well, he was tired. Hurt (the famous scars). Even if he had atium, he was at a disadvantage. There's no point in seeing the future if you're surrounded and have no strength left. I think he had to sneak out, at the very best. If there had been an open confrontation, and he had won, he wouldn't have been the only to escape. So, yes, probably he used some atium to see what the guards were going to do. Would have been foolish not to. But I don't think a prisoner, in a prisoner's conditions, would be able to escape from the Pits burning only atium.

It would have been very difficult. Being a Lerasium-enhanced Mistborn would have helped.

I don't really understand this. As you mentioned before there was no metals available to prisoners at the Pits so I don't understand how being a Lerasium Mistborn would help, regardless of how powerful Kelsier is. Yes his atium would be more powerful but if you don't think he could get out of the Pits with just Atium I don't see how being a Lerasium Mistborn would solve the problem when he doesn't have any other metals.

And... coincidentally? I don't know. Kandra live there, and kandra are from Preservation. Nothing is coincidential.

This is true, however Preservation's mind had long been sacrificed to imprison Ruin by the time Rashek had created kandra at the Well of Ascension. I suppose he could have led them to it as this mist spirit but I find this unlikely. In addition to that for most of the history of the Final Empire no kandra could leave the Homeland except on contract. Another point is that if somehow the kandra had a bead of Lerasium do you think that they would leave it somewhere where a prisoner could find it? Considering the fanatical devotion that they showed guarding the Atium, I don't think that they would have left the a piece of the body of their god unguarded. Also in the Hero of Ages it states that all the tunnels between the Pits and the Homeland had been sealed.

And... well, yes, Vin never actually mentions how strong Kelsier is for a Mistborn, but... Vin worships Kelsier. Not as a deity, but as a teacher. And we do see Kelsier fighting against people from the Houses specialized in fighting Mistborns... and, well, I don't think the Houses have them just for decoration, and he really does it, whilst Vin struggles against Zane in book two.

I would like to point out that Zane was a Hemalurgist. He had a steel spike, allowing him to Steelpush nearly twice as hard a a normal Mistborn. Also in the attack on Cett's keep Vin meets 50 hazekillers (WoA pg. 532 paperback) and she and Zane defeated them easily while Kelsier struggled to defeat eight of them in the first book.

I'm afraid that I find this theory, at best, unlikely. There are entirely too many maybes and what-ifs in it for me, and I don't find any of the original evidence for there being a bead at the Pits compelling. And if Brandon himself has stated that Kelsier snapped in the spoilers portion of the annotations then I don't think he's lying. When there's any major spoilers for future novels in the annotations he either gets evasive or comes out and says that he doesn't want to talk about it so I'd say his statement is pretty definitive.

And then, nobody knows exactly how, he escapes from the Pits. It makes sense, he discovers he's a Mistborn.

Oh, so? So they sell metal vials to the prisoners of Hathsin?

I think there might be a Lerasium bead there.

Now, you guys know a lot of things Brandon has said in a lot of places, so you might be able to confirm it or not...

I always just assumed that he used some of the Atium at the Pits to fight the relatively small garrison there. I think that with enough Atium he would have had no trouble escaping. (Sorry CrazyRioter you posted while I was typing so I didn't mean to say the same thing) Personally I find it difficult to believe that there was a bead of Lerasium at the Pits that Kelsier coincidentally found. In addition to that, Vin never mentions how unusually strong Kelsier is for a Mistborn, while she mentions the strength of Elend's Allomancy several times in the text. I imagine that the short story by Brandon about Kelsier's escape from the Pits and subsequent training by Gemmel that is in the new Mistborn RPG might make things clearer.

I've got a question about the Lord Ruler. Did he get Allomancy from a Lerasium bead like the rest of the original nine Allomancers, or was it a result of taking the power at the Well of Ascension for himself? I always thought his Allomancy came from the Well and there were only ever ten beads of Lerasium but the existence of another bead throws all that into question.

Hey again everyone, sorry for getting so far behind on my responses. I didn't mean to be rude. I was on a sort of mini-vacation and there was no time for the computer. Adrienne I agree that I'll be reading Alloy of Law before Inheritance, I was so disappointed when book three was split! I'm still working my way through WoT and I've just started on the Dragon Reborn. So far I've yet to get into it as much as I did for the Way of Kings but I'm hopeful that I will become more immersed the farther I go. Thanks to everyone for your warm welcomes I feel at home already!

Thanks Joe ST and Adrienne, some of my favorite books are the Harry Potter series, the Shadowmarch books by Tad Williams (although I never got around to getting the last one read), the Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini, and the Belgariad and the Mallorean by David Eddings. As is fairly obvious my favorite books are in the fantasy genre. What are your other favorite books?

Hey everybody I recently saw your site while searching Brandon Sanderson fansites and when I saw what a great community you all had here I couldn't resist joining. My name is David and I recently became a Sanderson fan when I picked up The Way of Kings at my library because it was the biggest book I could find. I couldn't put it down and within a few weeks I'd read every published book of his except his two Wheel of Time ones. I'm looking forward to making some new friends with you all and discussing the cosmere!