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  1. Quintessential
    That's fair; I don't know that it'll be really feasible to convince everyone to message the person below them in the list or whatever, but I s'pose I wouldn't mind asking everyone to say who they're PMing, just so that no one doubles up. (I decided to PM @Archer at some point between getting my GM PM and the thread being posted) Oooo I like this lol
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    Okay, first of all @Dannex is definitely village XD this reminds me of QF50!Dannex and MR46!Dannex so much. Also that's a rather strong stance to take so early. So. Village on Dannex Second of all, there isn't much that PMs can actually do in this game, since there are no important roles, so all you can do is privately discuss suspicions basically. Which is... I mean, yeah, that's useful, but each of us are each going to have at least one person to do that with--one person of our choosing--no matter how we organize or don't organize. So I don't think it's really a big deal if we don't organize, because we'll get most of the benefit that PMs offer even if we don't.
  3. Quintessential
    Let's start this off with a poke vote on Liranil! I will be keeping track of every stated vote and unvote in-thread. If anything doesn't line up, I will be the first and most vocal to point it out So basically, villagers please state all your votes and unvotes accurately! If you do, it'll force the elims to do likewise or expose themselves, at least until ExLo. (this is partially in response to @Archer's thing about votes. Stating top three suspicions is alright too ig. I'll keep track of those somehow xD) I also already know who I'm PMing (no it's not Illwei or Gears before you ask : P). Agree with Archer's guess for team size. If there are 4 elims then they could win in three cycles if they get a villager exed each cycle (which, let's face it, is typically how it goes C1-C3), so 3 elims seems much more realistic to me.
  4. Quintessential
    Oof, guess I may have to double-post after all then. Current player list: Connie Books Quinn Araris Forge TJ I'm assuming that two of the five non-me people are elims--we know they didn't start with five because this would be parity if they had, and given that the elims had a vanilla, I highly doubt they started with three. Of course, only one of those two is going to be submitting the kill, so I have a 1/5 chance of hitting the right person (RNG says Books ). Not great odds, but maybe I can increase them somewhat? ISO of Ash: So, in summary, Ash's interactions with each other currently living non-me person: Araris: voted Whysper at Araris's request in C3, when he could have voted Araris instead and saved Whysper. Read Araris village in C4, said that he didn't want to exe any of me/Striker/Araris (and Araris is the only one not confirmed village in there), and says he definitely won't vote on Araris multiple times in both C4 and C5. TJ: Points out that TJ and Whysper were awfully quick to take sides in the C1 Highprince debate, village-read on TJ C2, votes with Whysper and TJ on Books for a while C3 (would be kinda weird for 3/4 of the team to be the only people voting on someone? idk), more serious "suspicion" of TJ in C4 (listing him in his top 3 suspicions and stuff like that) but doesn't vote TJ in spite of that, says that he'd be okay with exeing TJ, ties TJ and Connie together repeatedly as a kind of... excuse to exe neither of them?, later says he would vote TJ if someone could distinguish him from Connie somehow (I promptly gave a couple of rather large differences, which... he didn't respond to). Connie: listed Connie in top 3 suspicions C4, then backed off a bit and focused more on Striker and TJ, continues to focus more on TJ than Connie... yeah that's basically it. Books: Kind-of defends Books from Whysper in C2 or C3 (I don't remember which : P), votes Books at a time when it gives Araris the opportunity to save himself by voting Books, hedged on a Books read by saying he wanted to do more analysis on them, later said he doesn't want to exe Books (or Araris, or Forge, coincidentally(?) the same three people who voted with Ash on both Whysper and Striker), uses a kind of process of elimination to narrow down the people he would vote on to Striker and Books (who happened to be the two with the most votes at the time) and then votes Striker, which broke a tie betwen Striker and Books. Forge: calls her genuine, doesn't want to vote her, doesn't think she's elim because she doesn't have ties to much (though of course she doesn't because she doesn't talk much >>) Based on that, the teams I could see are: Whysper/Ash/Araris/Books Problems: Well, actually, tbh I can't think of any serious problems with this team as an option. It would explain why none of the Whysper voters have been NK'd yet--because the only villager voting her is the newbie--and it would explain why Ash bussed Whysper instead of voting Araris and saving Whysper, and it would explain why Araris shifted the vote to Whysper instead of voting off Books, and so on. The one thing, I guess, is why did Ash, Whysper, and Araris all vote Books at various points in time, but since their only reason for doing so, really, was "inactivity", they might have seen it as an easy distancing vote ig. Whysper/Ash/Books/Connie Problems: Why didn't Ash vote Araris instead of Whysper in C3? Why did he steer the conversation away from the Triple Threat if all of us were village? Whysper/Ash/Books/Forge Problems: Again, why didn't Ash (and Forge) vote Araris instead of Whysper in C3? Why did he steer the conversation away from the Triple Threat if all of us were village? Why was he so non-committal about TJ and Connie when both were village? Whysper/Ash/Araris/TJ Problems: Why did Araris shift the vote onto Whysper C3 instead of voting Books? Why hasn't Books been NKd yet? Why did Ash sus TJ more than Connie? And of course, this leaves me wanting to block one of [Araris, Books, Connie, Forge, TJ], which is exactly where I was before : P the only thing I can really say is that Connie, TJ, and Forge all seem like less likely candidates to me, and that Connie and TJ don't seem like they're elims together. Yeah I just don't know... there's more analysis that I could do, but it feels like no matter what I keep coming back to Araris/Books. Only now I'm confused because Araris keeps hinting that he's Dalinar, and Books doesn't necessarily make sense with Ash and Whysper. But all the other teams just don't fit right with the votes from C3. But on the other hand, Araris has been off all game--things like assuming the alignments of people we have no reason to assume about, saying he's glad he voted a confirmed villager instead of someone who hadn't flipped yet and who (from a village POV) could have been elim, voting active players C1, and so on. Hence my bad gut read of him. And Araris makes most sense with Books, whom he and Ash have both conveniently been defending and who for some reason wasn't NKd after getting Whysper voted off >>. This is probably some amount of conf-bias talking, but at the same time, how many coincidences have to line up before I'm justified in paying attention to them? *rubs eyes* anyway I'm tired and don't really want to keep thinking about this anymore, so I'm blocking Books. Because A. they're in more of my teams-most-likely than Araris and make sense as elim even if Araris isn't one, B. I've expressed more suspicion of Araris than of Books so IKYK amirite? and C. RNGesus decreed it A note from me of several hours later (I wrote this this morning): I'm less certain about my decision now, but I'm sticking with it. If I'm wrong, we still have a chance... maybe... yeah idk. If Araris is actually village we might, or if everyone else suddenly decides to be active? Anyway, this is the best I could do on my own. Hopefully it was enough.
  5. Quintessential
    C1: Araris C2: Archer C3: Striker C4: Araris C5: Ash (and yes, I'll say who I'm blocking in the last-minute post lol) Edit: er... @TJ Shade or @Araris Valerian or someone, mind posting so that I don't have to double-post? I mean, ig that's probably not a formality I really need to observe, but still. Edit: Also it's probably too late for this but TJ, Araris, @Condensation@forget me not, and @Flyingbooks (sorry for weird formatting) if it were up to you who to roleblock, who would you pick?
  6. Quintessential
    And gives the elims a second important person to kill. Because Dalinar is guaranteed village vote-manip, and if things get messy next Day that could be crucial one way or another. It could be a good idea still, though.
  7. Quintessential
    Between me and Striker sure. I still dunno about you...
  8. Quintessential
    Okay. Cool. So we all agree I'm village now? I'm... not sure what to say here. I'll try to figure out who to block ig. If I don't guess right then I'm dead, unless the village Bodyguard that may or may not exist feels like protecting me. Yeah. I guess I should probably compose my most current suspicions so that you guys have them to work off of in case I die tonight, but I don't want to post them before the very end of the turn because I worry that'll give away who I'm blocking : P
  9. Quintessential
    (note that the game is based on Scadrial, not Roshar, though of course if your character is a worldhopper, that doesn't matter all that much )
  10. Quintessential
    Of course! Welcome to SE (since I'm not running the game, I can't add you to the player list, but the GM should wake up in a couple hours and he'll add you then lol)
  11. Quintessential
    Technically, no. But if I am elim then... Note that there was no NK. If I'm on the team, you can be pretty sure that the elims wouldn't all have forgotten to NK someone, because I'd have done it even if the others weren't on. And there's no way I'd hold off on purpose, because all we'd have had to do to win was kill a villager. Therefore, the person who submitted the kill must have been blocked (since protection would, I presume, show up in the write-up). So if I'm on the team, that means that there's a village roleblocker out there who blocked either me or one of my teammates but hasn't come forward to challenge my roleblocking claim with their own yet for some reason. And everyone's posted by now, while no one's said anything, so... yeah. Take that how you will.
  12. Quintessential
    Cuz I blocked his action last Night and there wasn't an NK. So either they forgot to submit the action, which I find unlikely, or I blocked the elim submitting it--which is Ash. (well, or I'm lying, I suppose : P)
  13. Quintessential
    but everyone would know who that one person is, so the elims could kill them to take out all PMs. Alternatively, that one person is elim... Okay but enough strategy discussion lol
  14. Quintessential
    The only reason I can think of that a pinch hitter would be killed is if nobody's sure of their alignment, and knowing their alignment would clear or condemn one or more players who do count for parity. But other than that they aren't really meant to die--the point is to have the same number of people contributing to the discussion throughout the game, while also having somewhat of a process of elimination with a narrowing pool of people who count for parity.
  15. Quintessential
    Oh please no can we just exe Ash? If we try to tie it with someone, and that person turns out to be village, then the elims can keep votes on Ash for a while, switch last-minute, kill the villager, and win.
  16. Quintessential
    Oh, right, voting xD Ash
  17. Quintessential
    So I guess I blocked the right person then. Unless somebody being attacked who had protection wouldn't show up in the rollover? Anyway, I blocked Ash.
  18. Quintessential
    [1] tbh that's mostly in there because A. flavor and B. it was the idea I started with, and the rest built off of it. I could always take it out and have the council be voting on something else that's unrelated to the Diem and the Lord Mastrell lol [2] Not quite sure what you mean : P [3] Confirmed evil is allowed to vote. [4] That's just the flavor lol. The actual wincon is more or less the same as any normal game. The village wins if they kill all the original elims. The elims win if their original members outnumber the original village that's left. [5] No, it's functionally 6 v. 3 except the elims get a -1 for parity. They have three votes in-thread but only two members who count directly for the wincon. [6] they don't in this game, because the village will still likely have a majority of the votes, just not of the players that count for parity. So even if there are the same number of original elims left as original villagers, it'll still take effort to get a misexe. [7] I have no idea where you're getting that the pinch hitters can't vote : P I literally said they can at one point in that doc. They can do everything a normal player can, just that they don't count directly towards the numbers for either win condition. [8] The alignment reroll is because people replacing in would be confirmed one way or another otherwise. This way, they're not worth killing but they can't be trusted just because the person they replaced was village (and they can probably be trusted even if the person they replaced was elim). So they can still participate in the debate without overpowering the elims with confirmed village opinions, essentially. So... basically: when someone dies, the player is removed from the game and is now dead. Their seat on the council no longer counts for parity. A new person, who has a 1/5 chance of being elim, fills that seat. They can do everything a normal player can, and they win or lose with the team they're on, even if they die. They just don't count for the final tally that determines when win conditions have been met.
  19. Quintessential
    I'm noticing that in most games, if the village doesn't find an elim in the first couple of cycles (and sometimes even if they do), they end up losing simply because as their numbers decrease towards the end, inactivity becomes more and more of a problem, discussion stalls, etc. Actually, it sometimes seems like the beginning of each game has the opposite problem: too many people to keep track of, way too easy to slip under the radar, etc. So... I made this. It was originally supposed to be just a response to the fact that less than 1/4 of the games that have been run since I joined were won by the village, but it morphed into more addressing what I think might be part of the cause of that. Er... Lemme know what you think xD it's definitely... different.
  20. Quintessential
    Right, well since it's probably obvious to the elims anyway, I've been blocking every Night and haven't had the chance to purchase anything. So... if there is a Bodyguard out there, I'm someone that the elims know isn't protected already... yeah. of course, this could turn into an IKYK reallll easy xD
  21. Quintessential
    Oh, a character: I'll play as Tesse Mourn (again). Presumably this is happening at some point between her adventures in Fallion's Tears and her attempts to stop the Straff and Cett armies xD
  22. Quintessential
    ...what is there to explain? He and I sheeped each other a bunch for some reason and distrusted each other for it, but while we distrusted each other it was basically a choice between always voting each other and hoping the other was village while pursuing our other suspicions (since those suspicions all lined up). Then last cycle I realized if he were elim, he could have moved his vote to save Whysper on C3 (he was on at the time and he didn't). And when I said as much, he decided that didn't make sense as something a villager would say so he decided to trust me a bit more too. Little too late tho... : P that was sarcasm lol But I would assume that Dalinar is on the Striker train and the C3 Whysper train, since they're all the same people. : P whether it's because you were voting those two people or not, idk.
  23. Quintessential
    What happened? Why didn't the document work? did he not have one? I didn't block him, so unless the elims have an RBer and were blocking him... anyway, we lose tonight so it's a mute point unless I can guess who'll be submitting the kill or the person they target happens to have protection. And even then, if they have an RBer then they can block me... Edit: well that was nice of whoever Dalinar is, making it extra sure Elhokar would die >>
  24. Quintessential
    Okay so I'm back (just in time) You guys this is a mistakeeeee why are you doing this please switch...
  25. Quintessential
    I may not be around for the rest of the cycle unfortunately, so Books (Connie). It doesn't look like voting Connie is going to save Striker, and I'm still holding out hope there'll be a last-minute switch to Books... however unlikely that may be : P
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