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Okay I think this is an example of when people need to chill a bit. I've made my side clear but this is a bit too much. Illwei, do you have an idea on how to get exe alignment flips into the game? Do you think there's a Janitor/pseudo-Janitor we need to kill? Do we just need to wait it out? If it was your call, what would you do? Aman, I like my hat. Edit: hi... Maill? Huh. Hello!
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^ I'll add Stick to this question as well, and also urge Tani to ask TJ what happens if you copy a one-use power.
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Everyone’s a Mistborn, my claim was a joke. Sorry I accidentally prompted you to roleclaim xD Er... you can't edit out information from your posts. Just spelling errors and things you explain in an Edit: explanation
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I spy with my little eye... no steel vials.
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... care to share with the class? Jk, you don't have to. Actually maybe you shouldn't. Idk. Up to you. Do you know what happens if you use it on a Neutral? Either way, it's a one-shot Alignment scan with the added bonus of killing an Elim it finds for us so we don't waste a cycle exing them. That's... really powerful.
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Good to know. Orlok’s a Target Scanner. However, in your case, you target two people: the person who’s powers you’re taking, and the person who you’re using the taken powers on. Do you know who shows up on a target scan? Alternatively, if you get redirected, does that change which power you grab or who you use it on?
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I mean the redirects. Thanks to Stick I’m mostly okay with double things, but I’d like to watch actions a bit more.
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Erases a flip of a player who’s dying. However, usually it’s only on an NK and also wipes out roles. That’s… not exactly making me more confident. But good to know. Would you be willing to prove the first one?
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IMO, there’s either someone existing who’s keeping Alignments concealed, or there’s a Janitor. Either way, Archer’s a bit suspect. If I’ve got time tonight I’m going to start an action map. Still want to know what roles the others have. Archer claims an ability that doesn’t use an action slot. Aside from maaaybe Stick’s extra life, no one else has claimed that. Archer - what do you think is stopping flips?
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... yeah, wait a minute False alignment scans being good was not my takeaway from the AG. It worked, yeah, but it's not working here. For one thing, no inverse-proof like Kel's messages. For another thing, I wanted to vote Archer out anyway. Minor Reads List: Missing people but whatever I have a class now
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Answering this might be hedging the GM PM rules a bit too much, but are you saying this because you have an alignment or some other reason? Maybe ask Elan, idk. Edit: Oh hi Aman xD
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… bruh. You guys love talking when I’m not, it seems Thaid Archer Guess who has no time again! But fake alignment scans are a no-no. So is fogging things up. I do note Aman, but maybe for different reasons. @Tani - when you steal a power, does that stop the Epic from using it themselves? Also, do you know who you’d end up targeting on a scan like Orlok’s? @Illwei, maybe I missed it but any role update? Same for a few others and@Thaidakar the Ghostblood
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Hello! I’d ask why, but that’s been less effective so far, and I’m going to sleep so I won’t see anyway. Plus I’ve got a hunch why. All will be explained in time.
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I'm not giving too much credit to Devotary telling us how strong her scan is. But if it is more powerful, and Devotary wants to find Elim Epics, Archer's a good place to look Tani's a good call too, but Tani also makes me nervous. TBH one of the things I was worried about was Striker being a Veteran kill-everyone-who-touches-you role. Claiming that it autoredirected to a member of your own team... that breaks so much. But that makes sense. Don't trust Devotary. But I still think of all the SKs we could get, Devotary's one that will negotiate, or at least play along until greener pastures come.
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Yeah, you're in that group for the dupe role. Flavor's less so now that we have Robbin Hood on the case, but Tani's in there anyway. (Well, Tani's in there for another reason, but not as much as Devo-Archer.) LG74's given me enough reason to be more afraid of a half-hearted mass claim than a full one. So I'd be alright. Prefer not to, but eh. Honestly... I'm not sure if Devo's scan only reveals Epic vs not Epic or more about them, but maybe scan Archer unless we decide to stab him. Having our resident Neutral Killing know about Archer's full capabilities is just fine by me. If Mat can't lie, there's not much point to talking to Mat vs talking to TJ though. Except, of course, flaaavor. And it's more about Archer potentially being the only village outlet into that, for better or worse. Probably worse, because I feel like a weak village outlet is far less likely than a fake one. More so I just want to hear from @Archer. It's been a while. In Devo's defense, she's done similar things as Vyre, specifically not going for one wincon that needed her to kill the other Neutral (Battar / Mat) in my LG. But based on Epic/not-Epic ratios, yeah, somewhat SKish. It's tricksy to rock a rhyme, to rock a rhyme that's right on time It's tricksy...it's tricksy (tricksy) tricksy (tricksy) ... don't know why that was in my head. Tricksy as in not normal/not traditional/how most of this game is going. Either an Elim team that has a weird unexpected capability like Conversions or Arsonists, or something else entirely. hi aman, give me a sec Edit: Oh, yeah. That. I'm an Epic, but I'll wait to see what the others say to say what my role fully is. It's fun though, and pretty sure I can prove it.
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Once again, don't have much time, because spending too much time really did not go well yesterday. We're at a loss for what to do. Let's see if that can change. Because something that's been drilled into my head enough in Biology classes is if the world's too complicated to make a model, put in some simplifying assumptions. Option One: Standard Elim Team, Unaware of Lack of Flips If there's a standard Elim team, no conversions, either they're very small and uncoordinated or they're just as confused as we are. Maybe that will change tonight. Maybe not. But, let's assume they didn't know about their being no alignment flips until either 1) C2 or 2) Archer brought it up. Of course, that's assuming V! or N! Archer. In this case, I'm assuming that too. What does that tell us to look for? Look for anyone - especially known risk-takers - who shift dramatically after Archer's claim. Or, in general, look at early D1 compared to... what a normal D1 looks like. What's different. Option Two: Tricksy Elim Team, Aware of Flips Maybe the Elims knew, though. They could be less careful. But that leaves a certain Archer out on the field - why spill the beans? Honestly, I think E! Archer would have to. Either that, or claim vanilla. If he hadn't shared that information until he first got answers - around C3 - then he'd lose all credibility. Imagine if he claimed now. That would be interesting. Of course, Archer could be the Village Chosen One in this scenario, but that's a lead. Option Three: Tricksy Elim Team, Kill This would be Devotary. Not much else to say, unless someone wants to fess up to being a Roleblocker Overlord. Option Four: Tricksy Elim Team, No Kill Uh oh. This... feels like the simplest explanation, but it's also one we simply can't investigate right now. Unless someone has an idea how. Conversions, arsonists, overwhelming role power, pizza jesters... we'll see. Option Five: Tricksy Tricksy Tricksy *Inhales* STRIKERRRRRRR TL:DR, Archer and Devotary are suspect by role proximity. Not many other reasons. But if we're going on role claiming to the high hills, then I'm going to analyze things. Or at least make a portfolio for someone else to do it. (Others suspect by role proximity are Mat, Stick, Striker, to some degree Tani, to some degree Kas.) However, the same idea with role action means no Elim action also helps. Might need to map that out too. Why are blackout games always ending in action mapping? This is like LG68 on probiotics.
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… I have a few ideas. Better to type them on a laptop though. I had a slightly terrifying thought. Devo… does your hunter have a name? Do NOT tell me what, but do they? I want PMssssssssssssss
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The problem with this is, where are we getting more info? The Elims apparently aren't killing anyone. Devotary is, or is trying to, but apparently has a wincon to kill Epics. (Devo, do you need to use your own kill on Epics, or does exing them advance your win con?) Nothing is happening, which means either we've got a conversion or the Elims just aren't doing anything for some reason. It's possible that TJ's "events" mean that something will change on a certain cycle number, but there could also be any other trigger.
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… oh no
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Technically, everyone’s flipping Black… Honestly I’m a little curious if Devo’s kill will flip alignment. Could be just the exe that’s broken. That would be fun. I’m not that curious, though. Edit: Devotary, you’re not an Epic, right? But Striker is?
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Okay. Organizing time. @Archer, how's the whole Mat thing going? Can you still talk to him? What'd you learn? @Thaidakar the Ghostblood Thaidakar, a few questions. One, why did the fact Archer was using PMs near the End of Day convince you that he was an Elim and a Rioter, and two, why did you wait until the end of day in order to bring it up? What convinced you not to vote Archer? @StrikerEZ, did you're PM tell you you got hit with a kill? @Devotary of Spontaneity, Striker, sticking with the Neutral story? People are answering questions faster than I can ask, so I'll leave it their for now.
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... so we don't know Mat's alignment this cycle. Uh oh.
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GAH Tani Karn
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