theTruthshaper

1 minute ago, AonEne said:

I think it might be a platform thing, maybe they only are on desktop...

I am on desktop, though?

32 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

A minor change may cause monumental developments, while a huge change may no have no further impact.

I'd say you just cannot take the immediate effect and expect the long term consequences to be proportional.

I am not sure about what you are disagreeing with me. My argument is that you cannot simply say the Dalinar did not become a better person, just because he was changed by Cultivation. (I agree with both of your points here, which is also why I am confused)

34 minutes ago, Oltux72 said:

On a fundamental level I must say that this discussion ignores that Rathalas was not an outright crime.

A horrible thing, yes, a crime, very debatable. Had Dalinar stood in front of an impartial Rosharan court, he might very well have been acquitted. The Blackthorn is doubtlessly a violent killer, but not necessarily a criminal. The idea that war is bad is not shared among the Rosharans, the Alethi least of all.

Legality is not the same as morality. This discussion is focusing on the morality of actions.

28 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

She took away key components of his life 

Rathatlas, his wife, the things he’s done..

Once you take those away he’s not necessarily the same man. (He’s still Dalinar obviously but not evil Dalinar)

Only Rathalas and his wife. You can hardly say that they were the key components of his life. At most you can say that she regressed him back to pre-Rathalas in some ways.

30 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

I repeate. It implies explicitly in the text Dalinar would not have been a better man without Cultivation. That is the crux of my rebuttal so please don’t ignore it

You are ignoring my point that Dalinar wouldn't have been the monster without the Thrill. Indeed, the Alethi might have been much more peaceful. You can hardly say that the Thrill did not have a very very big impact on who Dalinar was.

2 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

Memories make up a person

 “A man is a s of his experiences” right?

Without the context of experience a soul is just a newborn child

But Cultivation hardly took all of his memories, only a few of them. She took away a part of Dalinar. You cannot say that the sum of Dalinar is Rathalas and his memories with Evi.

7 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

You also have no evidence that Dalinar would have changed at all without Cultivation while I have evidence to the counter

I never said that Dalinar would have changed without Cultivation? I am just confused why you consider that being changed by Cultivation and the effect of Thrill is so different. Your argument is that he became a very different person due to Cultivation's infuence Do you think that Dalinar would not have been a wildly different person if not for the effect the Thrill had on him??

12 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

Cultivation took Dalinars memories that is a fact we have known for years

I think you misunderstood me. Frustration said that shards cannot change people, I said that they did not have any proof for that claim.

Just now, Frustration said:

Only taking memories?

You mean evedence aside from her own words?

That shards cannot change people

18 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

Nobody said he was a new person, at least I never did

You... did? Here:

30 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

while Cultivation made something completely new and not really connected to Dalinar

18 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

He was an incredibly changes person

 when someone takes away what makes a man

his memories and his drive what if that man is left? Only the good parts, 

I am extremely confused. A man is memories + drive + good stuff?  (Or do you particularly mean Dalinar is?)
Why is his drive what makes him?

18 minutes ago, Bejardin1250 said:

Yes, Sadeas would have found a way to convince Dalinar, maybe even killing Evi himself to do it

Well, we hardly have any evidence for this either way, so all I can say this that this seems extremely unlikely, but we'll probably have to agree to disagree.

The thing you call as a "horrible evil look" was Dalinar being Odium's Champion, right? Do you think that is likely, or even possible, without the Thrill?

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

Cultivation didn't change him, shards do not have the ability to do that, she only took memories

You have no evidence of the second claim.

Just now, Bejardin1250 said:

We got a look at what Dalinar would have been without Cultivation, it was a horrible evil look

After Cultivation something else happened 

Saying Cultivation had a very little affect is completely incorrect 

I never said Cultivation had very little effect? I just said that Cultivation didn't create a *new* person who was *unconnected* from Dalinar.

Also, do you think the Rathalas would still have happened without the Thrill? Would there have been even a chance of Dalinar becoming Odium's Champion, without the Thrill?

Just now, Bejardin1250 said:

There’s a difference between influence and direct change 

the thrill was an influence, it flared your emotions

while Cultivation made something completely new and not really connected to Dalinar

This is not true, she merely took his memories, (and possibly some of his bloodthirst/battlethirst). Most of Dalinar was still there.

2 hours ago, Bejardin1250 said:

This is my thought process on this:

1: The path Dalinar was on was to become an even more insane depot that would continue to kill people 
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2: He was only saved because of Cultivation’s interference 

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3: Cultivation caused Dalinars change

alot of you seem to be referencing therapies and stuff which isn’t relevant here because over here Cultivation did the heavy lifting and Dalinar just asked to be fixed for his own sake, and not to help the people he’s hurt

This is just untrue? You can also say that only reason he became who he was was because of the Thrill, so it's not really his fault. Humans are always influenced by outside stuff, you can hardly say that it doesn't count when that influence makes it easier for them to improve but it counts when the influence makes them worse.

Also, this is an older statement, but

On 10/5/2021 at 1:20 AM, Bejardin1250 said:

Sacrifice makes you worthy, and I felt that Dalinar did not make any of those until after Cultivation had changed him

I feel that this is a completely wrong way to think about things. You do not have to *sacrifice* things to become a better person. You do not need to be*worthy* to become a better person. You just.. have to be a better person.

...they aren't, though?

12 minutes ago, AonEne said:

Check out the tags and quote boxes.  

....I can only see the He noticed one. Also were the tags different earlier, I don't remember them.

I am curious. What did you do?

1 hour ago, JesterLavorre said:

This hit a little too close to home. 

Very far from home, you mean

Colorblind people:

On 21/3/2021 at 6:11 AM, Chinkoln said:

No, I have found other places. I have found many things that I have a plan for. Status updates and posts alike. And technically, the only thing that I might get in trouble for is necro-posting. If a staff members asks me to stop, I will.

Why are you doing this?

18 hours ago, AonEne said:

I don't think you started it, just popularized it

I meant it in a different way than most people probably mean it to. You were only scary 'cause I could fall for you

I know that is is a Jewish holiday, and is also called Passover, but that's it. I also seem to remember that you can't eat something called chametz during that?

TPBM Is going to exposit on pesach

You know, I'm starting to think that I shouldn't have started the whole scared of Ene thing.

3 minutes ago, AonEne said:

I'm not, but lots of people are because they tend to be very...perfectionist. 

Hmm? Perfectionist in what sense?

(If I had to hypothesize why people are scared about the theory people, then it would be because to them theory discussions would feel very aggressive and always on the edge of becoming arguments)

41 minutes ago, AonEne said:

Weekly bingo, anymore? 

All the four corners are free spaces, honestly

4 hours ago, Scarletfox said:

“I’m really tempted to ask for your address just to mail you a rubber duck”

 - @Truthless of Shinovar
 

edit in order not to double post: 

“What are nuns usually made of?”

 - Truth

I saw that this was posted 4 hours ago and got so confused.

On 9/8/2020 at 0:50 PM, The Awakened Salad said:

Jasnah is frequently depicted wearing purple therefore she is ace thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

8 hours ago, Silverblade5 said:

Lets try this one on for size

50 - 2sin(x) * (3 + 2cos(x)) = 0

Solve for x

No such x.

Actually, I was the spy all along

Me neither