Quintessential

Just now, Illwei said:

I guess this will end up looking really bad if szeth flips elim, but right now the evidence i see against him is a tunnel, and in terms of tunnels, az's is more....interesting. can i convince any of you to switch? :P.

... okay that's the second time.

Er uhhh hmmm actually Azmine (Szeth) I have weird gut on Azmine, idk : P also Illwei knows him and says he's acting weird so eh. 

Just now, Illwei said:

@Quintessential, you can unvote devo now :P. 

lol way ahead of you

1 minute ago, |TJ| said:

If things stand as it is, I'll be retracting my vote in self-preservation (never thought I'd be hearing that sentence from someone, much less saying it xD) at the end of the cycle.

Here: Szeth (Devo) so you can retract without tying it.

8 hours ago, Illwei said:

For now, Quinn didn't engage with anything in the beginning, which is strange, and and Exp just...doesn't look right, though that's not...anything... :P. 

I'm working on studying for finals rn so I definitely have less energy/brainpower to put into these games : P

12 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

Lol, if I had access to an Elim doc, I’d have done a lot better so far!

(I can confirm that this is not, in fact, a true statement )

Just now, Archer said:

Jondesu, Quinn is confirmed evil. They're the only one who hasn't gone insane, meaning they must be Danforth. Why would you prefer to exe a possible elim over a confirmed one with vote manipulation powers? 

lol fun as it would be for me to be Danforth, I told you the truth. I'm literally just vanilla. It was a nice assumption to think Danforth was definitely 100% in the game, but apparently that assumption was wrong : P (this is like LG75 all over again smh)

2 minutes ago, Archer said:

Quinn should vote for a villager, and manip my vote to copy hers. Her teammate will secretly vote for the same person. So I can't afford to double, and we can't afford any dissent. They're going to have three votes on a villager, we need all of ours on her. That forces a 3:3 tie, which is better than a 3:2:1 elim controlled exe. 

For all you know, Danforth!me would vote my teammate until the last minute, and my teammate would vote me. We would both coordinate to hammer another villager last-minute, with me manipping someone's vote onto them to tie it.

However, since I'm not Danforth, that hypothetical is irrelevant!  

12 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Quinn! What pleadest thou?!

Innocent on all counts! 

Szeth's claim of Surveyor, assuming he was telling the truth, makes me think he could be our last elim--or one of the last two, anyway.

1 minute ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

Quinn, for obvious reasons.

*sigh* as I keep saying, I'm not Danforth. Apparently, no one is.

10 minutes ago, Elandera said:

I would need agreement from all players before I halved a day no matter the situation.

I mean, I'm fine with halving the Day, but I'm still not Danforth  I love how you're all assuming there has to be a Danforth in the game... 

1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

How many votes did you think were on Tani? You had to know she was the main exe, especially since Bip posted a vote count two posts above yours.

It was more that I was on right as votes were changing, so I thought they might keep changing. Also, I thought I'd be back on before rollover but I wasn't : P

1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Elim!Illwei probably could have gotten away with killing Mat or Az along with Tani, assuming either of those are village. On the other hand, I was going to say village Illwei who actually thought Mat or Az were better choices could have switched to those, but they weren't especially viable choices when she first voted Randby. Matrim became reasonable 36 minutes before rollover while Az had a chance as of 16 minutes before. That also means that Quinn preferred Tani to die over Mat, since if she wanted Tani to live so close to rollover she would have voted for the player with the most votes. Illwei still could have switched to either Az or Mat, but they would have needed Quinn or Bip's help to avoid a tie.

I preferred Az over Mat because Mat has been more active and since I didn't have much on either of them, I would prefer to kill the less active one. I wasn't on after I voted Az, so I didn't realize that Tani was going to die if I didn't switch--I would have preferred Mat over her, as it happens.

15 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Keep in mind that for the Elim team we're looking for someone who made sure to get rid of the engineers. 

...two of the three engineers who've died were exed, and there was no way the elims knew that TUO or Jondesu were engineers at the very least. If they have an Investigator, they could have known about Tani, but then you have a pretty limited suspect list of people-who-voted-for-Tani if you're going based on that assumption. And besides, what elim team wouldn't want to get rid of engineers?

Edit: Wait wait wait and how did they know that they could attack Jondesu??? They wouldn't have known he was coming back from the hospital, right?

2 minutes ago, Archer said:

Oi! I have PM convos with you to analyze now. Also, I'm totally going to consider you not making PMs AI from now on so that you'll be forever forced to PM spider in every game from here on in.

Please don't : P that's actually a thing that I intend to keep doing in all of my games, and have intended to do for a while : P

@Illwei You're correct, Azmine has only voted for you this game. 

Edit: And I'll wait to respond to that bit about activity until I actually have time to put together post-counts : P

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Theres going to be reasons to kill a lot of people sooner or later. Sure dont share or whatnot, but I dont think it matters too much. Idk. Their choice to kill Jon again is interesting, they really dont want things fixed.

Yeah, there's going to be reasons to kill people, but I'd rather not make more reasons.

Also I don't really get the votes on Randby. They're not the only inactive player in this game, so A. why is everyone focusing on them exclusively and not pressuring the other inactives (Exp, Devo, Sart, etc.) and B. unlike the three I just named, Randby didn't realize the game existed, and now has to catch up, which is... y'know, pretty good reason for not posting : P

Actually, Devo. @Devotary of Spontaneity. Both to pressure a (relative) inactive and because of a vote thing from C1--they followed Jondesu and Tani onto Gears (note that all three of those are villagers). Doesn't seem that odd of a thing, but it reminds me of LG73!Devo. Not much to go on, I know, but I don't know who else to vote here : P

Just now, Illwei said:

How though? It doesnt make a difference whether you were brigged or not, which i still stand by that its just as dangerous to be brigged as to not be brigged. 

Yes, it does make a difference. Not because of danger to me, but because of danger to the people I scan. For example:

Let's say I'd refused to say whether I was brigged or not this cycle. Since I was willing to say last cycle, that implies that I wasn't brigged this cycle (which I wasn't). Since I scanned Gears first cycle, it would make most sense for me to also have scanned Gears this cycle (which I did). And since I didn't immediately say Gears was elim, that means Gears is village. (on the assumption that I'm village, that is. If I were elim, it would mean I was scanning other people and didn't want to say so). 

Since anyone could make that leap of logic, and some people probably would, it paints a target on Gears's back because suddenly there's more reason for villagers to trust him. As does me saying I was able to scan, but not saying who I scanned, or saying that I scanned Gears, but not giving away the result (which is practically the same as saying he's village :P). 

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Throwing shade on me for asking you whether or not you were brigged? Because thats so different than gears outing you, and less useful because of course no one was thinking abiut how an Elim investigator wouldnt need to know alignments, so theyd scan someone once and move on.

*sigh* sorry, not shade, should have clarified. I'm just frustrated that you had to ask that, since everyone else seemed to get that doing so would put me in a rather awkward situation. Felt like I couldn't not answer, so... yeah.

So I think we might be out of engineers now.

Also, as it turns out, my having been outed as Investigator is quite frustrating, and has been made infinitely worse by @Illwei forcing me to say whether I was Brigged or not last cycle. Because it means I can't really do my job (my being outed, and my being forced to say every little thing I do and that is done to me). I'm guessing I'll be blocked/protected every other cycle or so, with some variation to keep the elims on their toes, which means I can scan people about half as fast as I would have otherwise. And not only that, but I'm expected to say which cycles I was blocked. That's not a problem for the cycles where I am blocked, but what about when I'm not? Every time I'm not blocked, you guys are going to want to know what my scan result was, and even if the village is content to let me keep it a secret, the elims have plausible grounds to pressure me into revealing my results, no matter how many times I say that it paints a target on a villager's back. 

So, in conclusion: I will give that information this cycle, as a proof-of-Investigator-ness, but after this I will only reveal whether I scanned, who I scanned, and/or the results of those scans if I found an elim or if a person I know to be village (or to have an important and probably village role) is about to be exed.

Sound good?

Okay, cool. I wasn't blocked this cycle, and Gears is a vanilla villager. Sorry, Gears.

Just now, Azmine_king said:

Soooooo... If you were to pick a third player any idea who that might be

Mmmm let's go with Archer  he's been so nice to me this game... I basically sat still and he walked right up to me and dived headfirst into my pocket smh 

*sigh* tbh I don't like doing this but Tani because... idk. But this doesn't feel like it's getting us anywhere, really. I... hmmm. I don't have enough time to actually sit down and make an informed decision about who to vote right now... So I'll choose Azmine. Mat/Illwei have both pointed out that Az's inactivity is somewhat unusual for them, and tbh I don't have much else to go on.

8 hours ago, Archer said:

-Hey Quinn, if you were to have two players on your tennis team, who would you pick and why?

Araris and Vonne, because they're the only two people in this game who haven't had "brutally murdering me" as one of their life goals.

Not that that means I'm elim or anything  

11 minutes ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

Quinn first

No, Szeth first! C'mon, even if you believe I'm Danforth (which I'm obviously not), Szeth is clearly still more of a threat! I mean, all of Danforth's actions have a 20% chance of failing, and their vote-manip isn't particularly useful if all the villagers vote for the same person. Besides which, I'm not Danforth, so obviously Szeth is a higher-priority target  

6 minutes ago, Azmine_king said:

Quinn dies tomorrow

Why me? 

Edit: @Ashbringer Because I'm not Danforth, obviously!

24 minutes ago, Biplet said:

I just have to really strongly disagree with this. With such a limited number of players, I can't imagine a good reason to advocate for allowing ties. There's a chance of hitting an elim with one, but the chances of removing two villagers is much higher. I'm reading Quinn mild elim for this, but...

Nah, I stand by that. Which is for two reasons: I like to use votes in analysis, and in a game with no vote-manip and ties-kill-all-players, the information that you can get from votes when there's a near tie is a lot more solid. And also, I've been elim in a game where ties killed all players and it was a problem for my team early on but then became an asset later. So I repeat, early on in the game, I think it can be useful to have that sabotage in place. Later on it's definitely a problem and if there are engineers still out there, they should definitely fix it.

27 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Yeaah, this really ain't it. It really reads like what Illwei says below. That line of thinking is very much self preservative in the season that it's likely to have come from an elim mindset. You aren't thinking of catching elims or finding suspicion. You seem to care more about how you look when someone flips and it definitely feels like a vote to make you look good. 

I would point out that I could see v!Tani voting me to try to make it evident that we're not e/e (something I've done, or at least been tempted to do, in the past)... but that's also not really how she phrased it.