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Everyone says they're village; I've indirectly done it like twice in my past two posts xD Seriously, though, I know from experience that exeing someone because they might be e/e with someone else doesn't turn out well unless one or both players are also independently sus and worth voting off.

...is it just me, or was that too easy. Yeah I think I'm just fine with my vote where it is. Current VC: TJ (1): Illwei Illwei (1): Szeth Mat (1): TJ Tani (2): Exp, Quinn Quinn (1): Illwei

...okay yeah y'know what Tani (Sart). This is just insane, because by making sure I'm not elim, you're also making sure I can't do my job. You're throwing out one of the most powerful village roles on the off chance that she's elim, when you have no actual reason to believe she is elim. LG74 had two elim investigators, but that was because the GM specifically wanted to go against the norm. The norm being, when there's an alignment-scanning role, there's a villager with that role. Extrapolating off of LG74 doesn't make sense because it wasn't a typical game. Voting me off in MR50 because the role distribution was such-and-such in LG74 doesn't make sense.

Okay what the heck you guys I now I have the most votes. Why are you trying to kill off your Investigator? Gears' ISO didn't even conclude I was elim, just said I was confusing and noted that if I'm elim, there are people to look at.

Azmine is also insane : P it should be Books (3): Quinn, Mat, Archer, [Szeth] Quinn (3): [Azmine], Books, Jondesu, Ash

...hmmm good point, actually. Yes, I was Brigged last cycle. Now that I think about it, that probably doesn't give the elims much info that they didn't have before... I mean, unless it wasn't because of IA that there was no elim kill C1. And since the Lab is sabotaged, they can't find the IA by scanning me even if they have a Biologist.

Either because I was blocked/protected or because for some reason I chose to scan someone else. Again, draw your own conclusions one way or another.

I do not currently know Gears' alignment. Draw your own conclusions : P

Well... I mean, voting someone for low/unsatisfactory activity worked out okay last time I did it, so Sart @Sart, any thoughts on... anything? : P

Agent isn't actually an engineer--they just appear that way to scans and upon hospitalization so that we don't immediately kill them So far, we've only lost two real engineers, and we could get one of them back.

Uhhh well it was from Illwei, so if you wanted to break the fourth wall, steal a Messenger from the other game, and have them send something to the dead doc, then maybe? But otherwise, no. Archer can confirm that I asked him to ask Gears to PM me, if you really don't trust that I'm telling the truth about something as small as this : P

Yes, I can confirm that I had a PM that said roughly that. Though, I could just as easily have confirmed that you used a Hidden Transcript, since I scanned you N1 : P

Unaccounted in what regard? If you're referring to the drop in activity, that was/(is?) due in part to my addiction to Netflix shows and in part to the other game that's started. If you're referring to actions, here are all of the actions I've taken this game: D1: Spied on Az and Illwei N1: Scanned Szeth D2: Spied on Illwei and Mat N2: Scanned Ash D3: Spied on Araris and Mat N3: Scanned Dannex D4: No action--at this point I didn't think PM-spying would really do anything. N4: Scanned Books.

Well that's a better outcome than a misexe, anyway. Any Doctors out there may wanna visit the hospital this cycle to save Jon. Engineers--if there are any left, that is--might wanna target the laboratory, so that we can get Biologist scans up and running for future elim kills.

My point, Mat, is that I would expect villagers to be focusing on the high(er) chance of hitting an elim within [me, Books], rather than trying to look outside those two--perhaps to protect a teammate? >> Obviously I wrote off Books as Danforth, because I know I'm not elim. You don't know that, so I can't fault you for voting me if you think I'm more likely to be Danforth than Books, but I can find it odd that you're ignoring the easiest opportunity to catch an elim, in favor of looking for one who may not even exist, depending on the number of elims at the start.

The point of Mat's thing isn't to convince the rest of us, it's to explain why he's voting the way he is. That being said, I don't necessarily agree with his choice of vote, since we have a pool of two people, one of whom must be elim. The logical thing to do would be to vote for one of those two people, rather than focusing on the rest of the group.

Well, I think that's how it works lol I know that engineers and sabotages can both mess with improvements, but idk whether it would work if they were both in the same turn... yeah.

Yeah, the original point was to get him to say something, but what he did say felt like... well, basically I also agree with Devo xD generally, Archer posts very little per cycle in terms of number of posts, but his posts are high-density, quality analysis (or RP), so it's impossible to forget he's in the game and most people count him as being on roughly the same level of activity as players like me/Mat/Illwei. This game, though, I was looking at the player list and was like "wait Archer's playing???" And honestly his response hasn't really changed that. Agent may have improved the same part that the elims sabotaged, or may have improved a part that an engineer targeted, or may be inactive.

*blink* I guess I forgot to post last turn, huh. Yes, Books did scan me (I scanned them). Also Books. The rest of you can flip as many coins as you want, but I have the fortunate advantage of knowing which of us is Danforth already I'd also be fine with voting out Mat, if that's the exe that gets more traction, but since Books is (for me) confirmed elim and Mat isn't, I'm putting my vote here first.

I won't be announcing beforehand whom I'm scanning, and I won't be taking suggestions. Though, given that I have no clue how to read you, I'll probably end up scanning you at some point if I survive long enough to do so : P (there are about 4 hrs 15 minutes left in the cycle) Also @DeTess and @StrikerEZ, if I were to scan the Agent, what would their role show up as? And their alignment, if I scanned a second time?

VC: Illwei (1): Szeth Exp (2): Matrim, Jondesu Tani (1): Gears Jondesu (1): TJ TJ (1): Illwei Archer (1): Quinn @Jondesu we have 15.5 hours left, which is not "a couple" even if you consider that people in my timezone and thereabouts will be sleeping for some of them. I'm gonna throw a vote on Archer (@Archer) because I've noticed he's been uncharacteristically quiet this turn. If it comes down to it, I'll vote Exp to avoid a tie/near tie, but tbh I don't even remember what they did that was suspicious, which imo means it probably wasn't enough to actually warrant being voted off after C1 : P

On the contrary, I at least am not treating Gears any differently. I always ignore it when people claim elim, jokingly or apparently seriously. Edit: Except, I should add, when they claim because they've been found out anyway--in which case, it's still ignoring because I would have assumed them to be elim whether they'd said anything or not. Edit #2: @Matrim's Dice here's a VC: Illwei (1): Szeth Exp (1): Matrim Tani (1): Gears Gears (1): Jondesu Jondesu (1): TJ

*sigh* in this particular case I have to strongly disagree with you, because Gears is RPing as one of the Saboteurs, and like... it'd be kind of unfair to outlaw RPing a certain character/POV imo. In other cases, where he's claiming elim OOC, I kind of get it, but also it's not really a big deal? idk. Like I don't see what the problem with saying you're elim is, because it's equally nonsensical for either alignment to do it, meaning that it's NAI. Treating it as if it should be AI (or forbidden) just doesn't make sense to me; if other people want to claim elim then it's really not that hard to just ignore it in serious analysis. A. Devo had the exact same response I did for the me/Gears e/e thing lol B. The point of my claiming and asking for protection isn't to actually get protection--it's to keep the elims from attacking me. They (and I) don't know whether Internal Affairs will actually protect me or not. That's up to the person or people with that role to decide. However, so long as the elims know there's a higher than average chance that I'll have protection, they'll be wary of attacking me because doing so might backfire on them and prolong their win-con--something they already have had to deal with once, it seems, and probably aren't eager to have happen again. Sabotaging the Brig is one way to get around that, obviously, but that was always going to be a problem; I doubt that village Internal Affairs was going to not protect people just because the Brig might be sabotaged that cycle.

He didn't really, though. Anyone could have narrowed it down to either Internal Affairs or Investigator, both of which are targets for the elims. I was contemplating revealing anyway and asking for protection, but I wasn't sure whether it would be better to stay silent and hope the elims didn't realize. Really the person who forced me to reveal was whoever shone the ship's spotlights on me : P I'm more inclined to trust Gears than suspect him, so I'm not going to reveal his role for now. Current VC: Illwei (1): Szeth Exp (1): Matrim Tani (1): Gears Gears (2): TJ, Jondesu I don't really understand why @|TJ| and @Jondesu are voting for Gears. What would an elim have to gain by intentionally revealing that they have knowledge of another player's role? It makes the elim in question more suspicious if that player dies to the NK, and calling attention to the fact that that player has an important role makes it more likely that they'll be protected, which in turn makes it harder to kill them. As far as I can tell, Gears forced me to claim because A. I could be elim and B. if I'm not elim, I may already have a huge target on my back and my claiming will at least make the elims think twice about immediately attacking me. It's annoying because now it means I won't necessarily be able to scan people (which is why I sounded kind of annoyed when I claimed :P), but I'll still submit a scan each cycle on the off chance no one's protecting me. In the end, Gears probably just bought me a few more cycles of life, so I'm inclined to read him village for that. No, it's a Gears move. This kind of thing is why I find it so hard to read him