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Hurk. That sucked. I still haven’t fully poured through the Karn C1. They’re also entirely new in my book (only played with them as Albatross in the AG, which I don’t count because AG, Dingo, what have you), although I’ve underestimated how much they’ve actually played. That vote… doesn’t make much sense, unless they wanted info… If you guys don’t trust it I’ll take it. But idk what that even means. I sleep now.
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TJ open PMs already before we all go insane ... I should be asleep. Instead I have a quiz I thought was 10 minutes long but was instead 40. rip.
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wait what.
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TBH, you could get roleblocked. That would be fun. Here we go agaaaaaaain
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Nope... apparently I go blind an hour earlier...
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Oh yeah. The Weatherman. So much for RPing as not-Faleast. But analyzing's more important. Please note this is very hodgepodge, based on just my memory and not actually rereading threads, and it's also 1 AM for me... I wish that number scared me more... Let's try your guys' style. Village+ Village Null+ Null Null- Elim Elim- Memes Well, for the complete lack of effort that took that went longer than expected. Any questions? No? Good. But if you do, I'll be awake for maaaaybe an hour, then good night and good groggy morning. So I will toss a slightly selfish vote on Tani. If you need me to move to Devo for panick reasons, you'll know where to find me. Edit: ... forgot Dannnex existed. Well, that's a reason to go into the Null pile if I've ever seen one. (Sorry Dannnex)
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Tag me in an hour or two and I might be able to get something in. I should be awake for rollover this time - although "awake" might be stretching the definition a bit Idk what to feel about Devotary. They poked me, and retracted without much reference to me in order to vote Stick... but if the only weird thing I can find is them voting me that's not something I'm going to run after. But if I can't do something tonight and wake up to you all pulling a paranoia bandwagon again I'll stabilize things. Or something. Something's a good plan.
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Well right now, it's, what, 3/2/1/1/1/1/1/1/1? Can't exactly get more spread out unless people vote more.
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Two Riots makes things complicated. Especially if you end up Rioting Karn or vice versa. But we can't really shut down all vote manip. As much as I'd like to.
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Great. Fantasitc. I don't suppose you learn who you're redirected to?
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Yaaaaaay Also, if you get redirected as a Rioter how does that work? I.e. if you're trying to move Striker's vote to Ash, and it redirects to Aman... does that move Aman's vote to Ash or Striker's vote to Aman?
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I feel like it might be easier to just ask people to vote someone even if they don't have an opinion on... I guess just Devotary. Wait, hang on. Do we have a plan? Or is this just C1-2 Electric Boogaloo, but somehow even worse? There's 2, maybe 3 Rioters, and the highest vote count is three? ... sigh. Well, it's not like I've got a better idea.
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Usually idling out of a tab leaves it "faded" a bit - I only see the pause for the Shard. But that makes sense. Ah yes. Later movements. Definitely a specialty of mine this game. Although I should vote, even if it's just to selfishly see if I'm the lucky Striker-bounce winner.
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TIL that my browser won't show up with a (1) for notifications unless it's a notification outside the page the tab is on. At least for here. Welp. Also, anyone know what it means when there's a pause || sign on the tab name?
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We don't even know if it's this next cycle - all we know is that we don't know what we're supposed to know! Also that Mat's at the bottom of the ocean, and might be resuscitated by a polar bear. Don't really know that but it's fun to think about. ... what ocean is around Antarctica? Is it just Pacific/Atlantic/Indian based on where it happens to be?
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Yeah. I don't want to be left out of the A-Train Waiting and seeing is probably my plan for now. I think I've managed to weasel out of playing more than a few games with E!Archer, though... except MR52, where I was too focused on taking down the other two Elims. I've got some more work to do, but I've got some time left to scour C1. I hope.
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... don't think I'm going to quote all of that, because I think I agree with most of it. I haven't done a full blackout in a while (since LG68, I think - and that one definitely had some issues with knowing named roles, although the 8 village scans also had something to do with that), so I'm fuzzy on the exact rules around role-naming, but I could see Mat not claiming that part for a reason or I could see him not claiming because. TUA in non-convert-world should be fine, I haven't pinged anything specific. Archer is more... if he's the only interaction with the delayed-cycle-alignment flip we all assume exists, then he's either much more important than he seems or he's hiding something. Could be Reviver, could be something else. I might hunt for a Sja. Easier than trying to track down a convert... or a Malibu. Although some individuals have been quiet today. Archer's claim is... risky, but Archer. He claimed the confirmed villager two games (LG73 Non-Rithmatist and LG76 Professor Anders) very quickly. And I feel like there's some tricksyness there. It might be less accurate for Archer to assume there's Village Epics than, say, a Rioter clone: but, if that is assumed, it would be strange if a large amount of Village Epics decide to vote out a claimed Village Epic because they're a Village Epic. Of course, E!Archer might think of that. Especially if the Elims can convert Village Epics... and I'm going in circles again.
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Pretty sure his role was technically "Scientist of the Knighthawk", so that's probably fine to say. Mat didn't. Fair point on the rules thing though. (Cobb / whatever his full name is is your role name, right? Idk if that's important.) Thing is it goes back to flavor choices again. If conversion is making an E!Epic out of a V!Vanilla, then that's directly Calamity or someone channeling Calamity a la... what's her name? Regalia. ... wait a minute, the whole origin writeup was about flooding. Whatever. Anyway, that's canon accurate but also limiting on what's actually going on. Making E!Epics out of V!Epics would assumedly be using powers too much causing corruption, which I've ruled out because of how widespread panic that would cause. Or it's a normal Sja-esque (or normal, Sja technically wasn't normal) conversion game, with an Epic that can just do that. Let's be honest, my vote stayed on the same person for 48 hours. That's the definition of not volatile (I was asleep during the Karn mess, though. Doubt I would have moved after already panicking about counter-Stick but still.) I guess of that pool, TUA is the most interesting because of a Vanilla claim. Means they'd be both a decent first convert and a decent Converter... but I know I tend to tunnel on TUA so I'll discount that. Plus, again, too obvious. Orlok was definitely reading the thread a few times C1, just never posted until 5 hours before rollover. Also my Archer paranoia is acting up again. aaaah Ghost-busters! ... I'll see myself out.
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Hey @Illwei (or another Mafia expert) - are there ever MU or other games that have Arsonist Converters? Ie they tag a bunch of people and then convert them to their faction?
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... Mat claimed before Striker, didn't he. Well, both times I've seen Mat play Neutral (where I can remember) he had a vested interest not to claim Neutral. Although that was 1) a Kandra SK and 2) Battar, who would get killed by Vyre if claimed, so who knows. Also the content of that role is innocuous on its own, but he left out the flavor of Knighthawk, which is interesting in the context of all the non-Reckoners-verse Epics. Really I don't have a reason besides that. It's just a gut feeling. Because this is weird / something is weird. I do think Mat had a better chance of being Elim than a random target (despite being a mostly random target at the start) because of the weirdities of the three trains, but this game is weird. ... you know, I'm now realizing that I meant "Epics corrupt the usual way" as in Epics corrupting like in the books (power usage). I think it is like my Sja game, although I feel like it would be limited... depends how much TJ's sticking to flavor. But from what I've heard, I don't think he is. As for Stick and Archer... did Stick claim Epic C1, or just role? Archer is a possibility. But his ability that's claimed isn't all that dangerous, it just takes a little more info away from Villagers, info that in a normal game we wouldn't be getting in the first place. Also Converters going for the first possible target is risky... although good to know. Yeah, Kas would definitely do that More it circles back to if 4+ players all can choose to convert, and could theoretically convert all at once, something that would immediately break many many things. I said what I thought about Mat earlier, but it's a hunch. Also does anyone have a vote count? You're all doing a good job not tunneling and switching all the time but I've also completely lost track.
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Generally people lie about being converted to the Elim team But you raise a fair point. Village Epics can use their powers. However, I think a guarunteed conversion, even after X turns, is quite unbalanced, considering there’s at least 4 Epics and there’s apparently no warning about power usage. Plus there’s the traditional mindgame about Conversion games, which is that sometimes converting gives you the best win chance. Given a choice between being essentially a vanilla villager or a roled Elim, that’s an… interesting choice. Of course, that’s assuming Epics corrupt in the usual way, which I doubt. If I had to guess, the “main” Elim uses an ability that Converts Epics and kills Regulars. Or has a Convert that only works on Epics that takes up an action slot. And we just had two Epic Rioters claim. Fun. Edit because new page and no one’s posted (Kas): I was the one concerned about the Stick train, because up to that point no one had gotten off Stick when some people had been on for a while. Seemed like a counter-train and I didn’t like it. Honestly at this point I think Mat was a Neutral. Knighthawk was almost always neutral, and it’s the only non-Epic role claim out of… what, 6 now? But idk. Could go either way.
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It is a theme, but I'm wondering how far that theme goes. No mechanical difference (unless things interact weird because of named targets) but it's another layer of just what in the world is going on.
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I saw Tenet. That one was good. Unfortunately the place I usually see movies lately is on plane rides so I haven't seen many lately... got a lot of old ones to catch up on. And new ones. And plenty in the middle too. I guess Inception's in the middle. ... also if... you're... this just got a whole lot weirder. Less weird than no alignment flip and no kill, but still... weird.
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...I haven't seen that movie...
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No, I'm just confused and uncultured and read it as Balrog first
