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- Daggon would be the obvious one with the storytelling, but his thoughts make it seem like a regular inhabitant of the Forests/Threnody. Or Hoid is method acting here, Wayne style. - That leaves the dangerous looking person in the corner from the intro - or the greasy drunk one from the outro, or am I missing anyone? As far as I can see everyone else who appears it's out of the question: - Chesterton and his gang obviously as well as Red and his bounty hunters aren't it and neither is Theopolis (on account of all of them dying for one). - Lamentation/Earnest doesn't really seem to fit. - Dob is out since he's been working at the waystop since forever. - And I think there aren't any other characters besides Silence, William Ann and Sebruki left.

Iirc it was described in one of the WAT chapters that he didn't care at all for the female singers in mateform, but only for Harvo, one of his (male) best friends and that made it awkward between them afterwards.

SigH language is an interesting concept

Yes, that was what I meant. Okay, so here's how I understand it so far: - Braize PR is barren with sharp rocks and windswept/stormy; and attracts investiture - Braize CR is just obsidian - Heralds, Fused etc. are bound to Braize and get teleported there (to the CR?) when their physical form on Roshar (Heralds: physical body formed from investiture; Fused: inhabited Singer body; Thunderclasts: body formed from rock; etc.) dies - During a desolation the herald/fused/etc. then gets teleported (not instantaneously, but with the speed depending on the amount of investiture they're made up of as I understand?) back to Roshar to form/inhabit a new physical body - repeat until the desolation ends when the heralds... decide that it's been enough fighting? (I'm also not entirely clear how it's decided when a herald's death means it's "permanent" until the next desolation and when it's "instant" rebirth)

Thank you for the relevant quote. What I'm not entirely clear about is whether Raboniel describes the PR or CR of Braize here (because I seem to remember there's no wind in Shadesmar (hence Mandras for sailing)). Also from Kaladin's vision or seems that the PR (I guess) surface of Braize is like the one described by Raboniel, so shouldn't the CR side be all beads (or something more fitting to Braize)? Getting even more sidetracked (and let me know if I should start a new post for that): how are the heralds (as well as fused, thunderclasts and spren and whatnot) travelling from Braize to Roshar? Are they walking/flying/sliding through CR and step through a perpendicularity or are they teleported or something similar?

Do we know in which physical forms the Fused and Heralds reside on Braize? So far I imagined it pretty much like spren in the PR on Roshar. Therefore it would also be impossible to extremely difficult to bring anything physical (like a Raysium knife, crystals etc.) or use it in the first place, right?

Not sure if I should better post that in a separate post because it's about TSA rather than Mistborn, but: What does that mean for Roshar with three shards?

Is the agelessness a breath/high investiture related thing though or is it a cognitive shadow thing? Because iirc ageless characters we know are: Have I forgotten any?

Bummer that The Emperor's Soul is not among the options as a separate entry (especially since Secret History and Edgedancer are there). While I love most of the Cosmere works The Stormlight Archive is my favourite series, but TES is a perfect story to me.

This is not a bug, but a suggestion for the forums to maybe avoid necro'ing a bit better, especially in the Q&A section: Would it be possible to highlight the posting dates of posts that are older than x months/years? Maybe format them red and bold or something?

Oh thank you, that was hidden a bit too well for me I only searched at the beginning of the book and in the app's TOC

As for the original question I'd say it depends on what kind of stories and settings you enjoy the most. I feel like there's many great every points into the Cosmere and so far most of the references for other books are written in a way that aren't really spoiling much of any given story. While some of the later books in some series (especially TLM, ROW and WAT) or the Secret Projects feature more Cosmere connections, mostly it's written so that they work without having read any other novel. When they reference other stories it's also usually obscure enough that it just hints at plot points in a way where you understand it if you know the story in question, but it's nebulous enough that it doesn't take anything away if you don't (if that makes sense). With that in mind, as mentioned earlier, for reading order there are a couple of viable options imo: taste based, publication history based, in-world chronologically based and probably others as well. In world chronology is broadly the same as publication history though with a few outliers. Publication history has the caveat that generally speaking the quality of the books improves with time, so if you go by that you'd start with the weaker ones (although that's probably subject for debate too). Taste based might give you small spoilers, though as I wrote earlier, imo nothing that destroys the enjoyment of other stories (with the asterisk of Mistborn: Secret History which I'd recommend only after Mistborn Eras 1 & 2). I myself started with Stormlight Archive 1-3, Edgedancer, Mistborn 1-6 and only then Elantris, Warbreaker and the short stories in Arcanum Unbounded and White Sand. And I enjoyed it very much, even on this"wrong" order These days when I recommend Cosmere books I try to see what the person's interests are and choose a corresponding book, because the whole Cosmere is quite daunting for many and most of the books or series can still be read quite standalone so far. To finish this up, I think there are many great entry points for many tastes and preferences: The Stormlight Archive: epic fantasy in a war-torn world of magical storms Mistborn Era 1: apocalyptic action fantasy about a group of magical thieves Elantris: magical mystery in and around a prison city Warbreaker: political fantasy in a city of living gods Mistborn Era 2: detective stories in a wild west/steampunk world The Emperor's Soul: chamber play about an imprisoned magical master forger receiving an unexpected job offer Tress Of The Emerald Sea: pirate fairy tale Yumi And The Nightmare Painter: romance about star crossed lovers with magical jobs Hope this helps you a bit and that you have a great time with the Cosmere.

Ah, that explains the missing TOC, I was wondering about that in the eBook

Agreed, at least for Stormlight you also get lots of interior art and so on; combine that with the general price hikes in basically everything and there we are... But look out for sales. Around black Friday for example lots of books were reduced, including Wind And Truth. I know that doesn't help right now, but stay on the lookout in the future and you might get lucky.

To be fair, the visuals, animation, story, voice acting and even the musical score for the most part are still top notch (maybe even above in case of the visuals). For me it's mainly the songs with lyrics that really destroy the immersion. And I'm not against that in general, even in Arcane itself they do it well sometimes (e.g. the dance scene in S2, or the boxing montage), but the frequency it happens in this season was too much and often quite ill fitting, sometimes even jarring, for me. It kinda feels like they desperately want to get as many contemporary songs in there that are or can be trending on Tiktok to go viral there. But who knows the real reasons behind it are. Anyways, I'm with you in that I enjoyed S1 more and if they'd do something like that for TSA it could be amazing. But let's see how the other rumoured LoL series by Fortiche may turn out and in the meantime continue fantasizing about all the great ways TSA could be done for the screen.

My guess is that they found most of them in the ruins of Narak/Stormseat

Fortiche anyone? Regarding visuals and animation Arcane is absolutely fantastic and a similar style would probably work very well for something like TSA. Though tbh with the music choices and amount of pop song/music videos in the second season I'm not so sure I want them anywhere near TSA or the Cosmere just thinking about Kal fighting on the Shattered Plains while some Imagining Dragons song plays gives me the shivers... and not the good kind

Iirc the revisions were done before our sitting the Cosmere TTRPG Kickstarter campaign. Here, I found the video, it was during the Kickstarter: Weekly Update

Interesting question. I don't have an answer for you but another question popped up in my mind when I read it: Can Kandra, Koloss and anyone else with more than two spikes (or whatever the number was that allowed to be taken control of by emotional Allomancy) shield themselves with aluminium against being controlled by emotional Allomancy? And would one have to coat the spikes themselves or the brain?

Don't be, they are personal opinions and tastes so they can be as rant-y as we like plus I'd argue that my initial post already is quite rant-heavy to start with I'm really enjoying this discussion As to your points: Era 1: What I meant by saying WoA feels like a typical second part of a trilogy to me is that it felt like it's there to set up the third book rather than tell it's own story whereas tFE feels more self-contained. You make good points regarding the love triangle, but to me it felt a bit too cliché and the important stuff (hemalurgy foreshadowing & allomantic nuance) would've worked without that. I do love Elantris, Warbreaker and especially The Emperor's Soul which are all less action heavy so it's not that I don't enjoy that (though even the two novels are quite a bit shorter than WoA IIRC). I think for me it's maybe more the contrast to the first book, which set up the series as more action focused whereas the other examples set the expectation for calmer books (though Warbreaker a bit less so with the Vasher intro). I admit that I only read very few of the annotations overall and I'd argue that a book should work on its own in the first place and give these kinds of information as a bonus; though I also do appreciate all of the annotations and WOBs for the added information and depth it gives us for the works. I enjoyed the trilogy as a whole and the points that I don't enjoy as much are complains at a high level to begin with Era 2: It's very fascinating to me that so many people were put off so much by AoL, but as you said it probably has a lot to do with when you read it and what you expect. Coming from the grand epic that is Era 1 the contrast might be quite jarring. I'm not sure when I read it for the first time (I know I started with The Stormlight Archive 1-3, then Mistborn Era 1, but I'm honestly not sure anymore if I read Era 2 right then or after Elantris and Warbreaker), but I really enjoyed it being short and somewhat goofy and obviously cliché, but in a deliberate way. I'm absolutely with you @Treamayne that the Cosmere/worldhopper parts in tLM felt very blunt and fan-service-y in a bad way, especially compared to tSA or TotES. And I think it's somewhat unfortunate, because one of the appeals of the Cosmere stories is that there's much interconnectivity that can heighten the enjoyment if you know the works in question, but isn't required and therefore doesn't impair said enjoyment of a story on its own. I love that you say that. When I recently talked about the topic with a friend, this was one of the points I suggested could be an argument for the length of the books and how I could totally understand it since it's something I myself have wished for in fantasy worlds I enjoyed immensely No pressure but oh yes, definitely do that, I think you won't be disappointed

Let's start with a short and probably slightly controversial statement to get a discussion going and dive a bit more into the details afterwards: I feel like Sanderson in the Mistborn series tends to overstay the perfect length/amount of books. What do I mean by that? First off, I have read all published Cosmere works, all (besides The Lost Metal yet) multiple times, and am a huge fan. Like with any franchise there's of course stories, worlds, characters and so on which I enjoy more and others I do less so, though with the Cosmere it generally leans way more to the enjoy side obviously and I love to get lost in the stories and worlds What I'd really love to hear different opinions about and arguments for is the amount and length of Mistborn stories so far. I personally feel like the amount of Mistborn stories/pages supersedes the amount of content, meaning that it feels unnecessarily much or dragging on at times. Examples would be most of Well Of Ascension, the majority of the siege of Fadrex city in Hero Of Ages and kinda all of the Wax And Wayne books besides Alloy Of Law. It's not the length of the books per se either, since I for example don't have the same feelings when it comes to The Stormlight Archive books. The Final Empire did not feel like that to me and I enjoyed it immensely. I think it had a great plot, fantastic characters, a very original world, awesome magic system and a very fitting length for the plot. The Well Of Ascension felt like a typical second book of a trilogy to me with an unnecessary love triangle and not too much happening altogether. I really loved the idea of filling and managing a power vacuum and all that, but all in all it didn't hook nor hold me as much as the first one. The Hero Of Ages had a great premise but dragged on too long for me and I have the feeling that it could have profited from being shortened, maybe to as much as half its length. The Alloy Of Law I enjoyed immensely, since it had such a different feel to it, almost a penny dreadful/dime novel kind of thing, slightly trashy with stereotypical characters and plot (and I mean that in the best kind of way). The rest of the Wax and Wayne books to me felt rather superfluous and I think I'd have enjoyed it more, if it would have been something else that introduced the important pieces for the setup of Era 3 (if at all, because it would've otherwise probably been incorporated into Era 3 directly); maybe a few more dime novels in the style of AoL, but focused on entirely new characters instead of the full length novels about the same cast (even if I did really enjoy Steris portrayal and character development in the later books, especially tLM). Mistborn: Secret History I have mixed feelings about, it's definitely something that can be detrimental to the enjoyment of the series if read too early (wouldn't recommend it before Bands Of Mourning). Here I also have the feeling that it's mostly superfluous. I did quite enjoy the subplot with the Eyree though and I love how much information we got about the CR and Cosmere mechanics, but I'm not sure I needed most of the story how the protagonist of M:SH was secretly influencing stuff from behind the scenes. I'm aware these are my very personal opinions, based on my own tastes and preferences. (I did also talk about the topic with multiple friends and acquaintances who read the books, and they mostly mirrored my feelings on the matter.) But since this all is based so deeply on personal preferences I'm super interested in what others think about it and thought the forums would probably be a great place place to ask and discuss it (I'm not sure if this is the right section to post this, if not, please feel free to move the topic to the correct one )

Ah, good to know that it's center of self rather than center of gravity. I mentioned Zane mainly since I thought the not-pushing/pulling-from-the-center trick might probably have an influence on the blue perception lines? Meaning that by using this trick a blind Allomancer might see the blue lines starting from anywhere else on their body, e.g. eyes or head or something? Though I'm not sure if it would make "seeing" one's environment easier than having the lines start from the center of self (or maybe even harder).

Are we sure about this always being centered on a person's center of gravity? In a recent post someone explained Zane's shenanigans in Well Of Ascension when he rights himself in the air with only a single coin on the ground and no other metals around, indicating that he pushes and pulls not from his center, but rather from different places of his body (hands and feet in this case probably). I would guess, that the lines in these cases would also not start from his center of gravity then, but I could be wrong.

Thank you is it ever too early to have fun though? Had friends over who won't be there for Halloween and who suggested to carve pumpkins together to get in the autumn mood. Since I've never done it before I was all for it gotta see how long it'll keep and if maybe I have to do another one towards the end of the month

I carve these words in pumpkin, for anything not set in squash cannot be trusted! Just wanted to share my Pumpkin Inquisitor