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I imagine it will get a lot of technical stuff that the characters of stormlight are aware of, but not the readers. This is things like: - Information on spren (more about radiant spren for orders we haven't seen much as well as every orders plate spren) - Outline of all oaths up to 4th level (I imagine this will be the most "spoiler-y" info we'll get) - Information on forms of power (Details about the few fused we haven't seen yet and maybe a couple of regal forms) We could get stuff on enlightened spren or the unmade but I'm not expecting too much. I just want to know more about the fish in the purelake

Not to answer my own question but I've been thinking about it the last couple days. I wonder if Szeth viewed killing Taravangian as protecting Dalinar? He was tasked to be Dalinar's bodyguard. Unfortunately, there's not a ton to go on to determine his motive. He had warned Dalinar that Taravangian was dangerous and his warning was disregarded. It's an interesting dilemma to give a skybreaker two conflicting orders (protect Dalinar and don't kill Taravangian). I hope we get more insight into this in stormlight 5.

We haven't really seen this kind of link between fused and forms of power. Fused are much closer to radiants than regals. It seems backward, I know, but it makes sense, radiants and fused are surgebinders, regals seem to be their own thing. For example, there isn't a fused that uses adhesion (as it isn't a "true surge") yet envoy form clearly uses connection like we've seen dalinar use. And I've tried matching up regals to surges; generally, it doesn't work (although, there are similarities to voidbinding which could be coincidence or could mean I'm wrong in this assumption). I see it as fused are a corruption of honor's magic system and regals as a corruption of cultivation's magic system. Despite being on the same side of the war the two are different magic systems.

Obviously, spoilers for RoW. When Szeth kills Taravangian isn't that breaking his oath to follow Dalinar? Because Dalinar ordered that Taravangian not be executed. So how is this not a breaking of his oaths? I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline because it's been a bit but it seems that Skybreakers exercise more agency as they progress in their oaths so was going against Dalinar's orders okay because he was getting close to his fourth ideal? I could buy that, but I wanted to see if there were any other explanations.

This was taken from the "make your own parshenid forms" thread.

Voidbinding is a big old question mark and I thought I'd try and share a bit of a unique view on it. I feel like it goes without saying that I'll be making a decent amount of assumptions based on what little information we have. The goal of this post is not to solve all of voidbinding (such as how the power is accessed); we don't have nearly enough information to do so. Rather, the goal is to figure out what powers a voidbinder might have rather than all the mechanics. In this theory, I purposely tried to avoid relating these powers to the surges, as it's a popular theory linking voidbinding to surgebinding (potentially as a corrupting of surgebinding). However, I wanted to view voidbinding as a different magic system from surgebinding. I predict it might be more similar to feruchemy and allomancy. They have similar focus (metals) and a few overlapping powers but are for the most part different from each other. This brings me to my first and biggest assumption: voidbinding originates with the unmade. My second assumption: renarin is at least partially voidbinding as his unique ability is to see the future. This easily matches up with one of the unmade, Moelach, who grants vision of the future. Following this line of assumptions, we can look to the unmade to get an idea of what each level of voidbinding is. Most likely, the powers will be similar but more limited. Whether they do this through a connection with the unmade or a spren with similar powers isn't the focus of this theory. Ashertam, the heart of the revel - I would compare this power to Soother's as he lowers people's inhibitions and allows their base desires to take over. Ba-Ado-Mishram, giver of forms - I imagine that they would have similar connection powers to bondsmiths. Alternatively, they could just grant others access to investiture. Chemoarish, the dustmother - we don't have enough information about this unmade to guess their powers Dai-Gonarthis, the black fisher - also not enough information Moelach - probably the one we can most confidently say. Binders of this "void" have the ability to see visions of the future. Nergaul, the thrill - this one would likely be more similar to rioting as they have the ability to enflame emotions. Whether this applies to all emotions or just anger remains to be seen. Re-Shephir, the midnight mother - voidbinders of this void would be similar to midnight essence aetherbound and would be able to summon minions. Sja-nat, taker of secrets - I'm not sure how corrupting spren would work on a smaller scale. Yelig-nar, blightwind - I could see this character being an exception (Brandon says "not always" which to me means that 1 or 2 unmade maybe don't correlate to voidbinding). I could see there not being a voidbinding equivalent to this unmade although maybe it's just the ability to access one surge at a time. A noticeable hole with this theory is that going off of the nine unmade means we're missing one level of voidbinding. Regardless, I'm interested to hear other's thoughts on the subject.

In a very cool scene in RoW Venli uses cohesion to speak to the stones. For me, I've always wondered how this is possible. Is this just a feature of the surge of cohesion? Could a stoneward talk to the stones? While that doesn't seem impossible, I wonder if it might be in part because of her regal form. Envoy form grants Venli the ability to speak and understand any language (probably through the manipulation of Connection). Could this connection manipulation with the addition of cohesion be what allows her to speak with the stones? I'm of the opinion that this explanation makes sense but I have to acknowledge it isn't full proof. With the existence of the dawnsingers, this could just be a feature any listener with the surge of cohesion could do. But still, I feel like having both a regal form and radiant bond has to have some kind of interaction (potentially a Resonance). Although, I guess that interaction could just be the ability to use voidlight to fuel surges I'm curious to hear other's thoughts.

That's the only confirmed feruchemical connection use but I'm fairly certain whatever Wax's grandmother was doing in the Village was a manipulation of connection in Shadows of Self. Some book quotes While it's never directly stated the vividness of these memories seems to be supernatural (as evident in Wax's suspicion of the tea) and connection would be a decent explanation. However, it's unclear what exactly is happening here, mechanically speaking. It seems Wax's connection to the village or his past is being strengthened. But I don't think that's likely as he isn't the one tapping connection. Instead, I think Wax's grandmother is probably tapping connection to the village and to Wax at the same time and acting as a medium between the two. There's also whatever Iron Eyes was doing at the end of The Lost Metal but I don't have the book on hand to pull quotes (but the coppermind does list this as one of his abilities https://coppermind.net/wiki/Marsh). Essentially, Iron Eyes passes by people unnoticed and claims that it's possible because of emotional allomancy which Wax doesn't believe. This points to it being some other power, potentially storing connection to prevent people from forming connections with him. This use of f duralumin is much more speculative. To me, this is what "basic" feruchemy connection looks like. When tapping it can grant vivid memories (at least in one instance) and storing allows you to blend in better. I don't think the full-on transformations being proposed here are impossible but they would likely require a few other feruchemical powers to achieve (like being able to store identity).

That makes sense. And that's crazy there's a WoB that perfectly answers my question. Shows I should have just done my own research. Thanks,

Just as a fun thought experiment, how would scadrial be different if Ruin was the "main shard" and not preservation. In this version, I could see Ruin realizing that Preservation is trying to trap him and switching spots somehow at the last minute. Now preservation is the one trapped and is doing all they can to prevent the absolute destruction of the world. Ruin can do anything they want besides that. While this thought experiment could go anywhere I feel it's safe to say that hemalurgy would be the main magic system of this world. It wouldn't have the stigma it currently has and would be viewed as absolutely necessary for survival. Not only that, but the world would be a lot less hospitable. I'm imagining stepping outside of civilization is practically a death sentence. I'm curious to hear what other people think this world would be like. Would feruchemy still exist and if so how? What about kandra and other hemalurgic constructs? Are they naturally occurring or is the knowledge of how to create them more widely known? What about allomancers and mistborn? Are they still around just a lot rarer?

My understanding is that atium works like the water cycle where used atium will return to the spiritual realm before returning to the pits (before they were destroyed). Essentially this means there is an unlimited amount of atium over a long period of time. However, lerasium seems to be much more finite with several beads being created at the lord ruler's ascension (if I remember right). After that, no more beads appear to be formed. Why is that? My understanding is that both metals form around their perpendicularity as investiture leaks out. So why isn't there more lerasium? Did preservation just want less mistborn? Were they spending all their energy holding back ruin so nothing could leak? Any insight would be appreciated.

This is something I've thought for a while; I'm just wondering if Brandon would be so specific to say that Ruin is its own entity and could be considered separate from Harmony. It would clear the most things up in my opinion. It would be Ruin acting to bring about Harmony's plan (perhaps against his will) and explain why Lessie blames Harmony even if the action was somehow involuntary. I think autonomy is another decent option. While it could be counter-intuitive to help Harmony this action did give her a new agent on Scadrial; however, I find it hard to believe that Lessie would still blame Harmony if Autonomy was the one truly responsible. There could be some deception and manipulation there, I suppose. It would also explain Tan and Bleeder's fixation on choice and autonomy. Either option feels easy to explain though; it makes me wonder why we don't have a definitive answer. Did Brandon just forget to tie up this loose end? Did he just want to add a bit of mystery to the story? Or is there something even bigger here that we won't get until a later era? (I personally doubt that last one and worry it may be the first reason)

I've added Lessie as an option. I guess I was biased there because I've always focused on Bloody Tan and how weird he is. I'll admit I'd be disappointed if the answer was that simple.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds the mystery of Bloody infuriating. (How did we not get an answer in four books?!) To add to that, Brandon has a habit of RAFO-ing any question about him. To me this it seems like the question of Bloody Tan won't be answered anytime soon (Maybe in secret history 2 if we ever get it). The purpose of the thread isn't to discuss bloody Tan (although you're more than welcome to). Rather, this is just me being curious and wanting to gather some data. Above I've listed every possible explanation I could think of to explain how he was able to move Lessie like that (if I missed one let me know). I'm curious to see what explanation is the most popular amongst fans.

I think the implication would be that Shallan was actually the one who died, not her mom, but then overcome with grief Chana became Shallan and took her place. Is it a stretch? Probably, but it's a cool theory regardless.

Not a weapon but what about a shard trumpet? Or really any brass instrument should be possible.

It's sound like it won't be just anyone who can burn atium - only allomancers Which is kind of odd when god metals should be burnable by anyone, right? Or is that just lerasium?? Either way I could see this being a perception thing/propaganda. You don't want anyone burning atium so you spread the lie that only allomancers can burn atium. This would just mean the only people sent to the pits would be non-allomancers. This does run into the problem of mare and kelsier being sent to the pits together because mare was an allomancer but maybe she'll just get killed by the lord ruler before kelsier is captured? Alternatively, the phrase "any allomancer can use atium" doesn't necessarily mean that only allomancers can; there's still room for everyone to be able to burn it and both statements be true although that is a strange way to phrase it.

I think it's fair to say that for the films pure atium will have a similar power level to atium/electrum simply because the movie is meant to simplify things down because it can't go into detail as much as a book can. For that reason, I think that atium will serve the same narrative purpose as it does in the books - a practical instant win unless your opponent also has atium. Giving this power to everyone simply means that there are more sources of danger beyond inquisitors and the occasional mistborn. I don't imagine this will directly change too much about book 1 but I think this would feed vin's paranoia in book 2 significantly as even a coinshot or a thug could be deadly with a little bit of atium assuming this change ripples out to the later books as well.

Had a fun concept for a lightweaver character and wanted to write out the start of their journey. I really enjoyed how this turned out and I might continue this story. I imagine the next "chapter" would have a time jump where he's gotten to Urithru and has some kind of confrontation there that progresses him to the third ideal. I feel like a discussion with Dalinar or Jasnah would make the most sense but part of me thinks Zahel could also be interesting. Who knows, I'm open to suggestions though.

How about a boring solution? What if it's just an iron spike filled with physical strength transferred into a sunheart. My reasoning is mostly the hemalurgy and koloss similarities mentioned before but also the fact that where charred are spiked (the chest) is presumably the same bind point for a physical spike. It's called "special investiture" just because the researchers don't want to tell Nomad what it actually is.

I was rereading Tress and the Emerald Sea and this section caught my eye. (Not really a spoiler in my opinion as I feel it doesn't give any plot stuff away but essentially there's a passage that implies awakening can give animals the ability to speak) This is interesting because it implies a side of awakening we haven't seen yet (I'm sure there's much more to this magic system we haven't seen yet). Anyway, I'm curious because it sparks new questions. Is this possible by giving a specific command (such as "speak" or "speak as though you were human") or could it be an effect of achieving a certain threshold of breaths like a heightening? Finally, if an animal can speak can they awaken? That last one is almost too ridiculous to believe but it sounds theoretically possible although I doubt they would be good at it unless they also get increased intelligence somehow. I would love to hear other thoughts on the subject.

Clearly Dalinar will die in SA5 and somehow become the figurehead of a new religion replacing Vorinism as the primary religion of Roshar.

It's always bothered me that silver doesn't have any allomantic affect considering how big a part it will play throughout the cosmere. While it won't ever happen I imagine it's effects would be like aluminum but much more destructive. A silver misting would most likely be a gnat. If aluminum gets rid of your metal reserves I imagine silver would have to be more destructive: potentially removing your ability to burn metal for a short period of time. Truly the most gnat of all gnats. Silver's alloy would be just a better leecher. Instead of removing metal reserves it would negate their ability to burn for a short period time. Given how powerful this could be I understand why this won't ever be a canon power. As for feruchemy and hemalurgy their effects could be anyone's guess.

So I was doing some research poking around the broadsheets and found this line that I'm surprised I haven't seen many people talking about. For context, this is the beginning line in a letter to Nicki Savage from her dead father. From the coppermind supposedly, this is a reference to undiscovered race on Scadrial called the "kalkis" a race of "metallic beings." https://coppermind.net/wiki/Kalkis There are three ways I think this reference could be interpreted. 1. Nonsense - Nicki's stories are somewhat embellished. I don't think this is likely considering the broadsheets have been used in the past to foreshadow future events (Nicki's previous story foreshadowed the southern scadrians). This is also the most boring explanation so I hope it isn't true. 2. Golems or constructs - while "beings of metal" can mean a lot of things to me this sounds like golems or similarly animated creatures. Whether they're mechanical or magical is impossible to say but it does sound fitting for the planet with a metal magic system. A large part of the planet was uninhabitable during the final empire, perhaps these were the lord ruler's attempt to create something that could live in those extreme conditions. But how could these be created using the metallic arts? Hemalurgy is probably the most likely as it's the one we know the least about but there is plenty of room to speculate. I feel it's safe to say that what metals these golems are made out of would affect their abilities (if any) 3. Kandras - some kandras use metal to craft their true bodies. Could this be a more warlike off shoot of kandra? Or is it some 4th option? What do you guys think?

The Sunlit man is titled after a legend of the "Sunlit Ones" repeatedly referenced throughout the book that goes like this: My question is simple, do people think this is fact or fiction? Personally, I want this to be true simply because it's the more interesting answer. Imagine how cool a civilization that could channel the sun's investiture would be. Additionally, Brandon seems to enjoy having the myths in his worlds be inspired by historical events (even if they're heavily distorted as I'm sure this one is). However, it could also just be a myth given that's how it's portrayed in the book. As I reread the book I didn't find a single hint of the Sunlit Ones: no silhouettes in the maelstrom or mention by the Night Brigade (I would love to be corrected about this). This means they're either well hidden or nonexistent. I doubt we'll ever see Canticle again (or at the very least for a very long time) so I wanted to see what everyone else thought. Fact or fiction?