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4 hours ago, beewall said:
Eh, there's some really big differences there. Most obvious one being that Honorblades still provide Surges just fine. Splintering also is most likely very different from deadeyeing, so I'm not sure how comparable I think the situations are.
Yes they still do, but thats caused by the oaths not by the blades. To get surges you bond with a spren, a deadeyes/shardblade is not bonded in the same way which is why they dont provide surges. Honorn being splintered is different to a Deadeyes it was more a comparison of less is provided because something is broken. But i think the distinction here is that you dont think splinter does anything beyond the removal of a vessel where as I think it will reduce the capacity to draw directly from the shard as there is no vessel to allow it and the power is splintered (seperated, diffused, broken up etc). Why i think splintering doesnt affect the system as a whole is because the power is still in the system, its just broken up, but we dont have any references yet in book so I may be wrong.
4 hours ago, beewall said:I mean, what I'm saying is I don't know that I agree lol (beyond the general "makes it harder to Ascend to the full power"). Maybe some things would be affected, but personally, I don't think very much will.
I guess well just have to disagree, i dont think theres any WoB on in book references either way.
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21 minutes ago, beewall said:
I mean, that's my point. There's some potentially big differences.
I dont see how this is different, its the same functionallity as a spren, if Syl gets to far from Kaladin she thinks like a rock and he flys like one. Whats changed is not how the Honorblades function its that like a shardblade connects to a dead eyes, they connect to something broken, albiet broken differently.
21 minutes ago, beewall said:To attempt to prevent someone from Ascending to the full Shard. (Which seems to possibly be failing, considering what Dalinar seems to be up to.) Just because it doesn't break Honorblades doesn't mean it does nothing.
Thats what im saying splintering Honor has effects on Honors abilities, given that the Honorblades are to Honor what sprenblades are to spren and shardblades are to deadeyes, then the Honorblades still function they just join to a splintered power now hence theyre not as powerful as when Honor was not splintered.
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19 minutes ago, beewall said:
It's probably similar, but there's probably some important differences (for example, I doubt Honor had to constantly follow the Heralds around, because that sounds like an easy way to get distracted and become vulnerable).
They hold a literal piece of honor, thats why when they dont have the honor blades they dont have the surgebinding. This stops Honor from having to follow them around.
19 minutes ago, beewall said:Why would it be diminished? To quote Brandon (first part may be about R&P, not Honor, not sure because he kind of swapped midway through the full WoB),
Because Honor is splintered, in pieces, less than whole.
19 minutes ago, beewall said:Also, other things Honor did or presumably did (Oathpact, binding Odium, the storm providing Stormlight) seem to work just fine as they are.
Given we dont really have examples its hard to say it works as well, but they are functional. The Honorblades are still functional, im sure they still offer connection to Honor as well but as Honor is splintered that connection doesnt equal free stormlight/investiture or at least not to thr same magnitude. After all why shatter Honor if it achieves nothing?
19 minutes ago, beewall said:Why even have that line if the answer is just "SF is wrong, there's nothing special useful", then?
Because it builds suspense, theres always another secret. The Honorblades providing connection to Honor is significant, particularly as connection gets explored further. It doesnt necissarialry make them more powerful in the blow more stuff up way. And the Stormfather has been wrong before, hes a grumpy old man that likes to scare people away with vastness him saying theres more that you dont know is very Stormfather.
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42 minutes ago, beewall said:
I mean, he says it is "a little" like that, which is pretty vague. There's also this line from the Stormfather (OB 16):
Unless an Honorblade makes you a Cognitive Shadow (which feels extremely unlikely to me), this most likely (in my opinion) refers to the direct Stormlight conduit.
What other in universe comparison do we have of a shard powering an individual, he likely gave less power but unless another example can be shown, its better to assume it matches the already established mechanics especially with no contradictory evidence.
This WoB indicates the most dangerous thing about an honor blade is the lack of oaths. And from the WoB in my previous reply the honorblades are pieces of honor (as are the spren to a lesser extent given cultivation), so its stands that they procide connection to honors power even if it is splintered. The stormfather may also not understand that now that Honor is shattered the Honorblades may act differently.
I certainly agree that honorblades where the conduit and key to honors power for the heralds, ie the specific blade keyed the power and the blades connection to honor provided the power, however, since honor is now splintered i dont think the power part functions as well (there is possibly some ability to draw stormlight from shattered honor if you know how but given honors shattered this will almost certainly be diminished)
QuoteBrandon Sanderson
A full-blown Radiant can heal almost anything (cut from a Shardblade included) because of the way the magic works--their soul is literally bonded to Investiture, and it suffuses them in such a way that even the soul is very resilient to damage.
Honorblades are what you'd consider a "prototype" for what eventually happened with Shardblades. An Honorblade can be used by anyone, without need for oaths, which makes them very dangerous--but since the bond isn't as deep, they are far less efficient. They use more Stormlight, for example, and can't heal to the extent that a Radiant can.
So the difference is not in the device that did the damage, but in the method using to heal. Over the course of the first two book, the reader should be able to subtly pick out differences from what Szeth says is possible (in more than just healing) and what Kaladin experiences.
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17 minutes ago, beewall said:
I mean, that's not what that WoB says at all.
Nowhere does it say that that power can't be used now.
Given Honor is now splintered and its likely their levels of raw power csme via a direct link circa a certain mistborn spoiler. It seems probable that the heralds now no longer have that level of power. While this isnt conclusive it is where the evidence points.
QuoteSteeldancer
The Heralds, back before Honor died, were they directly powered by Honor?
Brandon Sanderson
Yes. You’ll find out more about that, but the Shardblades [pretty sure he means Honorblades here] were pieces of Honor’s soul that he gave them and direct access to his essence.
Steeldancer
Like Vin and Elend?
Brandon Sanderson
Yeah, a little like that. That’s why Honorblades don’t work like Shardblades do, like Radiants do.
Steeldancer
The second part of the question is, what would happen if they were directly powered by Honor and they were holding Nightblood?
Brandon Sanderson
RAFO
SpoilerElend with the power from preservation or Marsh with the power from ruin
This WoB also indicates (its paraphrased so grain of salt) that the heralds have no innate power, indicating they access investiture the same as anyone else could.
QuoteSeonid (paraphrased)
I asked him to tell me about one of the Herald's innate powers.
Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)
They have none.
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33 minutes ago, ggscv said:
It wasn't something like voidlight, it was a spren that it held for 6 years. Voidlight or stormlight likely would have leaked out by then. It's almost certain that Nem would have recognised the gem as a perfect gem if it was one.
Yer she did recognize it, by saying on a two second look with a low quality tool that the gem was practically flawless with out then pointing to any flaws, she also went to the point of calling someone over to show how flawless it was who was excited to examine it with a higher quality tool. How can you say it would have leaked? Based on what observation in book, Nem said it was possible for stormlight to be held for years in the gem. I think its likely a fused or odium spren. But Nems assessment doesnt indicate that the gem isnt flawless, she was even excited to get better equipment to examine it, you dont do that for just any gem.
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8 minutes ago, IcaroRibeiro said:
But the fact she has hidden truths is not the problem, what I find quite annoying is the fact we already look at her past, the moment to reveal her secrets in past was book 2, and she used it to progress until the third ideal. There is no requirement of the truths to be exactly related to the past, I thought Shallan 4th and 5th ideals would be focused on her current actions and decisions and her past was finished for good. Just like Dalinar past was quite finished in last book and his next oaths are more likely related with his current actions
Perhaps her final truth is linked with current events and to share it in the flashbacks from book 2 would spoil it. The flashbacks are not a complete history, their flashbacks to key events, not the characters history, there are countless things missing from Dalinars or even Kaladins flashbacks.
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3 hours ago, Vasherin said:
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying that it’s not making for an interesting read for me right now.
I am on board with what you’re saying about Kaladin and accept that it makes sense from a storytelling perspective even if I think the point is hammered home too often. It’s frustrating to read but the pay off will probably be worth it.
Shallan being in the exact same position as she was at the beginning of Words of Radiance in regards to actively avoiding memories of a childhood trauma is just not good writing in my opinion. Not to retread what I’ve said but it retroactively lessens the impact and purpose of Words of Radiance in my mind. I’m not saying it’s a flaw in how her trauma is depicted but I just think that moving the goalposts at this point is lazy at best and a rehash at worst.
The characters in this book have had plenty of internal conflict and I understand that it’s a running theme and pretty much a prerequisite for radiance. I am just finding it exhausting to read about at this point. A brief respite while they deal with more external issues would be appreciated. There are also other ways for their internal issues to manifest rather than the same thing happening multiple times.
At the end of the day Brandon might well blow my mind with Shallan’s past to the point that I can forgive the cheap tactic and I’m sure Kaladin’s 4th ideal will be suitably epic (or, preferably though improbably, his descent into becoming Odium’s champion). I just had to speak my mind on this because I’m really not enjoying this aspect of RoW so far.
12 minutes ago, IcaroRibeiro said:Shallan arc is becoming less and less convincing and from a narrative perspective is not cool establish her flashbacks in book 2 only to now state she actually has even deeper secrets not explained in her own book
But at least her psychological issue entertains (is anyone really not liking her multiple personality jokes? I find the writing really fun) and is working well as plot-device. She has a clear arc and direction and all things considered she truly feels like a key character in the big scheme of things
Kaladin plot at this point is just miserable circle of pain and suffering, it has not being fun for quite sometime already, his chapters were already my least favorite in Oathbringer and I'm sure they will be again in ROW. I also understand what Sanderson wants to do with him and I respect his decision as an author, I just hope this boy find some happiness in his life he does not deserve, really looking forward for him to overcome his darkness
Ill quote you bth because i feel you grasping on the same underlying issue. Brandon very early established 5 oaths, and that for lightweavers 4 of these are hard truthes about the radiant. How then is Shallan having another secret either a suprise or poor writing? As others have pointed out this truth may be about something done to her not by her.
Also i will note, this is epic fantasy, was Rands growth finished in book 2? Did Frodo not change through out LOTR, character development is as intrinsic to epic fantasy as the fantastical elements.
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So what youre saying is you would really rather that Brandon not so accuratley depict depression or trauma. Because the issues you raise with Kaladin are what depression is, and just because someone has had horrible trauma (Shallan) does not mean they cant have more, or worse trauma, its not a bag of everyone gets one traumatic event, some people have multiple horrific things happen to them and others have none.
As for the more possitive light, Shallans truths are things about her that shes been lieing about, would you rather her final truth be I like chocolate when the others have been so significant?
Kaladin was born with depression and has had a rough life, you dont just shake those things off and feel happy. From a story telling perspective, Kaladin has been working towards understanding his brand of honor, who to protect, what is right, can a person kill to protect. At each stage hes found deeper questions rather than a simple yes. This is far more satisfying in my mind than if at the end of WoK Kaladin gained magic powers, got a simple answer to his life long questions and suddenly the world was perfect. Journey, before Destination in my opinion
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54 minutes ago, ggscv said:
Practically flawless, not flawless. The Kings Honor gem held stormlight for 200 years, this gem only holds stormlight for a few years at most.
That was also a quick assesment made after 5 seconds, practically in this instant could mean the artifabrian had not examined it long enough to confirm either way. How do you know it only holds stormlight for a few years? Currently all we have is a quick assessment that indicates the gem is practically flawless and that its hold something similar to voidlight for years (at least 6 by this point likely longer).
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@ggscv as @Karger said the gem is perfect.
Heres the quote (ROW spoiler just in case)
Spoiler“Practically flawless,” Nem said, clamping the sphere in some small grips. “This wasn’t grown as a gemheart, I can tell you that. The structure would never align so perfectly. This sphere is worth thousands, Brightness. It will probably hold Stormlight for months without leaking any out. Maybe years. Longer, for Voidlight.”
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1 hour ago, Bzhydack said:
So why Aesudan is talking that he found Ancient Spren? To found something you have to search actively for. He was also interested in Braize. Why he transported his box there? It could be Ashyn as well. Heck, Ashyn will be better - is inhabitated, accesable from Shadesmar, you can send team on other side and check what happens, is something go wrong. If he is cosmere-aware, he would know that there are still men there .But he chooses Braize.
He knows where Nightwatcher is, so he didnt need to find her. He knows where Stormfather is, so he didnt need to find him. He even starts to bond him, so Aesudan words about Ancient Spren are not about Stormfather. Also, godspren never are described as "Ancient Spren" (they are ancient, of course, but they are never described by this phrase). Also, Gavilar didnt figured out how to bond Ancient Spren doesnt mean he himself wants to bond it - maybe he wants bond it to someone else.
Trade is on every Shardworld besides Taldain. If travel to and from Roshar is as common, why we didnt see any Rosharan worldhopper? We know about Nalthians (Scholars+Vivienna+Nightblood), Scadrians (Yiatil, Demoux, Felt and misterius kandra), Taldainians (Khriss, Baon), even Threnodians (Nazh) and Selish (Galladon, Riino - is in CR, but still its Rosharan CR) plus Mraize (we dont know from). No Rosharans.
Also, Horneater Peaks are in Vedenar, this is still foreign country. Also, other thing to go trade with Horneaters, and other to try swim i their oceans. This is not something what Horneaters allow strangers to do, if I remember correctly.
Mraize is confirmed to be from Roshar fyi
QuoteKhyrindor
So, I was hoping to get a confirmation on Mraize's age?
Brandon Sanderson
I'd probably-- Well, what did I say before?
Khyrindor
Not sure, I was just asking the question.
Brandon Sanderson
Okay good, I didn't think that I had confirmed this. I'm going to RAFO it.
Khyrindor
Like, is he older than a normal person?
Brandon Sanderson
I will RAFO it, yeah. Let's say though, that, though he has been off-world, he himself is a Rosharan.
Khyrindor
A Roshar native?
Brandon Sanderson
Yeah.
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9 minutes ago, Bliev said:
Don’t we have a WOB that states that gavilar was on the same bondsmith path as Dalinar? That would definitely set aside the idea that he was working for Odium, though I’ve considered the idea of a potential unmade influence.
We do heres a couple the first i think was before OB. The second indicates that Gavilar has not bonded but its based on the wording.
QuoteTed Herman (paraphrased)
Has Dalinar been on the Bondsmith path for a long time? How about Gavilar?
Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)
Yes to both.
Brandon said that Gavilar had been on the Bondsmith path for longer than Dalinar has been.
Arcanum Unbounded Hoboken signing (Dec. 3, 2016)QuoteQuestioner
The visions Dalinar gets in WoK always struck me as odd - you don't just look at the past, you are able to act within this experience. Now we know that Gavilar was also on the way to being a Bondsmith - was he acting in a different way? Were the visions only basically the same but different in the end depending on the personal reactions? Is this something like a test?
Brandon Sanderson
He did see the same visions. They were the same thing. But... I will say that his reaction to them were very different from Dalinar's reactions to them. Anyway it was difficult for the Stormfather without a bond to determine/to tell the difference between very easily. When Spren are bonded, they gain a lot more ability to understand the world around then, so you'll find out soon more stuff about this in the third book.
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@spaidapig I did missread that question XD thanks for the extra WOB
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31 minutes ago, NightbloodforPM said:
I can't argue with this!
Also, I wonder if it's possible that vasher was originally from roshar, worldhopped to nalthis where he died doing something worthy from endowments pov who then gave him a divine breath. Does he have to be from nalthis for that to occur?
Heres a WOB confirming hes from nalthis
QuoteBlackYeti
In Words of Radiance, we have Vasher showing up... One of his aliases on Nalthis is Kalad, which is very similar to the name of one of the Heralds on Roshar. So I was wondering how far back this connection between him and Roshar goes.
Brandon Sanderson
It goes pretty far back, in fact when I wrote Way of Kings, the 2002 version; he was a main character and was Kaladin's swordmaster. I wrote Warbreaker to jump back and write out his backstory, Vasher's. So to me Warbreaker actually came after Way of Kings. But the connection goes back pretty far, further than you would first guess.
BlackYeti
Did he actually come from Nalthis and not Roshar?
Brandon Sanderson
I'm not going to actually answer that one-- Well I can answer that: yes he does come from Nalthis. It's pretty obvious that the way that the Breath's working, the reason he moved is because it's easier to get Stormlight than Breaths, and Stormlight can fuel being a Returned like him. And so yes, he was born on Nalthis. Becoming Returned without being born on Nalthis would be really hard.
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1 hour ago, joesleepsalot said:
For an inexplicable reason I’m of the opinion that the gemstone holds The Sibling, or somehow holds several fractured fragments of Honor. If Gavilar got it from Braize, there’d be absolutely no reason for a Braize-ally to be trapped in that thing.
It is only the contents that needs to come from Braize, I.E. he sent an empty perfect gemstone there and captured something with it, not that he got the gemstone from Braize with something already captured. Although the second option could be possible (place tinfoil hat), the fussed do seem to have some in fighting, with only one herald to torture whos to say they dont use gemstones to capture rivals. (This is not likely or even plausible as theres no evidence and is just a throw away tin foil hat theory)
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I think from what Rlain its not likley to be refined investitute, maybe transformed (ruin has been mentioned) if not a fussed. Specifically i think the "vibrates wrong against my soul" part.
QuoteI don’t know what that is, Brightness, he’d said. But it feels painful. Voidlight is dangerously inviting, like if I touched it, my body would drink it in eagerly. That thing… is different. It has a song I’ve never heard, and it vibrates wrong against my soul.
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Ive seen mention a couple of times about syls interlude and what was said seems to indicate that he has chosen to worj as a surgeon, even if he hasnt started yet.
I have spoiler quoted the section from the interlude as im not 100% if it can be posted here.
SpoilerShe slipped back outside, though the responsible brain managed to keep her attention. Kaladin. She needed to help Kaladin. Perhaps he would be satisfied as a surgeon, and it would be good for him to not have to kill anymore. However, there was a reason he’d had difficulties as a surgeon in the past. He would continue to have the dark brain. This wasn’t a solution. She needed a solution.
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20 minutes ago, robardin said:
The Fused hadn't returned to Roshar yet, not until after the Everstorm, so this would have to be a Fused trapped in a gem from the previous Desolation where they occured - the last "real" Desolation, i.e., Ahrietiam.
That doesn't jive with Leshwi's horrified reaction to the idea that a Fused could be trapped in a gem, if it'd already happened before.
Gavilar was also sending stuff back and forth to Braize so they may have captured one. This would also allow the current fussed to think they had just not awakened yet, or it may have been one of the catatonic fussed, I doubt Odium has a fussed check in service on Braize.
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On 11/10/2020 at 7:32 AM, Master Silver said:
I think the only way there would be a 6th oath, would be radiants taking up the oath back. Spren and shards can't break oaths. Humans can (that was the problem with the oath pact). So, perhaps 5th ideal radiants taking up the oath pact (alon with their spren, that would be the key), could be considered a 6th ideal. Nale in reverse if you will
This i feel is still somethign else the Heralds are not bound by the oaths the radients are. So while yes a Radient taking up the oath pact would have an additional responsibility it is not a continuation of the same system and so not a "6th radient oath"
On 14/10/2020 at 9:19 PM, Master Silver said:This new chapter seems to give credence to this theory in a small way. Cognitive shadows become more like spren and less like men as time goes on. The spren Radiant bond might be able to help strengthen resolve and keep Radiant heralds from warping.
I do like this, even if I am in the "not another oath pact" camp. I can see the spren helpping keep imortal people sane. The herlads insanity, however, is also a mixture of living too long which is what i think the spren wilk help with and Odiums torture, which I doubt the spren could significantly help with.
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On 15/10/2020 at 7:03 AM, beewall said:
My purely speculative classification with no evidence besides my guess (there being 4 like the old system is a coincidence, not a requirement I used.):
Type I: Investiture that has gained its own sentience.
Type II: Investiture that has gained an existing sentience.
Type III: Investiture that has gained no sentience.
Type IV: Investiture that has gained an artificial sentience.(This is ordered by how "artificial" each type of object is, just like I believe the original classification system was.)
Do note that this classification system is merely what I think Vasher would come up with, not the system I believe would be most accurate. I would, for example, likely categorize Type II and Type IV Entities as subcategories of the same thing, rather than their own category.
I like this, but differ in that type 4 should be type 1. Afterall what does it matter where the sapience comes from. Nightblood achieved sapience form being i vested, not from their command. On this the command is likely Nightbloods intent.
I do think Vasher may not uet be at this conclusing given A) he helpped create Nightblood and so may down play this and
he may not understand the workings that made Nightblood like we do
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I think a big assumption you are making here is that the first time Vasher saw a spren he was like hmmm a piece of divinity these must be investiture that has achieved sapience. But given the lack of spren on Nalthis he likely just thought of them as creatures that now lived in the cognitive, especially given when they got to Roshar no sapient spren appeared.
So yes he saw spren, but nothing he saw indicated he needed to change his system on invested/awakened objects.
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On 15/10/2020 at 11:42 AM, TMC29ZX said:
While I agree Shallan swearing Oaths and having a blade at such a young age sure seems unique, I’m hesitant to add her to the list yet because we don’t know enough. That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least to hear Pattern say “you were the youngest person ever to swear the Oaths”.
As for Kaladin, I do think he’s doing things no one else could do from a leadership perspective, but right now he has the same Windrunner abilities as everyone else at the 3rd Oath and none of them have shown anything that makes the Spren say “Well that’s new.”
As for Jasnah, we just don’t know enough about her story or abilities, and I don’t think Ivory is going to say too much.
We do know at least Lift and Dalinar have interacted with Nightwatcher/Cultivation. Cultivation ended up with Nighblood and now Szeth has him so that’s a point in her favor too. To me it’s very possible that Renarin somehow ended up with Glys cause of Cultivation deal with Saj-anat but who knows. That would leave Venli but maybe we would find out something in this book?
Again, I don’t have any theories, just the observation they are different than any previous Radiants.
On the nothing new for Kaladin, Syl seemed aweful impressed when he split a highstorm with wind spren to protect the parsh. Also his "Fight with the wind" seems more than just windrunner fighting abilities.
I also disagree with the anyone could do what he did leaderahip wise. Hes a dark eyes with a shash brand and he not only survived the bridge runs he savied the others (more mindset than physical) I dont even think dalinar could have done that.
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2 hours ago, slate said:
From the preview chapters it's evident (for anyone who has read every book in the Cosmere) that Sanderson is bringing in the rest of the systems to this conflict. The use of Alomantic metals with fabrials, the revelations regarding the nature of Returned via Vashar/Zahel, 17th Shard and Ghost blood ties as well as Mraize likely being from Nalthis due to his Breath awareness of an observers presence, Gavilars prologue hinting at world hopping, etc. If I had to guess I'd say that Dalinar will ascend and take the shard of Honor, the nature and intention of Cultivation revealed, and Odium likely shattered. Hoid will obviously come to the forefront of the conflict for the first time during this arc. The fate of the protagonists will most likely be tragic, albeit with some form of redemption and silver lining, it is heavily hinted that humanity and the non fused singers will come to some form of tentative peace as well. Sanderson is a master at putting a puzzle together and reverse engineering it in his stories. Using logic you can piece together a good amount of this. Outliers that have no determined role as of yet; the nature of other world involvement, Shinovar, Iri, Aimia, New Natantan, Uvara Island, surviving humans on Ashyn, remaining Heralds, and all the other things Brandon has in his head that he has hinted at but that I haven't put together. If I had to guess books 6-10 will be on a much grander Cosmereological scale. He will likely have released a second Warbreaker, a follow-up to Elantris, and have started the third Mistborn series. One thing I'll bet on is that an advanced spacefaring Scadiral society makes contact with Roshar, and begins a conflict with Harmony and some element on Roshar. It's really hard to ponder that far ahead though.
One minor thing, Mraize is from Roshar thoygh he has been off world.
QuoteKhyrindor
So, I was hoping to get a confirmation on Mraize's age?
Brandon Sanderson
I'd probably-- Well, what did I say before?
Khyrindor
Not sure, I was just asking the question.
Brandon Sanderson
Okay good, I didn't think that I had confirmed this. I'm going to RAFO it.
Khyrindor
Like, is he older than a normal person?
Brandon Sanderson
I will RAFO it, yeah. Let's say though, that, though he has been off-world, he himself is a Rosharan.
Khyrindor
A Roshar native?
Brandon Sanderson
Yeah.
Skyward Seattle signing (Nov. 10, 2018)I think he will certainly include cosmere wide law (IE its not alomancy thats mixing with the fabrials its that they both have underlying principles. Heres and older WOB on it I think Brandon has mentioned that stormlight being the biggest will have more crossover but i couldnt find the quote.
QuoteQuestioner
You have two characters, Hoid and Vasher, who really stand out even if you don’t know anything about the cosmere. Are people who aren’t cosmere-aware going to be left wondering what the heck is up with them?
Brandon Sanderson
Yeah, probably. But it’s okay to have some mystery, I figure, as long as I don’t let the cosmere stories really distract. If there are occasionally things where you think, “That was weird, I don’t get that” or “That guy’s kind of different.” That’s fine. It’s when you start to feel like everyone else is laughing at a joke you don’t know, when you’re not part of something and you can’t understand the piece of fiction because of it, then we’re in trouble. Unless it’s a side story. Like Mistborn: Secret History, you’ve got to know the cosmere to get most of that, and that’s okay. But the main line books I will write in such a way that… So the Stormlight Archive is the story of Roshar. It’s not necessarily the story of all the different elements influencing Roshar. Maybe someday I’ll do one that has that, but I’ll be very up-front about it.
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What is Zahel's Intent?
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Posted wrong WoB
He was third best against inhumanly good swordmen, not just he ranked third. Even then Denth waited until Vasher was exaughsted before fighting him, sure some of this was due to Breath and Nightblood, but Denth was geniuinly afraid Vasher could beat him in a fair fight even if he confidently said otherwise.
Also this WoB expands on why Vasher is an incredible swordsman. (I posted the wrong WoB before.)