James Brafin

Getting ready to go back and... Did Liranil just claim? With 4 votes? When we need 10 for majority? With three hours left? During a tie that could have gone either way as I have expressed continued distrust of Dannex? Holding my vote for now to avoid a fastlynch but this looks so bad, FoS, probably will vote here.

You forget that Burnt is literally a PM spider; she hangs in her web of trickery and spins lures for all foolish enough to get close. I imagine having limited private communications is making this really difficult for her.

To Illwei: I could get behind a Lotus lynch, if only because the only thing they've posted was super sus. I don't know that it's enough to go on though. To Dannex: I still need to go back and parse the rest of this post, but the very first bit I want to talk about. This feels weird, so I decided to parse it a bit and see what conclusions I could draw. You believe that Liranil's role is important enough to provide information, but not as important as your role. You say that should tell us something. So let's follow your logic. You're obviously soft-claiming something here, and hoping that someone will come out and say it for you. I'm going to do that. Here, in my mind, are the possibilities: Dannex is Liranil's Warder, and so knows their role, probably vanilla. Unlikely, as a lynch at that point would be unhelpful, and not really tell us much, and make Dannex effectively vanilla as well. Dannex is Vanilla and believes Liranil to be a powerrole of some kind. This doesn't make sense; there's no reason to think that, especially if you're looking for vanillas and think they may exist. Liranil has, as far as I can see, not crumbed. Dannex is Green/Brown's Warden, or is Green/Brown himself. This, particularly the Brown, is what I think Dannex is trying to soft-claim. He's suggesting that he has setup info and he knows something that we don't; furthermore, you appear to know what Liranil might have as well -- I think you may have seen Vanilla or Red there and may wanting the info for us from that flip? Thing is I don't buy it. That's clearly the thinking process you *want* me to follow here. You're very intentionally leading me down a specific road to a specific conclusion, and that bothers me a lot. There's something off here, but I'm not awake enough yet to fully put a finger on it. Dannex for now, since I don't want to come back and find out he's dead without having some more time in twilight to parse. I got to finish getting ready for the day, eat, and get to class. Be back later.

Why you got to bully Burnt like that? ;_;

/whisper Burnt Can you hear me? Edit: No wait this looks really bad in context-

We have 25 posts of just fluff REEEEEEE But I'm also too tired to generate meaningful conversation :/

NOOOO No tears plz :,(

I've never read something so accurate in my life

Yes. Gear's argument for why it's good is not... the greatest.

I wasn't mocking though?

I know I'm not supposed to be doing this But holy cow this is a great point

(ง'̀-'́)ง

I'm physically vibrating with exasperation.

hmmm yesh chaosh

Oh jeez, there's discussion I am still taking my break, but I dropped in real quick, and I will say to @Condensation: I intentionally chose "they" as a general-neutral pronoun because I did not know what your pronouns were. I probably should have double checked your bio before I started posting, but I did not. I'm sorry if my use of 'they' offended you in any way, and I'll be glad to change it if you'd like. I'll use Connie too, if you'd rather I did that instead of Conden; that's just what I've been using in my notes since it's quick and easy to remember.

Conden is a lot more circumstantial, but here goes: Post #63 is a sheepy, naked, serious vote very early. Granted, there was (is) some real concern about Dannex, but it contributes nothing, just a blind hop onto a wagon that was mostly just discussion. That bothers me -- and then we get to this: These are the three votes between Dannex's declaration and Dannex's unvote. They explain nothing. They revolve around personal meta which is evidently not reliable. And they contain fluff. In fact, Condensation never did explain why they thought it was s good vote, they just voted and left it there and never went back to it. That reads strongly of soft-bussing to me, trying hard to put yourself in a place early to protect one's self if Dannex goes down later. (It also doesn't help Dannex's case at all.) The other half I'm not going to quote, because the majority of it was my lack of reading comprehension skills and fluff. If you're interested, it's posts 124 through 151, so the very end of Page 5 to the very start of page 7. What I want to point out is Conden's participation here. This is by far the most active they have been this cycle. NAI, I know. But he's so readily encouraging this fluff conversation, nudging it along here and there when they feel the need. That's suspicious to me -- that sounds exactly how I would think as Elim in a QF; waste as much time and text as possible so as to run down the clock. And it worked, conversation mostly ground to a standstill after that point. I'd really question Conden's motivations here, because they might be playing the long con. Point being, This feels like soft-bussing from two players trying to create some conflict and distance; honestly, if feels kind of contrived, if you ask me. I think it's very indicative of scum, and that's why I have a hard read of Elim on both of them. Edit: (I'll get to my Quinn stuff in a bit, alongside my logic in-depth on Dannex's #47 and #55 here in a bit. I've been at this for 4 hours, I need to shower and rest my brain because it's been running a marathon)

Part A of the megapost: Dannex This is the first thing that pinged me, and I realize that it's the first post of theirs. I'm cutting out most of it because you can go back and find it pretty easy (page 1 walls, amirite). The main thing here is that this post is super high-effort. A lot of thought ostensibly went into this. And yet... it tells us nothing. It's completely irrelevant to the game as we don't have any widespread PMs, it's mostly just discussion of the roles and not thoughts on their function, and we've already hashed this out at least once (see the post before this). It reads to me like a very high-effort, low-value post, a post that 's supposed to looks solvey and towney but doesn't really accomplish anything. That pings me in all the wrong places. I don't like. But that's pretty NAI, right? Yeah. This is a strong point -- I don't know why you would automatically assume that there are PMs, especially since (I'm pretty sure) it's clear in the signups that there aren't. This is why I think there might be a PM slip here -- it feels to me like Dannex might be assuming that we have something (an exterior communication device) that we don't but they do. But again, that's just NAI; this is here mainly becuase I find it circumstantial. This is what gets me really invested here -- this is blatant powerhunting, and it's really bad. As others go on to point out, Vanilla should never do this as it just feeds info to Elim without telling anything useful to Town. As a side note, I will add that we should 100% be assuming there is some vanilla. Otherwise the town has 14-15 power roles, which is a lot a lot. You can't convince me that somewhere in here there are Nilla Wafer Town. A bad defense for a bad argument -- Yes, there is benefit to being willing to allow yourself to die for Town but we learn nothing from it at all. This is where we start hitting defensive/reflective/aggressive I think. The italics, the shade without voting (lets be real, there's a prime vote here and it's Conden, but more on that later) This is super deflective and aggressive. Spinning a pointed question back into the asker is really not good stuff, and doesn't help the case here, especially with how comparitavely gentle Shard's ask was. HEY NO Conden did NOT do this; the two posts in between these are meta/fluff (which I will go into in more detail in part 2). This is a blatant backtrack and trying to end a bus (again, more in a moment) I get that this, too, is somewhat jokey, but it's also a really aggressive shade that comes out of nowhere. This reads as both aggressive and dismissive in the same breath. "I'm not pushing for anything, that's ridiculous, besides I'm not even voting and have no PMs so what you're saying is false." Please note I have left posts #47 and #55 out of this wall, as I need to parse them together and am not ready to deal with that (need to rise and take a break after this set of posts). Suffice it to say they ping me pretty hard and I'm not 100% sure what to make of them yet.

Okay, I'm here I'm caught up I can't breathe good night y'all move like a freaking blue hedgehog Really sus of Conden's behavior right now, will explain in a min when I do my big "Dannex + Conden" post and am not summarizing Liranil pinged me with their re-entry, don't like, no FoS yet but I'm keeping an eye there. Quinn might have setup knowledge? Unsure, definitely second-guessing that but throwing it out there So much dumb fluff because I'm a dumb. Sorry, all. Striker's first post is just weird. Prob NAI, but it's odd. Okay, time to get busy, wall is 100% incoming so just hold on to your hats/hair/horses.

I'm caught up and close! Give me 5 minutes!

Yes I can, give me a few seconds as I am almost caught up.

Links added, and I was thinking the same thing; it would be more NAI if there wasn't a few other glaring problems.

Also to sheep is to just generally agree, but it often is paired with following wagons, yes.

Okay, hardread on Town!Illwei. Well played.

Okay, an hour and a snack-grab later I'm here with pages 3 and four. Here's the general overview I've got at this point: Dannex is no way not scum. Responses to their behavior have been deflective, unhelpful, and evasive; maybe even a little aggressive too. My vote is sticking until further notice. On top of this, I'm pretty sure either Conden or Shard is bussing, but it's not both and I'm leaning Conden. However, #89 makes me weirded out so I will continue to entertain. Also, Lotus, get your butt in here and explain #59!!! (Take your time, but I can't find words for how sus I am of this. FoS like nobody's watching here) Quinn, on the other hand, is almost certainly town and I will be sheeping. Leaning towards more and more town!IIllwei, so as a heads up; No. Dice is also really town to me Breaker, Gears are NAI If you ever want more detail come at me; I'm going post-by-post and typing my thoughts for every single one. I'm glad to review and discuss