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Kandra cannot turn into such larger creatures, they are still limited by their physical mass, which as about that of adult human. Theoretically, if you fed them enough people sure, but they would then be limited to creatures of that size.

I don't think spiritweb cracks are difference between physical/congnitive/spiritual self, otherwise any wound would open cracks, and you could make bonding easier by physical harm (I doubt that is where it is going), and people who heal easily could not. Additionally, it would imply that physical healing would seal at least some cracks, and that is seemingly not the case, with spiritual healing being much more difficult than physical healing. Instaed, I would say that spiritweb cracks are broken Connections within spiritweb, and then something can Connect with those broken Connection (like spren when forming Nahel Bond).

Yes it is. Shards (and Atium/Electrum users) do genuinely see what are possible futures. It is not just calculated projection based on existing known variables, but something more fundamental based on Spiritual Realm. I'll also note that we don't necessarily know that Diagram was created without access to Fortune, only that Rayse assumes so. Since it seemingly predicts events events even after Taravangian's Ascension, it is possibly it was sort of 'echo' of what he can do after Ascension. I think Fortune is both futuresight and also subconcious sense that guides your decision towards favorouable outcomes. I.e. Feruchemist tapping fortune would just happen to make decision that are beneficial to him. This would be in line with Hoid's use of Fortune to be where he is needed, though he does not necessarily know why he is there or what he should do. So no, I don't think it is 'future-guidance'. I would say yes. Good at future-sight = being able to see more options/farther into the future more accurately Effectively having both more information, and also able to judge that information better (see Preservation and his plan) Bad at future-sight than means both seeing fewer options, and quality of predictions degrading faster the further from present it is Interference in futuresight Someone else is also seeing future and using it guide their decisions. This created feedback loop (as seen with Atium), which effectively exponentially increases the amount of futures available. Someone who is good at futuresight will be less impacted than someone who is bad, but will still be impacted. Severity of this impact depends on the specifis of interference (e.g. Atium does not pose problem on Shardic level, since it allows futuresight only 2-3 seconds into the future. Conversely, Renarin sees up-to hundreds of days into the future, as his prediction of Everstorm shows, which created much larger interference). Futuresight not being possible/meaningful No such scenario exists as far as I know, it is always possible, though the information might not be parsable, and some people are effective blindspots due to their near continuous futuresight (Renarin being the primary example) Renarin is very good at futuresight, he predicted Everstorm hundreds of days in advance, and hit it exactly to the day. Similarly, he predicted arrival of Teft and reinforcements onto the Thaylen field (though that was only few seconds off). His two predictions that were wrong (Jasnah and Dalinar at the end of Oathbringer), both involved Radiant swearing additional Oath, i.e. undergoing personal realization/growth. Since even Shards cannot see hearts of men, that is something we cannot really hold against him. Jasnah wanted to kill him, and though she should, it was almost at the last second that she changed her mind (and in process likely swore her 4th Ideal). In fact, Renarin is the second best non-Shard at futuresight, only beaten by Taravangian on his Diagram day. Vin was in no way better than any other Mistborn, she burned Atium and saw few seconds ahead. She was able to exploit that knowledge, but fundamentally her ability was no better than any other Mistborn. Her feat of splitting her Atium shadow had to do with her observational skills, where she reacted to what Zane did. They were not meaningless, they simply saw less than their opponents. As such they ended up making mistakes (e.g. Ruin completely ignoring Sazed and misunderstanding Kandra, Rayse underestimating emotional Taravangian). I don't think Cultivation saw Renarin, but she did see Nightblood being on Roshar, and prepared Taravangian to have anti-Diagram state (i.e. ultra-emotional) to prepare trap for Rayse. As Hoid notes, Rayse likes to gloat, and that is what he was effectively doing with emotional Taravangian. I'd say so far he is relatively good about it, because he keeps free-will. Which means no prophecy or anything is air-tight, it always comes downs to decisions of people. As an example, were it not for Marsh and his willpower, Ruin would win. Preservation knew how he behaved, and it was highly likely he would end up doing what he did, but it was not given. Which is why Taravangian as Odium might end up biting Cultivation in the metaphorical butt, as he "wants to save them all". Because interference is actually very rare, there is not a lot of it going around. Current relevant sources of interference on Shardic level are: Other Shards Renarin Maybe Rlain now And that is it. So in fact, it is very reliable tool (as Rayse's death, and Sazed Ascension show), even for Renarin visions are reliable, having failed only twice. Again, so far the only two times his futuresight failed both included Radiant swearing an Oath. The fact that Jasnah didn't kill him is a plot point, since as he says, up until that moment every single vision he had came true. So far his visions failed him only twice, and the outcomes were better than the alternative, so they are very reliable tool. I disagree, name futuresight is fitting, since seeing possible futures is the only option in non-deterministic free-will universe. Relying on it makes sense, since: If your are a Shard you have to use it, otherwise another Shard can blindside you. Effectively like Atium-duels on steroids, except some Shards are better than others. If you are Renarin, you have tool that failed you only twice, and in exceptional circumstances at that. Edit: I'll also note that both failures of his future vision somehow involved himself. It was his turning around and begging Jasnah to kill him that led to her changing her mind. And his influence on Dalinar is possibly what lead to his 3rd Oath as well. So it might be that Renarin is also a blindspot to himself as well, so predictions he can influence too much will be less accurate.

To some extent yes, however both Nightblood and Father Machine somewhat break the rules. Specifically, Endowment was involved "more than usual" in creation of Nightblood (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/360/#e10871). Father Machine could do what it did because Shard of that system was Splintered and also was invested in the people in the system (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/518/#e16178). As such, I think typically Awakening won't be able to reach these levels, but it might be realistic to have Awakened item that acts somewhat like Chromium Misting.

No I don't need to recount. Epigraph 44 in WoR specifies that there were three Bondsmiths at most, and that increasing this number was considered seditious. Hmm, that is a good point, could be. Possibly, or it could be part of the restrictions created by Ishar when forming Knight Radiants. We know that KR were later development, that happened at least few Desolations in, and the first few Desolations had long breaks between (there were possibly not more than 15 https://wob.coppermind.net/events/360/#e10816 ). Further, six thousands years ago is roughly around the time of founding of KR per the official interactive map (https://roshar.17thshard.com/#/en-US). So it could be few proto-Bondsmiths between certain Desolations bonded some of these ancient forces, and then during Desolation circa 6000 years ago Ishar and Honor reformed these into Bondsmith spren and restricted the bonding.

Previously, it was known that somehow Ishar had Bondsmith-like abilities even before the Oathpact, with assumption that somehow Odium might have something to do with it (considering he came with humans from Ashyn). Considering that it was revealed in the recent chapters that Bondsmiths used to bond ancient forces like Wind, Night, Stones directly, and bonding godspren came later, I would suggest that Ishar was the first person to bind forces, and did so back on Ashyn. Presumably, there were similar forces on Ashyn as well, most likely worshiped (similar to how Singers worshiped wind, stone and spren) and Ishar bound them, hence his moniker Binder of Gods. Additionally, this now raises a question, why was it considered seditious for Bondsmiths to go over number three? Were only three of the ancient forces allied with humans?

Ah, in that case yes, I would agree. Indeed we will Though maybe we will get something pertinent in the previews.

Yes, that is true. I would not say so. I think having your father burn your mother alive is much worse on an emotional level, especially if your father lied to you about it for ~10 years. No one is trying to justify Adolin having revenge, so this is false equivalency. Elhokar realized that and tried to abdicate (which Dalinar stopped), and then to try and grow better (which Moash stopped). Because Moash swore to protect the king, and then betrayed that oath, along with his friends. And most importantly, he would have killed the very person that saved his live (Kaladin) in the murder attempt. For Moash it is very difficult to care about anyone but himself, and even then it is typically only so long as it benefits him somehow. (e.g. he only helped Sah and others only because he was angry that Singers are enslaving their own, not that they have slaves). I do think Moash did deserve justice, but as Kaladin points out, it was primarily Roshone who was responsible. Adolin and Moash is false equivalency. Sadeas was active danger to Adolin, his family, and frankly, humanity. Had he said to Adolin he would no longer work against Dalinar, Adolin would not kill him. Proper equivalent would be if Elhokar threaten some of Moash's family and Moash, and he killed him in response. (which would be justifiable in my opinion). Yes, where is the difference here? Kaladin is years separated from the incident that killed his brother, and mostly blames himself, not Roshone and much less Elhokar. Adolin learned not even a year ago his father burned his mother to death, and Rift as whole was always known as something Dalinar is responsible for. So of course he blames him. Except Adolin already does not let his decisions and actions be dictated by his emotions in this situation. He acknowledges it is more important to work together than his hate for his father. He struggles with it, but he does not work against him or sabotage him. That may change, but so far he does not do that. So yeah, I don't understand why you are making this point at all. Because Adolin is not Moash. Moash is the kind of person to lie and betray to get what he wants and to try and get his former best friend to commit suicide! And that is not because of Odium, even back in first two books, he was saying he wants to enslave lighteyes. That is not someone who is interested in justice. Adolin is the kind of person to befriend everyone no matter the station, to help people for no benefit to himself, and to pay attention to those who are ignored to bring deadblade partially back (something thought impossible). If you don't see the difference between them, I don't know what to tell you.

That was in a Vision created by the Vessel, in a blind-spot created by Renarin, and it was Nightblood interacting with the Vessel. And Nightblood is among the most Invested objects/beings in the Cosmere, created with some intervention from a Shard. That is not a situation you can use as guide. Still won't work. Shard and Vessels are Investiture, so there is not much to spike (at least per the WoB). Even if you could, it won't do anything meaningful to the Shard, and you most likely won't get too much out of it, as a rule it seems Hemalurgic spikes hold very little Investiture (i.e. less than a single Breath), since all it does is modify spiritweb (similarly to how Soulstamps use little Investiture). Though that is in usual situations.

By your own logic Dalinar is literally ten thousands times worse than Adolin, since he murdered an entire city state.

I'd add one point to Dalinar burning the Rift, and why is it considered horrible in universe even by other Alethi. Burning and pillaging a city is "normal" for war of this time. But that is not what Dalinar did. What he did is genocide a city of tens of thousands, by burning them alive, and he blocked roads out of the city so no one could even escape. That is not normal, even for Alethi. In fact, some of his own handpicked soldiers left him over that. And Adolin's mother died in that, while trying to save those people. And he himself was lead to believe that horrible act was retribution for that very death. I.e. Adolin was effectively taught that Evi's dead was something so horrible, genocide was a response. Dalinar cannot be surprised that Adolin is very hurt by that, and hates him to some extent.

You'd probably want to spike their Connection to Honorblade, that would most likely be sufficient. Though we don't know yet all there is to know about them. Heralds immortality might not be spikable, it is due to them being part of Oathpact. If you can spike that you could do that. Vessel's Connection to Shard won't be spikeable, even if you got to that position. Similarly spiking a Shard with Nicrosil spike is not possible. You might try spiking their Avatar or Vessel. But again, I don't think it would do much. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/522/#e16292

You can think of it (for non-memories) as siphoning of certain amount of Investiture that realizes a given attribute. I.e. your spiritweb says you are supposed to be XX heavy, but you siphon off part of that Investiture in PR into your metalmind. Similar for speed, you should move at X m/s, but you siphon part of that into your metal mind. I agree that considering total amount of Investiture stored could make sense, however per one old WoB, you get loss relative to what you stored. So if you stored e.g. 10kg for 1 hour, you can tap 10 kg for 1 hour, but 20 kg only for 25 minutes. This implies that not just quantite of stored attribute, but also quality (in the sense of which percentage what stored) matters when tapping. It is possible this will no longer hold, and the losses for tapping will be simply for going above e.g. 2x of your attribute. Even Wax follows this, he wastes year of weight stored in seconds, which would be tapping millions of tons (1 kg/s stored for a year amounts to ~31,5 million kg/s to be tapped. Clearly, this is not supported by those scenes, hence there must be a loss involved. Energy is quadratic in velocity only in newtonian regime, more precise (i.e. special relativistic) accounting will show you that energy is linearly related to momentum. In that way, it would make more sense for F-steel to store momentum, and not speed (that way it would also have more interesting relationship with F-Iron). However, if you keep in mind that there is a certain loss when tapping a lot of attribute (exponential in fact), then this quadratic loss due to energy requirements could be hidden in that.

Not just lore, other Heralds as well. Nale calls him as such, he is the one who informs Kalak, he is the one who reveleas Aharietam to people and claims he will lead them to victory in Tranquiline Halls. Everything suggests that he was the primary leader. Hell, many religions have him as the sole deity. Why would that be? I am not saying Bondsmiths weren't important, but that does not make them leaders. Yes, that is the one actual disagreement we know about, one that only grew into something problematic during times of Recreance (per the gemstone archive), when the overall division among Orders became problematic in general. (Oathbringer Epigraphs 64, 67, 70). And again, I am not saying all of Windrunners were leaders of the Radiants, I am saying often it was a Windrunner, who was the overall leader, most likely one of Fifth Oath (who would embody both Divine Attributes, Leading and Protecting, like Fifth Ideal Skybreaker should be both Just and Confident). But similarly to what we see in coalition, other Orders would also be in positions of leadership, and advice. Our resident Windrunner (Kaladin) keeps getting into leadership positions, in Amaram's army, in leading escape attempts as slave, in Bridge Crews, as Captain of the Guard, with escaped Parshmen, with Wall Guard, with people of Urithiru during occupation (there leading more by example), and now he is in position to be heir apparent to Urithiru. There is a considerable history there. Conversely, both Bondsmiths were people born into leadership on some level (not diminish their own accomplishments), but to Kaladin (and in my opinion someone who has potential to be 5th Ideal windrunner) it comes naturally, no matter their station. Per the SayTheWords and description of the Ten Orders, Bondsmiths don't sound like leaders to me, but more like mediators and negotiators (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/528/#e16470 , https://wob.coppermind.net/events/424/#e13781 ). So while Bondsmith can be in the center like Dalinar is, that does not have to be the case (like we see with Navani). And right now, I think Dalinar's way is detrimental, because he is too caught up in being a leader and a Bondsmith. I don't think he will be Bondsmith, he does not have the temperament for it, though that can change. Really? Can you get me a quote on that? Because from what I am seeing from Epigraphs, there is no mention of that at all. Melishi is mentioned as a Bondsmith, and as part of coalition of scholar Radiants that developed the plan to capture BAM. Nowhere does it mention them to be the leader.

I'd say Bondsmiths are useful to unite not to lead, which is what they were doing historically. So historically, Bondsmiths ensured that Radiants are (mostly) united. Someone does not have to lead (and in fact I think it is counterproductive to some extent) to unite/guide. Jezrien was the leader of the Heralds, not Ishar. And similarly, I think often it was a Windrunner who ended up somewhat in charge of Radiants, though I think mostly the Orders governed themselves. Edit: After all, Kaladin is setup as inheritor to Urithiru, as the kingdom of Radiants. @alder24 Yeah, I think so too, especially in light of TSM. Perhaps this will lead to Sig swearing 4th Ideal? His armor did have windspren as well. Side note: More and more I think something will happen to all the Honorspren. Perhaps "Unite them" will have bit of a bitter taste, if Honorspren are truly as much of honor as they claim. (and it would make Syl's constant comments that she is a piece of God into foreshadowing in hindsight).

Not certainly, possibly. Some whispered, some granted as instinctive. And in other epigraph it talks about Rashek's instictive knowledge of Hemalurgy, and how without it, he would be unable to use it at all So Epigraph 9 talks about Ruin-whispered things and instinctive things, and then Epigraph 44 calls Rashek's knowledge of Hemalurgy instinctive. As such, I still maintain that most (if not all) of Rashek's knowledge of Hemalurgy came from the power of the Well, not Ruin. Where? Vin never took up the power of the Well, she let the power go. It is kinda key point. Now, rereading the passage, it sounds like she is kinda "half-Ascended"? But crucially, she says this "If" she took the power, and later "held the capacity to become", i.e. she was not yet diety. So no, Ruin never talked to Vin when she held the power, because Vin never actually took up the power, unlike Rashek. It was known enough that there is a separate Invested art distinct from both Feruchemy and Allomancy. That would be enough for Rashek to ask the right questions once Ascending.

That Szeth comment on cowardice felt OOC, but i'll reserve my judgement. I think the Coalition chapter sort of shows why Bondsmiths don't have "Leading" as their Divine attribute. As leader you have to make decisions which might involve comprises that make no-one happy, whereas as Bondsmith you should unite. It feels to me that Dalinar is trying so much to be leader of Coalition, that he is failing to be Bondsmith (both in not being the one to help others see necessity of compromise, and in ignoring his son). Also, interesting that old Radiants were unable to do the Lightweaving map. Is it because Dalinar is first to bond Stormfather as he is now, or because restrictions on Surges are falling away?

Hemalurgy was already known during Classical Scadrial, hence why there were 'Piercings of the Hero' Alendi bore. (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/243/#e5767) That could have been enough for Rashek to have that seed of knowledge to start asking the right questions once Ascended.

This could not be the case. One, Ruin did not pay attention to Rashek until Rashek killed Alendi, who was the one Ruin was manipulating at the moment (https://wob.coppermind.net/events/243-hero-of-ages-qa-time-wasters-guide/#e5767). Two, at least part of the knowledge was instinctive, and Ruin would have only short moments to whisper anything to Rashek. I doubt he could influence him once he wielded the power of the Well (it is after all, of Preservation), especially since it lasted only few moments. See HoA epigrah 44, it references his knowledge of Hemalurgy as 'instinctive'. Three, ultimately while theoretically instruments of Ruin, all three creations played part in his undoing: Simplicity of Koloss let Vin and co. understand the Flaw and more about Hemalurgy. This in turn saved Vin's life, when she connected the dots and controlled Ten'Soon. Kandra, though by Ruin to be easily corrupted because of their susceptibility, were actually a trap, thanks to the Resolution. Inquisitors could shake off Ruin's control in moments of great emotion or through willpower. This let Marsh save Vin and allow her Ascension at critical moment. So all three of Hemalurgic constructs ended up acting more as a trap to Ruin, being something he though was his, and that was used against him in the end. So even if part of Hemalurgic knowledge was granted by Ruin, I don't think it was all of it, and ultimately Rashek managed to turn it into an advantage (certainly in the case of Kandra.)

Hmm, if that was her Second Ideal, it could not have been to Pattern, since he was not with her yet. Could it be that TWoK "I'm terrified." was a Second Ideal somewhat sworn to Testament, and "Killed my spren also to her" if it counts? Then "Killed Father/Killed Mother/I'm terrified 2.0" to Pattern, to get her to 4th Ideal at the start of WaT? By this, she technically did swear more truths/Ideals than Kaladin did by end of WoR, yet was not actually further in her Oaths.

I think this has merit. For the Parshmen, I would note that somehow they became Connected to the lands they were in when the Everstorm hit them. We have Alethi-like Singers Kal meets, Thaylen Singers who steal ships and start using them, Azish Singers who immediately petition government for illegally withholding wages, etc. Additionally, they assumed various random forms. This to me suggests (in conjuction with your theory) that Everstorm removed that broken/invalid connector to BAM, and the resulting gap was filled with what was 'natural', Connection to land that was around them (similar to what blank Connection does) + any spren they could take into gemheart. While there is magical component to Heralds madness, it is not entire story. So even if there is blockage partially causing the madness, there is still underlying (and horrible) trauma of Desolations. Also, other Cognitive Shadows could start going crazy overtime, as Hoid and Vasher imply, so blockage is probably not the culprit. (unless we consider lack of Connection to Physical Realm a kind of blockage)

I think neither of the options would work, Cognitive manifestations are not the object themselves. I.e. cognitive manifestation of spike is not spike itself. You can manifest it into presumably actual physical object (like what spren on Roshar do), but that requires Investiture.

Nope, I am not posting much on Reddit. Could you send me a link, I would like to see it.

Yeah, it is possible she was reaching ~45 mph with the fewer horseshoes at the start, where she was figuring it out. No problem, thanks for the discussion and beautiful simulation+animation.

Ah sorry then. I am bit on edge lately, which seems to be bleeding into my reading comprehension as well Indeed, technically correct is best,... and worst. Good catch! This raises question, why didn't he directly lie in the other cases as well? He is the usual confident self in this. All I can think is that somehow the non-Taln Herald that died did not return to damnation, and that part is the lie, but that is a bit tortured logical leap.