Illwei

Matrim I don't like your recent post, it feels too similar to the MR. It's missing some things but still. not feeling good about that. I don't remember who I voted on either, funnily enough. I objected to XP is what I know.

I would like someone to claim the kill. It might not be Aman. Aman threatened to kill someone N1- which is technically a roleclaim. not sure I believe it.

@Matrim's Dice Somebody had a village read on me. Thats it. I need to go back and look through things but idk if i can get to that today. ~~People celebrate halloween?~~

As far as i am aware, he claimed.

Sorry. Basically no one should be specifically targeting a known Hemalurgist because they think that theyre the "Elim Hemalurgist", as there is no guarantee that there even is one. Yup Yes. Turtle. I keep doing that Elim hemalurgist isnt HI?? is there a pm message between you two that im missing?

Ah, yes. another thing. There probably is a Elim hemalurgist, based on me thinking that's why gears might have been killed (If i was even given reliable information), but while 2/6 or 2/6 might be better than ...6/23, it's only slightly better than 6/19, and 1/6 isn't better than that either. I guess there could theoretically be 3 Elim Hemalurgists, maybe even the last 4 are all elims, who knows, but killing someone who isn't a hemalurgist will probably have a better chance of catching an Elim. guessing how many/if there are Elim hemalurgists is basically all guesswork, and guessing the number of elims isn't as guess-y. now technically it's 2/4 or 1/4 chance for Elim Hemalurgists at best guess but I still stand by that voting out/NKing anyone who can be backed up as a Hemalurgist isn't a good idea at all. too late for the NK part now...but still. Again, I don't know anything about statistics or anything- so- Do you not think that Devotary was the one who saves Turtle? In the case of wrong information, illwei is exempt from all blame on the grounds of math isnt real and i dont do it

I'd like to see what Aman says first. He had been claiming Mistborn, and polling people for who they might want killed. I at first thought it was some form of a fish or something, but then Turtle died. I don't know why the Elims would try and Kill turtle, but then again they did try and kill me the night before. It also wouldn't make sense for someone to...not protect turtle...unless..they for some reason decided to protect Experience, who for some reason thought he would need protection? anyways I also don't see why the Mistborn would try and waste their kill on someone who was going to probably be protected. I- agh. 17 people left in the game, no? no elims dead yet so maybe 10-6-1. with how many at least partial inactives we have, it might be pretty easy to end up Also, I have a question that is definitely less relevant now but I sill want to ask: Did anyone else think Turtle was a Hemalurgist at the end/middle of day 1, or was I the only one? because I refuse to believe that no one else was guessing that too.

@Araris Valerian on mobile, but: Supreme: he roleclaimed to me, good enough for now for me to clear him. Aman: dont know why you would clear him for the mistborn thing. That's a pretty easy think to fake if he's an Elim for village points. Ferchemy: why would you mark feruchemists village?

So this is very interesting. Concerning, Interesting. Someone has some explaining to do. Right now I'm going to assume that Aman took matters into his own hands and decided to kill Turtle during the night. If so, why? it's not in village's interest to kill a claimed hemalurgist at night at all Imo. I know, I think, Devotary? mentioned a Mistborn Killing Turtle. I still don't think.... What I do think, is that it's in village's best interest to know who Told Aman that Turtle would be a good Mistborn kill, because I know I didn't. Turtle was in contact with Devotary and knew their role as a Feruchemist I'm pretty sure. Not sure if they knew Devotary was a Hemalurgist as well, though they claimed to be in contact with a Hemalurgist. There are also allegedly two Feruchemists. I am of the opinion right now that neither of them are Elims. There are also allegedly two Elantrians but my question is why everyone's favorite Surgebinder was going about claiming Elantrian? -- Ashbringer - I'm really trying to argue against the side of myself that says you've just rolled Elim twice, it wouldn't be likely a third time in a row. You actively followed the thread yesterday, during the turtle/reading thing. This was before Turtle claimed Hemalurgist. Not much reasoning to vote on turtle still other than D1 stuff, (which, why were people not as willing to vote on Elk if they wanted an answer when their main target was a Claimed hemalurgist? but I'll leave that for a minute.) This was after. then Connie and I immediately claim that Turtle claimed to us (though Connie's was...Agh! sidetracked again. I'll get back to that later.) and I say that things they have told me about the doc match up with what other people have said. Then after a couple more posts that don't quite make sense: Information about what? the three people that they PM'd with? Info about their/Elk's relationship, which was the original reason you voted on them? Trying to daykill a almost confirmed Hemalurgist is basically poinless imo, as I thought I said earlier. If they're an Elim then they won't be NK'd, and most likely the Elims would try and go for a Hemalurgist above most other people. Ash also calls out Turtle for asking "what do you gain if I flip vil?" because that's a weird thing to say. the thing is, it shouldn't have been avoided like Ash avoided it because Ash's reason for voting Turtle was for info. I am 90% against Info kills on anything but D1 already, and then Ash refusing to think about what info is gained if someone they want to kill, a Hemalurgist, Doesn't flip Elim. you both lose info and a Hemalurgist. I had one more point about Ash but I forgot it. :P. -- I was going to do full reads but I have run out of energy now. I will get back later. Short list (no reasonings.) Experience - ?Elim Ashbringer - Mild Elim Connie - Mild Elim Elkanah - Hmmmmmm vil Mist - Still Mild Elim Araris - Mild Elim Silber - ... uh, well. Danex - ?? hmm Whysper - Vil Lotus - Hmmmmmm elim Vapor - ?? Supreme - Vil Books - Mild Elim... TJ - ?Elim Aman - Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Wind - ??

if you're going to place votes please don't do it like that. In general I hate spoilers like that, but please don't spoiler votes at all, it makes it harder for the GM --- So your reasoning against me is that I placed a vote against you? why shouldn't I? I would like to let everyone know that Somebody PMd me this morning and told me that they saw me as village now and that they were sorry. sorry for what? who knows. them then immediately voting on me makes no sense. @Elkanah VC?

Are you getting your games mized up? :P.

Green is for unvoting someone. also, make sure you don't just edit the color there, make a new post if you change a vote. EDIT: If you trust me a lot more, then why vote on me? I can't really be your most suspicious read right? I mean, how much do you trust Everyone else?

Cutting someone slack is completely reasonable because 1) unlike whatever happened to experience :P., I don't like to let new players die D1 regardless, 2) new players usually play more like elims because they don't know what's going on. You don't wanna be cut slack? fine with me :P. Somebody

I need to go back and look, but the people who went off immediately, or the person who pointed it out are suspicious to me. I need to go back and see who they were, but since this isn't Somebody's first time playing mafia?

I'm still on the fence about whether or not Turtle is an Elim, but this seems like you're trying to set it up to me tbh. Hm. EDIT: The fact that Reading flipped vil is making me think. I don't know, just...I don't know. Agh this game.

I think Reading or Connie are more likely. Imo. I'll be gone until rollover

If turtle is an elim, then there are definitely Elims on this train. There is too little resistance for this to turn out good

Where would you put reading? ralizing you won't be on to answer this, but- You're voting on reading? despite finding Turtle Elim?

I usually search by the title, not name. helps. :P.

TJ (1): Reading Reading 3): TJ, Araris, Whysper Turtle (6): Experience, Books, Aman, Ash, Connie, Supreme. The turtle train gained speed very fast, Like Elan. I don't like this much. There is the Reading train, but that's three votes behind. Reading has definitely felt off to me this game, but Turtle, why not vote on reading in self-pres? Reading I just remembered about the doc slip. I can't believe that that's a total accident @Straw

@Straw can we get a VC?

First of all, Turtle didn't use the words "a lot". second of all, it is a little concerning if she did. I know I specifically asked her to not claim to people, because that puts her in danger. the fact that she didn't seem to care is concerning to me. Second of all I would like to point out that I am the only person seeimingly publicly opposing this kill. As I am village, this indicated to me that: like Elandera, Turtle will end up flipping Vil and that we might want to find another target. I don't want to info kill. Can you confirm to me when the last time H4 talked was?

Supreme I know that other people said your habit of voting on Experience and leaving was NAI, but I think it's terribly Elimmy. This too.

Right, forgot to include in my post the Turtle asked about 10 times over if I was the HI, then last night when I expressed suspicion of her, she completely shut down and didn't talk anymore, instead asking my opinion on the Elandera situation.

@Somebody from Sel, Have you played Mafia elsewhere before? I think that the Experience train was bad, and I said it before. Suggesting what he suggested was not an Elim-y thing to do, that would draw too much attention. I'm kinda glad a double kill didn't happen :P. so, Somebody seems strange to me. Their reasoning to go to XP seemed nonexistant (I know they said why but still) it felt to me that people were hopping off of me, so they needed to find someone else to die. If Kings_way thought that I was also an Elim, I have no clue why he didn't let it be a tie between me and XP.