Illwei

Okay, double posting because no one is here or saying anything 24 hours in. @Steeldancer @Aeternum I think you both are town. This im confident in to varying degrees. I think @Terrisman /can/ be town but at this point I have a harder time finding him than you two. For me it really comes down to if I think bridgeboi can be an Elim here, or if im wrong on steel or aet. I would love some discussion from people here. Were at E/Lo basically and I feel like no one here particularly cares. Steel and Aet, how do you guys feel about eachother atm

Terrisman

Bridgeboi

I was going to say something so I opened up this thread but I'm on my second glass at an Italian restaurant that has way too many waitstaff around like one for drinks and bussing and another girl pouring wine and another serving me and then the two owners are here like there's 3 people here u need one guy stop paying all these people you're gonna die like sure the food is like 50 bucks but Anyways I really forgot we hat I was going to say. I don't get how younger me didn't really get along with stink he just talks and all I wanna do is like talk but on MU they always call me a wolf for just talking Anyways idk if I should order a desert But yeah. I think i might have wanted to comment on Aet. But. I truly dont remember. Someone ask me a question or something

at 6 right now meaning we can wait, as it's likely the next night is 2v1 at the least. depending on if steel dies to the filter.

Terrisman EDIT: I don't want to kill Aet. I don't want to kill Ash. I kind of don't know how to feel about aet's retraction but I really don't think that this is right

Sorry, forgot about the game for a little and then I've been busy with work. I talked myself into an Elim read on Terris and then talked myself into him being village again in the past 20 minutes. Basically I don't really like his direction throughout the game. his vote on polly came before kas saying that polly should be the vote, yes, but he was still putting her at 2 when he was previously keeping only 1 Elim in contention (Drake) and pushing me to 2 as the CW at that point. Could he have been trying to distance and then stuck there when my slot voted? Didn't he have a negative read on my slot previously? I still don't find that likely since at EoD he started shading TUN, which is also unneccesary at that point in the game. My Main issue with the D1 vc is that it doesn't look like the Elims are bussing. I don't think I believe in BB's accusation of ash though idk I'm thinking too much about the wrong things there's 10 minutes left grr @Ashbringer Did you ever elaborate on why Sart was nice to have flipped? ^^ EDIT

Bridgeboi you keep saying "we need activity" but yet you haven't really said much. Is there nothing you find worth responding to here?

Why ash and not me?

You say you aren't very sure about it, but saying that doesn't dissuade me in the slightest against my perception of how you have approached him.

They're in a tight spot and then bus eachother if they're elims. Normally new players have a harder time getting over tmi, and therefore bus. I don't think terris or bb bussing twinstorm is too wild a thought. I do think that in general I trust BB more here, though it concerns me to a degree that I don't hear anyone trying to...fight or so? I think that bbs post today even telling people to vote is less fakeable than terris's posts this cycle.

@Ashbringer You want to elect bridgeboi Because there is a case to depose them? How do you feel about terris?

I disagree with this quite a bit. Considering both teammates were dead i wouldn't have bothered bussing him when I could delay that for more cycles. This implies that you assume twin if not bussed there would last that long? And even then, yes you find an Elim in a doc, but then you, if you've gotten that far, are probably at a point with 2 elims alive and one villager about to be removed from the game. Are you pushing aet so strongly because of Kas' legacy? I will note that i have played multiple games with them offsite and this is what I'm basing my read of them on. I can't call it much more than a gut read but it's not a gut read in total. I will say that i can understand pushing twin and not voting him as suspicious in cases where they aren't about to die, but esp in the tossup with TUN I don't see that little being done to dissuade people off of TUN while voting another wolf as an Elim action.

Put me down as a PHer, but can join the game if you need more people later.

I will be at work until almost rollover. Bridgeboy I can answer questions but pretty much everything I talked about before. Terrisman has had some good moments but everything he does he is visibly hyper-aware of his appearance and has been making connections i dont get. Especially the last cycle on Aet felt like he was desperately trying to save twin. -- TERRIS- If they aren't an Elim I would probably look Ash next. I gave him some passes in the beginning but were nearing endgame and his early analysis can't carry him far. STINK I'm not even going to try to read. Could be an Elim. Complaining about his docmates being silent is >rand STINK But yet I do mildly village read it for wanting more engagement. In thread is lacking but he's stink so. see comment below Steel. SART I am probably landing on town for. I can't explain it since i don't really believe it. He's made little waves and that could be Elim indicative, and both his docmates are dead makes me feel a little eh but. Idk. I've seen him be townier than he is right now i feel but it's been a while and in general I don't think the elims would let two sitters be tossed so early, especially when sart lost to a tie. Another reason for sart however is that on d2 we had e/e wagons and he/stink didn't vote on them at all. Imo they could be elims here but more likely in that situation I'd find the elims to be bussing. STEEL hasn't been around but I stand by what I said before about me thinking he's town. Doc hasn't been active (blame me) but what he wrote in the doc before when there were people is something I don't associate with an elim. Specifically standing up to them against Kas suspicion, which he would have no gain from if he was an elim and would have more likely helped stoked the flame to try and get Kas out D1. AETERNUM i still think is town. Aet/Steel Stink/bridgeboi Sart Ash/Terris I still have qualms with the people who voted off wagon during the hpper wagon, as that's the only time we have had a village exe. Imo the wagon on me was never going to take off and voting me was the same as voting on vanity wagons. [Looking back at the wagons part of my V read on bridgeboi was him voting me, which i now see was actually Hopper.] I also have independent v reads of both aet and steel, the others on the Hopper wagon besides twin. I think what confuses me the most here is that if Aet is right in that the n1 was an "obvious" kill to get people off of TUN, then where are the wolves on the wagon. If I assume that I am correct in townreading both Steel and Aet then the Twin wagon was pure besides TUN. This does end up pointing maybe more to sart/stink unless it is actually aet who has tmi on the kill situation? But even in that case why wagon twin over trying to find a new wagon if that was the plan. Anyways all this to say is that the twin wagon is likely village motivated/village pushed, but I don't see why the Elims would be on TUN unless they were the latest voters. Which would bring me to terris and bridgeboi. But even then, if you're trying to set up a kill to prove TUNs innocence then why would you vote him out vs a different partner who you haven't set up. Even switching off of TUN and onto twin with twin flipping elim would have likely made TUN and the vote flippers look better. Anyways. I'd love thoughts on this from people. EDIT: I don't know if I want this to be my final vote. @Ashbringer @Aeternum @Steeldancer @Sart Id love to hear comments about terris/bridgeboi at the least, because right now it feels like no one really cares. I understand that some people may have gotten complacent or might feel like it's in the bag with most likely one elim left. The problem is someone is going to get elected today, there isn't anything stopping that. If Terris or Bridgeboi are the last elim then if elected, it's going to be hard to win. And if we vote up a Villager there's still the chance we could end up voting them down and lose. We need to be pretty sure about who we think the last elim is, but at the very least who it's not.

@Ashbringer My phone won't let me get rid of this tag so it stays I don't know why I thought it was still 2 people alive. Also doesn't the election not need a majority anymore just plurality? Which means we elect a seat tonight regardless. I don't know truly where I want to go right now other than not Aet. Aet, Steel, Ash, Bridgeboi i all trust to various degrees. Twinstorm

OKAY iff the green ajah used their ability on bridgeboi we need to know that. Tonight there will be an election to the seat and we need to know what's happening there. While there could possibly be only one elim left i still side on two, and if one of them is a sitter still then it's dangerous. Assuming 2 left, we have 9 in the game right now. 7v2. Assuming worst case we go down to 5v2 and then end up on d6 with 3v2 E/Lo. So basically we have 2 miselims left to waste. Honestly what this means is worst case scenario, it doesn't really matter who is elected to the Alabaster seat. If you need to survive deposition for even 2 days, we have likely either won or lost by then. So honestly who gets elected isn't important to the wincon at this point. So scratch what i said earlier about it mattering, i guess.

Honestly im at the point where i think bridgeboi is town. Specifically voting for twinstorm for something he did as well is something that normally always comes from a villager. Most of the time an Elim will not suspect someone for something they did as well because it just draws more attention/suspicion to themselves for that action as well. I think the one thing anchoring terrisman to my townreads is his reaction to the first Elim flip. Other than that there's part of me that wants to call him a villager for trying to encourage activity in a way, but part of me is also looking for that person who wanted to kill Kas, since most likely in my mind it's about thread control and wanting the spot from Kas. This also means I kind of am back to townreading Ash. Part of me thi B is that he could have killed Kas but also that he didn't try to take over thread now that Kas is gone is a good point for him. Aet is still another of my townreads. I have a slight tinfoil on something but it's not worth bringing up at this point. The walls he has posted are solidly v!aet for me.

I want to clarify one thing about the rules- The green Ajah ability only moves the still, there is no second still. This means personally I could care less if the green is used, but note that it's also just....useless right now. It's not like sart will still himself. I'm starting to think bridgeboi might just be town here, not going to lie. Still trying to decide how I really feel about their vote on me yesterday, because part of me wants to townread them for voting off the main wagon on someone who had no arguments just "gut" on the train to begin with. it's not like there's anything to latch on to there where as with other candidates you might have been able to piggyback off of some sort of real reasoning. I feel I might be overthinking this but regardless Terrisman's posting recently has me wanting to swap where I had them before.

Just got home from work and the fact that people haven't really posted in almost a whole day is insane to me. Oh hi steel I wrote up a whole post and then realized I didn't believe it in the slightest and now I'm here so I'm just here now. EDIT: No one trying to help tow doesn't make me feel great about today but on the other hand if I say an Ajah could be all black then twin works fine as the last one pretty solidly

Sorry can you elaborate on this

I disagree that BB has been villagery, but I disagree with the idea that green should Still him. I'm not a huge fan of Terris suggesting this. Waiting to hear back on some rule clarifications around Stilling and the Amaryllin seat though. Note that we at this point don't know if it actually randed onto bridgeboi and then reranded, we don't get to know. @Terrisman I talked about it previously, as did Steel. Personally the one thing that makes me worry about steel is his attidude toward Gaea and how often he would re-inforce that he trusted her. On the other hand Steel has been active in the doc even though I'm not, constantly thinking in there and even when the others were alive he was very active. "activity isn't AI" could be your follow up, but I'm not only factoring pure activity. An elim in a dead doc needs not to try and prove themselves as solving. An elim in the doc doesn't need to be the only one actively defending kas, idk other things I'm not gonna read through that doc again it's too long. I'm not interested in killing steel today

You find the votes flimsy, yet you vote as well?

Honestly no other thoughts about mark, if true then mark gets a bigger village read from me. EDIT: Do you feel that the other sitters are more suspicious than him? Also that Aet wall was towny sue me

Which mildly sets off bells for me, but it seems you're pulling them out of PoE? Ill be honest that was the big one for me lol