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    Pondering other worlds, whether those be the distant worlds in our own universe, or the worlds we can enter through the stories of others.
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    Speaking of which, here are some worlds/stories that I like, in no particular pattern or order (though this is probably in need of some updating):
    The Cosmere
    Avatar: The Last Airbender
    The Legend of Zelda
    The Xenoblade Chronicles series
    Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, and adjacent books
    Project Hail Mary
    The Remembrance of Earth's Past
    Dune
    Interstellar
    Arrival
    Inception
    Tenet
    Princess Mononoke
    Castle in the Sky
    Fullmetal Alchemist
    Star Wars
    ...And probably a bunch of others I'm forgetting. This list is not comprehensive.

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  1. In the movie Avatar, Dr. Grace Augustine calls the moon Pandora "the most hostile environment known to man" or something along those lines.

    Likewise, in the Dune franchise (though it may just be in promotional stuff, I don't know if it's ever canonically said anywhere), Arrakis is called the most dangerous planet in the universe.

    And, I'm sitting here, like--

    Really?

    Really?

    I mean, yeah, both worlds are dangerous enough. Pandora has a toxic atmosphere to humans that they can't breath for more than a few seconds without serious problems. And it's biosphere is very deadly if you don't know what you're doing.

    But it has a scudding biosphere.

    Pandora is a paradise! Water, life, everywhere. As far as planets go that seems pretty good to me. There's an actual biological cycle there similar enough to Earth's that if you solve the atmosphere problem and the hungry animal problem you're basically good to go.

    And Arrakis--yes, it's a desert planet. But it actually has water. It's not 100% dry. An entire civilization has mastered living there, similar to how the Na'vi have on Pandora. They know the tricks. It's not easy, per se, but not totally impossible. There's life, too; and introduced life, at that. Arrakis's native wildlife (except the sandworms, obviously, but still) were all introduced from off-world--not only that, but it's earthlife. Life from our planet. If desert life from here can survive there without too much trouble? It can't be all that bad. As long as you stay away from the sandworms in the deep desert, and have the equipment and skill to find food and water, you'll be okay.

    (Of course, it could also be referring to the social and political danger, which makes sense, but...even so...)

    To both of these claims, I say, "ahem, Venus?" Our solar system's very own hell world. A planet with temperatures that can melt lead and pressures that could easily crush a car. And you still go on to say that Pandora is the most hostile environment, Dr. Augustine? Seriously?

    And that's not even the worst! What about all those hot jupiters? Massive gas giants that orbit so close to their stars that they have orbital periods of mere hours, flayed by constant radiation, with unimaginable temperatures and pressures? Where it rains literal diamonds in the lower atmosphere? And, there's no ground, so you'd just fall forever until one of the above killed you?

    I mean, if you gave a convict the choice between trying to survive on WASP-12 b or Arrakis as his punishment, I think he'd go with Arrakis.

    So yeah.

    Just keep in mind that you're probably already standing on the safest world for humankind right now. Every other planet you find is going to be worse in some way.

    But some planets, like Pandora and Arrakis, are a whole lot safer than others.

    ...

    This has been a random astronomy and sci-fi rant with The Bookwyrm.

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    2. The Bookwyrm

      The Bookwyrm

      But...like...my logic brain is...no. Wrong star, wrong size, wrong moon number.

      By that argument couldn't you say Caladan is Earth?

    3. The Bookwyrm

      The Bookwyrm

      Also it specifically says that the earthlife was introduced, as I said in the above SU.

    4. Thaidakar the Ghostblood

      Thaidakar the Ghostblood

      Ah, true.

      I looked it up and Earth in the Dune canon was destroyed by the time (spoilers) Leto Atreides II the younger was God-Emperor.

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