Tamriel Wolfsbaine

Well heard on both accounts. I didn't spend much thought on the other workings of it all. Was just trying to piece potentials together. I thought it was specified that time dilation did play a part in a lot of the worldhoppers as not all of them were truly ageless? Something about investiture concentrations? Perhaps there are specified places to allow it to happen as @Firesong said. Time dilation is a spooky thing as you can literally blink away the lifetimes of friends and family.

I was trying to think how much time could be dilated in somewhere like Silverlight. Perhaps the time dilation changes based on your proximity to wherever that centerpoint is? I think 1 day to a year would be a decent amount. For 365 years worth of skipping you would spend a year in Silverlight. This could allow someone to age only 16 and a half years or so between the the last desolation and the this one right? The truly ageless world hoppers could spend ample time on each planet away from the time dilation without concern but I also think this sort of potential time dilation would allow more mortal worldhoppers to make their appearances and leave their marks on worlds without going absolutely insane. Maybe 1 day in silverlight = 1 year on the cosmere standard being Scadrial would be too much dilation for things to work. Maybe it is shorter. To think of it in terms of months if the time was just dilated to a 1:30 ratio or 1 day is roughly 1 month then it would be about 200 years of silverlight time to fill the 6000 year gap or whatever. That really isn't too bad considering the potential agelessness in the cosmere or highly invested individuals gaining decades and decades of extra lifespan. I feel like anything less than that would start to require some form of shedding memories but I could be wrong. I am sure that naturally long lived beings will be far better suited for hundreds of years worth of memories but for the more human races I feel like it would be pretty hard. What are others opinions and thoughts on this? In the 1day:1year scenario I can totally see Silverlight pubs being that stereotypical quest hub. You hang out there and hear about all of the happenings from different planets. Some worldhoppers literally waiting out a generation or two before checking back in on the planets they are interested in. Or deciding where to go next based on the stories coming from those cities? Taking a few minutes to hop down to a planet and take inventory before coming back (maybe through attending a few social events)? I know this is all mostly speculation. I am trying to wrap my head around the day in the life of a cosmere scholar and their abilities to not go insane.

I really don't know enough on the differences between keyed and unkeyed or whatever investiture to speak too much on this. However what goes through my mind is that biochromatic breath seems to saturate that which you awaken. To place it into another item and just make the 2 items touch doesn't seem like it lines up with Awakening to me. A perfect gemstone could be awakened or whatever as a good way to hold onto your breaths off your person but I am not convinced you could use it to fuel any other awakened object as the breath needs to be saturating the object which you are awakening. Breath comes out and coats the objects. Enveloping them and giving them a form of invested life. I don't think you can achieve that with a gemstone. But I am open to being wrong with that. If awakening became a thing that could be fueled endlessly by gemstones and stormlight I wouldn't complain. I can think of many things to do with that. Although you would be making anyone with the 9th heightening and above capable of making as many Nightbloods as there are Highstorms and gems. With no limitation on how many items can be awakened thanks to not using your biochromatic breath then every breath you collect is used towards an ever increasing, never decreasing, heightening.

Warbreaker is an easy win for me. Both eras of mistborn follow that. An unpopular opinion here, SA is the last on my list. If it wasn't such a huge part of the cosmere I wouldn't have finished WoK. Sadly it appears my favorite characters in the cosmere will have to be enjoyed a couple scenes at a time through my least favorite books. Really wish Brandon would write Nightblood and give me an entire book with my favorite system and characters again. Until then I will trudge through SA for Vasher, Nightblood and Vivenna.

I guess Sus always viewed himself as supposed to be able to speak. Or perhaps it was his talks with Siri that led him to believe it was stolen from him and a thing he wanted back?

So this is based on a person who receives a gold spike for F gold. Say you are born blind. Or born without a hand or whatever it may be. A large birth defect. Now you have gone your entire life with that. Say 15-20 years into it you get the ability to use Feruchemical gold whether by discovering latent ferring powers or by hemalurgy. Does this effect what your gold can heal? I believe that the gold would work similarly to stormlight healing in that it returns you to your spiritual ideal. But we see kaladin who has internalized being blind and it doesn't work for his scars. Would a person who was born blind and lived that life for 20 years be able to heal their blindness with F gold if they jusy became a ferring? Would hemalurgically granted F gold work differently if it was taken from a person whos spiritual ideal was a seeing individual due to having that persons spirit web infused with your own? Side question... Would a person born blind gifted a returns single blessing recieve sight or would it only heal injuries? Say your body never grew eyes... weird for sure but for discussions sake. We saw the god king get his tongue back but that was healing an injury. Can the most powerful healing spell in the game make someone who was never born with eyes in the first place suddenly grow them and be able to see?

Yeah I haven't read any of those. Please bring on spoilers. I honestly don't think I ever will have time to read all of the cosmere between family, work, trying to finish school and all other responsibilities. There just isn't enough time. It took me nearly 2 years to make my way through the first 3 SA, warbreaker and TLM. (Okay and there were a couple Alcatraz books in between). Either way. I don't see myself hitting these others anytime soon. My to do list is edgedancer, dawnshard, RoW and then Elantris. Then I will see what else is out there. I only read for the magics and to give some form of basis to some headcannon homebrew RPG stuff. I get that there isn't much to go on as of yet. I am curious what people think are worlds with the investiture fields needed to keep structures and constructs made of Aether. Would Roshar or Nalthis be a decent candidate? What about shadesmar or other spaces in the cognitive realm?

The suit was pretty dang big. I get that investiture formed and powered this suit. How does it stack up to other things? While I don't think it is cannon I have seen 1 picture of twinsoul in his roseite suit. He is sitting in the abdomen with his legs crossed like he is meditating. That means that investiture powers everything about that suit. It must be moving in a way that is closer to Kalads Phantoms than a human driving forward in shardplate right? Are there even gaps in that armor? Could you grow it around yourself still using investiture to move it, only your limbs are what are directing all movements? There must be a lot of strength going into that thing to lift a massive mace around as well. How much would a 2 handed mace being held by a 12 foot golem weight? I image the head of that thing is a boulder unto itself. And the suit seemed to swing it with ease.... Would you put that mace in a shardhammer size range or bigger? I would guess that if you are running enough investiture into a roseite golem to allow it to reach 12 foot tall you could probably out wrestle most of the strength builds in the cosmere. But is that strength just given in relation to a 12 foot tall person? Would that strength outperform a shardplate suit? Would it squish a pewter arm / ferring / compounder? How do you folks think twinsoul would hold up in his powersuit against a 12 foot koloss? Or some of kalads phantoms?

Saw the trailer for Blue Beetle last night and thought it looked pretty dope. The scarab that is infused into his back and everything grows out of it sort of screamed Aetherbound to me but I am not sure how you would get any of the actual abilities. Probably Skybreaker at 4th ideal would be the closest you could get with just 1 system. If you could combine a couple or few systems how would you build this hero in the cosmere?

I figure storing connection probably doesn't lead to you not being seen... just that noone can feel anything really towards you or against you. They see the aura and rainbows shooting off this person but they are so disconnected from it all that it doesn't ever register in their minds?? I did always think that connection was a two way thing though which is weird and made me not like duralumin. I assumed that if you stored so much connection that noone cared about you it would make it very difficult to move forward and care about anything or anyone else for the feruchemist either. Likewise I figured that if you tapped a bunch of connection you could become a massive cult leader but the downside is that you feel just as loyal to the people that feel loyalty towards you. I really want that to be incorrect. The idea that boosting your connection with others makes it impossible to take advantage of them removes this incredible ability from the potential antagonists as far as I see it. I guess they could just lead an insanely loyal band of baddies but when you tap those connections to store I feel like the motivation in the group that used to be driven by these connections would disappear. I am hopefully thinking of it all wrong. Afterall we see medallions, which we know store connection, be used by a well motivated character. We know that it is storing into the duralumin metalmind that allows for that communication but we also don't see anyone stop caring to talk with Allik either.

So duralumin could be responsible for it on its own? I never thought of rioting and soothing as needing a connection. I viewed them more as a blanket effect that sort of covered everyone around the allomancer. I knew it could be focused on one person specifically with some focus but I didn't think of it as requiring any connection. As for the aura of the breaths. Investing deep down inside of oneself is great but half of my interest in breaths is that 6th sense from lifesense. To give it up feels an awful waste. Maybe its better to hope on board the compounding tin hype train @Koloss17 loves so much. Compound the lifesense and then hide away those breaths and aura. Would compounded tin allow you to infinitely store perfect pitch and color recognition as well? Perhaps that is the answer to supercharging your senses and lifesense minus the aura. This is a good point. Would aluminum stop the connection manipulation? What about copper clouds? I tend to believe that copper works on the pulses and rhythms more than anything and I don't know that I believe connection via duralumin is in anyway connected to pulses and rhythms but the aluminum seems like it works against everything. Although is duralumin just changing your connection to everything on a spiritual level and the aluminum worn on another person can't really stop you from dampening your existance to the realm? Crazy theory time here: Could he just be storing his connection to the physical realm entirely and almost ghost stepping around as he filters in and out of physical existance? Probably a totally out there thought process. For someone who has appeared to people in the spiritual realm and cognitive realms (at least thats what I think of when he talks about escorting spirits across to the beyond.) Maybe he is compounding connection to the cognitive realm? Tapping a ton of that while storing the physical realm connection allowing him to view into the physical realm while being a mostly cognitive being at that moment thus being a literal ghost walking around and appearing when he wants to and to whomever he wants to. Almost a form of transportation.

When Marsh was moving around unnoticed there has been some speculation that he was using emotional allomancy and F duralumin. Now Marsh is sort of a monster of a person and for him to cruise around Scadrial unnoticed is pretty awesome. But how far do you think this combo would work? Of course this question will tie it back to breaths! I love endowment and the entire awakening system but there is that pesky aura I am always trying to hide! Say you had an A zinc F duralumin twinborn and somehow they were given a wealth of breaths. How powerful do you think the combination of emotional allomancy is when combined with F duralumin? Do you think duralumin could do it alone? Marsh is a massive inquisitor with spikes for eyes. Do you think it would be harder to hide an aura of higher heightening / make people ignore your aura at higher hightenings than convincing them to ignore a massive inquisitor? Maybe the 10th heightening shooting rainbows around a person is simply too much to store all of your connection to the folks around you and riot their other senses to not care? Maybe brass would be better for this as soothing their curiosity to nothing would be more powerful? I am also curious how much emotional allomancy we really think played a role in that. I believe Marsh is an exceptionally talented allomancer and is likely very skilled in being subtle with his allomancy. But is subtle rioting and soothing even going to make that much effect on folks? Especially folks who have been able to identify many times the use of soothers and rioters in books in the past?

You could be right on this. I have thought about how to split the breaths. The best way I came up with was to invest items with them and keep those items on you. I guess you don't necessarily have to awaken an item to put the breath in it either, which is interesting. The idea of titrating the amount of breath you put into an item past the initial awakening is interesting. That is my point. If you can retain the agelessness from the divine breath while suppressed then in my mind it should work the other way around if suppressing regular breath is possible. If suppressing the divine breath simply loses all benefit and the agelessness is from the whole cognitive shadow aspect that is a bit different.

When you suppress the breaths aren't you losing out on all of their benefits the same way you would in storing them inside of a metalmind? Can you suppress the aura and keep the agelessness?

If you are up for a bit of hemalurgy anyways... why not steal some copper allomancy? I don't know if your coppercloud will entirely hide the 10th heightening but I think it would certainly cut the aura back a bunch and make it less noticeable. This also makes me wonder if this stored innate investiture could be used by an aetherbound like a jar of dor was? Only in this case it would be fueled and keyed entirely by that aetherbound.

Compounded divine breath up to the 10th heightening equivalent and then having a few hundred or even a couple thousand normal breaths besides that could grant the ranged and silent awakening perks? Even if you only had a few hundred breaths to work with, maintaining the 10th heightening could be wicked powerful and beneficial to a person with even a small handful of breaths.

After reading those I have more questions about medallions than I do breaths to be honest. Specifically in nicrosil and atium spikes. We are led to believe that nicrosil stores investiture and that means it stores the ability to use power X Y or Z. However nicrosil doesn't steal powers that is for other spikes. But in both cases Nicrosil uses Investiture as its term to describe what it is doing. What does this mean for nicrosil compounding? Endless breath? Endless divine breath? Could you awaken with divine breath if you had compounded a few thousand? (You would assume that is a few million normal breaths worth of investiture yeah?

Okay. So enough investiture should* be enough to keep even a glass weapon from breaking in a clash. The investiture ties it all together. This leads me to 2 seemingly unrelated questions. Is the investiture changing the Axi? I believe Axi is what is being used as a term for the atoms in the cosmere now (Kelsier spoke about it when he spoke about seeing them through his spiked eye which apparently is any hemalurgically charged spike driven through the eye socket bind point as his doesn't really show to having any specific power at all?) In talking about investiture and blocking things it leads me to these other questions. If Kelsier were to put an eye patch over his spike would he still see the Axi? Does it show him just the first layer of atoms making up an outline? My other question would be how the investiture interferes with other systems. If I had a monkey fist with a large solid chunk of gold in the center of it for the weight (or some other better suited metal for that purpose) and I were to awaken the rope to swing itself around, would that ball be able to be seen and manipulated by allomamcers? Or do you think the rope, even with the minimum breaths used to awaken it, surrounding the solid metal ball would blot it out from sight? Kind of like how you can't push metal on someone who is on the other side of shardplate. (Of course that raises the question of if someone inside of shardplate could push on something outside of it? If the living shards would work differently?) I know these seem totally unrelated but I am curious about theories on how the investiture is effecting the objects around it and if it is simply filling gaps between atoms holding them together? Sorry this is a cluster of questions and I am just trying figure out the interactions between other items when playing with investiture. I know there is not a ton of evidence in the text for any of it but my guilty pleasure is to speculate, and try to convince others to join me in speculating, about these things.

I get that glass isn't metal. But a sword is a sword. Do you think Vin's glass daggers would view themselves as so lesser form of killer then a steel dagger?

I was thinking about the benefits of a metal mace vs a wooden club and this question got me thinking. Is steel simply harder than whatever Tanavastium is? Nightblood chipped an honorblade. What does that mean? Is it that nightblood is so much more invested that it was able to do that? Or does the level of investment not matter as much as the material of the object? I am torn between these thoughts. A cloth with 1000 breaths could stop the magical cutting power of a shard but could it stop the razer edge? Kaladin sliced through the awakened cloth with no problems once Syl turned sharp. (Granted the cloth wasn't that invested... only a couple hundred breaths likely.) But in the case of Nightblood vs Tanavastium we have 2 highly invested objects vs eachother. Was it the investiture that caused one to be damaged? Or was it because one was steel and the other was a softer metal? If Nightblood were made from glass and contained the same investiture would he have still chipped the honorblade or would the glass sword have broken? Likewise would you maintain the same indestructable benefits if you were to put all of that breath into some form of wooden club or stick? What is more important in this scenario? The material the object is made from or the raw investiture that is put into it?

I guess there could be a lot of ways of looking at this. The idea is multiple spikes forgewelded into one super spike and then used. I believe it would still count as multiple spikes but my question is: Can you place multiple spikes forge welded together into the same bind point? Would using a forgewelded spike cause a terrible failure in the process and result in the recievers death? Would the charges be weaker than they were to start after heating and forging?

I know Alcatraz is not cosmere. If you were in the cosmere how would you piece together a similar set of abilities to a knight of crystalia?

In terms of people mixing systems. Certainly an iron medallion in future cosmere could make flight even with heavy rope weapons far easier than an awakener alone. I don't think that weight manipulation will be too far outside of the possible for people with breaths... or vice versa for people with access to weight manipulation getting access to the breaths needed to make a weapons system / flying system such as this. It is a good mention that any of these moving fast enough could deal some serious damage. I was even thinking of potential for the cords to be weighted at the end if not being given a cutting edge necessarily. You get a meteor hammer sort of action going at the end of some coil / cordage could still end up with a wicked dangerous weapons system rope or steel both. Jackie chan horseshoe rope dart from Shanghai Noon coming to mind big time. Only one a much larger level with multiple ropes working at the same time. I assume the awakened objects could be made to move really fast. I really like the mention of a control system in your awakened wings thread. Though it makes me wonder. Does the level of awakened entity make a difference in that? We really only see Nightblood acting in the capacity to destroy. Could a more intricate command given to a type 4 entity along the same lines of "be as my hands" potentially open your wing/ weapons system up to telepathic communication and eliminate the need for a separate control system?

I had pictured Roseite grown around a rope leaving some form of joints in between and then growing into a dagger at the end for an iron spider sort of limb. I don't know exactly how the rosite could do that (perhaps very thin section that spirals around the rope to allow some movement. I don't know if the rope would adjust well to being limited from a giant range of motion to only bending at a few set joints. I still think it would have a lot larger range of motion than a normal human arm a joint at the back and 2-3 more down the length of the rope ending with a nice pointy chunk of roseite. You could make the roseite between joints quite thick to absorb blows and protect your rope. Back to the angel. Yeah I thought flight might be a difficult thing. I was actually assuming you would have to mix and match some systems to get that but I like the awakened flight idea! Thin steel cable, while requiring the 9th heightening, would just do so well in this due to its flexibility and its strength.... I still don't fully understand how the Awakening works with certain things. It being a softer system than others is so beneficial in letting my mind wander while at the same time driving me nuts in what it could or couldn't do. We see cloth tossing people around but could an awakened object pummel a person? The Garrote idea by @Quantus is really what I was thinking of when I pictured it. Steel wire can absolute cut (and the steel cable ends are ridiculously sharp at times). Though if it could cut along its edge would be the stretch. I wonder about how well steel wire would do at pushing and dealing blunt force damage as well. Would it just sting like being whipped or could awakening help it to shove things out of the way as it hits them (if not cutting them). I know it could wrap someone up and grab them and most likely even toss them. I think if you tried constricting a person to death with thinner wire it would naturally slice into their flesh as well (same could be said for any cordage really). If an inch + thick wire or rope were swung at higher speeds (like the whipping motion of Inarius' wings in this clip. https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxejkOSUATwJRcWqUkFoFiTyshmNI8nos6) I imagine it would be far more effective at moving enemies away than far thinner wire or rope. But does Awakening follow all of those rules of physics? In this case for the weapons application would metal wire awakened at thinner diameters be a better or would the thicker ropes? For transporting your winged suit I would say the thinner wires win out by a long shot compared to a bunch of thick ropes but generating force I feel like the thicker heavier ropes at high speed have to be better if no magical cutting is allowed. You could potentially focus on only some of them being thin enough to cut and the others wrapping around the cutting wires to protect you when you don't want to wreck hordes of enemies. Flying is all bonus. I am really just curious about the weapons program (Spiderman initiating instant kill mode on the iron spider). Thin enough wire probably wouldn't add too much weight. It is strong strong strong. You get far more bang for your buck at lower weights of steel cable in terms of working loads than you do from rope. Would a 1/4 steel cable with a 1100lb working load be able to hold you up the same way 1inch thick rope would with a similar working load if you wanted to turn it into legs and run with it. Bonus question: Could you create an army of lifeless spiders to create a silk farm and have the best of both worlds? Creating insanely strong cordage all the time? Could lifeless spiders understand a command to layer their silk back and forth on itself making cordage? Could a spren blade manifest itself as cutting flexible wings of death? In which case skybreaker or windrunner just with the "how to become an angel" battle.

Diablo angels. Wings of energy that seem to double as pretty sweet weapons. I have been down the road of imagining ways to make doc ock or build an iron spider suit from awakening. But I got to scrolling and chanced upon some diablo videos with the angels. I have never played the game put it appears that the angels wings double as weapons that can grab or cut (maybe in the diablo 4 cinematic). Again, my mind turned immediately to "how in the world could you build it in the cosmere?" And, anyone who has seen my ravings before knows, it only lead me to more questions. My initial thought is to stick with the awakening. Thinner (maybe 1/4 inch or lower) steel cable... only this time you have many more rolls on you that are awakened (5-10 strands on each side ranging from a few feet to 3x your height or so). I am curious if you think awakening something without an edge could ever be used for cutting as a shardblade via awakening? Like an awakened piano wire or something? (Include a couple mixed with the steel cables?) I assume when you awaken something you are awakening it as a whole. You awaken the entire straw man. So I figure in the case of a harness with many limbs it would work the same (make it look as human as possible to lower breath count? Although nightblood shows us it isn't a necessity.) But that is only a small portion of the equation. In diablo Angel wings they appear to be ribbons of light. Lightweaving might be able to fix this but it leads me to another question. For aethers. I know one of them is light and heat. We see limitations based on water. When that is removed by having a boatload of pure investiture, do you think that we are likely to see any lasers coming from Aetherbound? We know lightweavers will be able to eventually. What about the right Aetherbound? It is believed by some that division can break up any nonshard material before it ever touches them making a sort of heat barrier around them... what are the odds that some Sunlight Aetherbound with access to that aether could replicate that? Do you think you could grow aether up an awakened object? Even if the awakened cable could cut could you bathe yourself and it in a layer of sunlight?