Illwei

What are you scared of? What I'm scared of is in the hour before rollover all we have got is two unprompted votecounts and one vague promise to maybe post something. :P. EDIT: It's making me think that if Elk flips elim then his voters are more likely Elims, and if he doesn't, well...I mean I don't know. I would think that Elk wouldn't be someone the Elims would so quickly bus. so I'm not sure about this.

Awesome. Two umprompted VC's, and no discussion.

This whole post just contradicts itself a few times over?

I'd like it if someone adressed Ventyl's/My thoughts about Ventyl's post. I can't be the only one seeing this? it doesn't feel good. Also how Elk sped up really fast in a moment. and how so many people are suddenly saying they can't vote this cycle. Ventyl Mist @Experience @Elandera @Condensation @eltruT @Elkanah @Whysper @Danex @TJ Shade @Amanuensis @A Windrunner @Gears 3. @Ashbringer @Mist @Araris Valerian @Lord_Silberfarben @Orlok Tsubodai @Vapor @The Windrunner Supreme @Flyingbooks42@Devotary of Spontaneity @Shard of Reading @A Windrunner EDIT: sorry for the tag, but it's like, close to rollover, so-

as good of a summary I can give: - Turtle & me & TJ find Mist suspicious - Discussion about if we should try and vote out the HI in the early rounds with TJ, Araris, Illwei, Whysper, Turtle. Concensus: No- explained by Whysper and TJ (pg 5 ish) - Talk about Elk's Meta and if he's acting suspicious with Illwei, Elkanah, Whysper, TJ. (PG 6-7) - Some sort of fish by Aman to see reactions on the Mist/Elk/Turtle vote (pg 7) - Araris and Ventyl hop on the Elk train (pg 9) Mist Posts: Elk Posts Elk Votes Mist Vote: (singlular...) Turtle Votes:

I very much dislike this. We have already talked about how finding the HI shouldn't be our main goal. Now that I think more about it, trying to pass off something as "trying to find the HI" is a really easy way for the Elims to distract. You also talk about how you are also suspicious of Turtle, for Aman's reasoning, but this makes no sense if you think Elk is the HI.

- I don't think the role breakdown was incredibly useful. I mean, maybe that's just a me thing because there are a lot of newer players here, so maybe it'll help them. It does also basically directly contradict something I was told in a game by Devotary (when they are Elim) which was use your double vote all the time very good. But it is NAI. - They only talked about suspicions once? in the past 48 hours. It was their basically 2nd post, and they voted Turtle for...voting on them. they also emphasized it was D1 so they didn't need more reason. their vote has stayed there. - Then they continue to be active and answer questions, and RP, but never address their suspicion again, even when people start talking about the Turtle situation.

*Couch* I think you meant Straw *Couch* Okay, just realized that this day ends in about 3 hours...I guess things can wait until 2. I think Turtle's votes on Mist have been weird, but are completely different than Turtle last game. I do assume though that Elim!Turtle would be different, especially if they were on a team with Elk twice in a row in their first two games :P. Anyways, I just don't think that's the case. They do seem to be trying to justify their vote weirdly. - She votes on Mist at first as a poke, after mist has already been active - She then removes her vote, but votes again because she thinks Mist is the HI - She then removes her vote again, and then votes again because she thinks Mist is an Elim. This is not a case against turtle, this is for @eltruT to see and tell me what their thinking behind it is. Again, I don't think Turtle is an Elim, and I definitely don't think we should vote them out right now.. That being said...Elkanah. I just don't think enough has been said yet tbh. The main thing I don't trust about him was the mention of his spreadsheet, and the mention of his Meta. I think that right now, the Meta mention makes more sense than in a game not like this. There aren't just new players here, but someone who knows how to play, and found him immediately suspicious for something that he assumes is normal. The spreadsheet thing still...It's not just that he keeps a spreadsheet- I mean, I keep a spreadsheet too. it's that the spreadsheet thing is an easy way to let people know that you're actively participating or trying to solve the game without it having to be true. As for the argument about a Turtle/Elkanah Pairing, I don't think that's there yet. (I mean, I don't think Turtle is an Elim, so obviously hehe :P.) I'm also not so trusting of Araris right now, so the fact that he's voting on Elk now doesn't make me feel better. I think I'm still not feeling so good about Mist. I was just trying to re-read the cultist game because of that, but I got caught up in noticing my RNG luck. Man. Man. Wow. and then noticing pyro's actual throwing of the game but hehe anyways back on subject anyways-that game told me absolutely nothing. but I still don't like Mist's activity here. Someone said they like how she was answering questions and things, but that's easy to do no matter who you are. Her post about the roles was completely NAI and I think that would either swing one way or another at least slightly.

Oh ho ho it is working :P. Yes, yes...I know... Still.... Hrmmm... Whysper, I also read through a few of his games (lol, from what you've said before you probably did too haha) and there are quite a few of his Village games where he isn't as chaotic as other times. (also what ever happened to the weird colored text thing?) I also think that I find Ventyl's comment about not voting Elkanah less strange after reading past games. He made a lot of comments like that as village, so most likely it's NAI IMO.

...Alarm bells. all of the Alarm bells. Mist, Elkanah. Please explain what is most off-putting about Turtle. EDIT: not that it's a very reliable read, haha, but Elkanah mentioning his spreadsheet sets off alarm bells for me right now.

This is definitely not a mistake my grades will definitely be fine as long as I get my midterms finished this weekend :P. but it's all ties die and I like that too much. I'm joining.

NAI meant Not Alignment Indicative? and AI means Alignment Indicative. uh...the different colors in my post means basically nothing.

The game I was in that I saw it was LG 69. Illwei - Offsetting that they asked people to PM them their Roles... [Null/--] Connie - Posting a lot. Doesn't seem to be AI for them I don't think, just interesting. They ask a lot of questions, and though I could mark that as Village, I'm going to mark it as NAI as well, as they just seem like someone who would talk a lot in thread no matter what. [Null] Turtle - Has been a lot more active than last game- where they were elim. Maybe I'm underestimating them :P. [Null/+] Elkanah - Doesn't feel as relaxed as LG69, but that's the only have I have to go off of for Village!Elk. Other than not being as Chaotic there's not much. (supported one of my posts that people were apparently finding me suspicious for...pocketing? :P) [Null/--] Mist - The reads felt like an attempt at being active while not knowing what to do. [Null/--] Araris - Very aggressive...normal Araris things? [Null/+] Danex - The "What do I do now" is offsetting for me. Could be village, could not be. New player. who knows. [Null/-] Whysper - Their tone is feeling normal for them, They use a lot of smiley faces :P. [Null/+] Ventyl - Their post about Elk felt like something they had to say, e/e interaction it feels like. [Null/--] TJ - First thing they pointed out and focused on was not Killing the HI. (granted, that's what everyone was talking about but anyways) feels like an easy thing to try and agree with to get village cred. [Null/-] Reading - Something feels off about them, need to look more, as this is what happened last game :P. [Null/-] Aman - Unprompted VC? [Null/-] Anyone not listed is Null

I agree with this. I think especially because of how Turtle's last game went, if they wanted to do some plotting then there's a bit they could do with Turtle

I don't have any of those @Danex

Yeah, he hasn't been feeling like normal Elkanah, but I've only played one game with Elk when he wasn't an Elim. Or a Cultist. Or a Monk. Or- just I've only played one game with him when he was village, but he was acting different. He is GMing a game (technically) right now, so I was going to wait and see what happens. Too late. I've already expressed my suspicion :P. Yeah, if there's something there then it's a complete coincidence :P.

I- "Illwei" ? is that- relevant? to Legend of Korra? I have never watched. so, no. if there's something there then it was unintentional?

Can you explain the relevance/connection you're trying to point out there? By "trying to get the spotlight" it's usually "try to get almost killed". or at least be chaotic enough for the Elims to overlook him. Though... He hasn't been that chaotic, and it feels off. also saying "Working on a Larger Post" and then disappearing.... Speaking of Elk in LG15: haha. Anyways- none of us have enough Experience, as he hasn't posted anything so far :P. If it's a true stab vote, there's no need to move it at all :P. EDIT: also, this feels very non-committal and possiblly Elim-y. Could be distancing or something else, while still not wanting to kill Elkanah. Possibly setting up reason for a eventual last minute vote on Elk.

Hmm... Semi-readslist coming soon... After you finish your midterms Illwei, after....

alternatively you all could share it with me :P. I can't promise that I'm village, or that great at keeping secrets, but you should definitely share your roles with me :P. anyways, gotta go actually do my midterms...been putting them off all week....

Well, yes. But my point was if the elim team figures out who it is it might be easy for them to push. Im thinking 4 elims one HI. @Experience where you be at?

Okay wait, some good points are being made. Even if we find the HI, we'd be in later game, and once all hemalurgists die its going to be very hard to find the elims without triggering the event.

Yes, but we'll know when theyre dead. I mean, not all of them, but if two die thats more than enough for me to be wary. The thing is I'd rather beat the elims to finding them. If the elims do fond the HI, then i guess we might have some lead still

Was going to say something, but I guess you haven't gotten here yet? I did just make a post about wanting to find the HI, so... EDIT: araris, how does TJ wanting to not find the HI come off as village if you think we should find the HI? I would think that the village would think more about it.

Oh, forgot this, yeah. I usually sesrch up peoples titles through. Going to their profile will probably work for about half the people.