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What just... nevermind. I still feel like Striker's the right call for now. But if TJ's gone that puts us in more of a tight spot...
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Quick Fix 52: Dancing in the Mists
Ashbringer replied to Ashbringer's topic in Sanderson Elimination
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QF52: Dancing in the Mists Jastes, Tensions in Luthadel are running high. The Ventures - don’t tell Elend I said this - seem to be close to breaking apart, the Tekiels were nearly slaughtered, and at least four different nobles have been exposed as Mistborn. One, Shan Elariel, was found dead at Keep Venture, seemingly killed by one of the Ventures' own Mistborn - however, rumors have already begun to spread that it was a setup like the one that took down the Tekiels. One by my House Hasting. Whether that’s true, I have no idea. But I do know that House Elariel wants revenge, and this gives them someone to lash out at. They attacked a caravan of ours, almost out in the open. And to make matters worse, Keep Hasting is hosting this month's ball. We had to bar any Elariel from entering, because… well, I don’t want to say in writing. You never know. But we don’t have enough intel to keep everyone friendly with the Elariels out, and we can't just postpone the ball. It would make us look too weak. Hopefully nothing goes wrong. -Telden Hasting Welcome to QF52: Dancing in the Mists! You've been invited to host the grand ball of Keep Hasting, to kick back, relax, and finalize those pesky alliances that have been so brittle lately. However, beware! Due to recent events, any members or affiliates of House Elariel are barred from the premises, and if found, they will be assumed to be conducting espionage and be thrown out of the keep*. Because, well, they will be conducting espionage. Or worse. So it is your duty as the Hosts of the party to keep an eye out for any suspicious activity and report it to the proper channels. However, we nobles can hardly act in the open - you must be discrete. Inform Lord Hasting quietly. *Floor level may vary. The Hasting Hosts form the Village faction, and must live to eliminate all of the Elariel Eliminators to win the game. The execution has a 2-vote minimum, and ties will result in all players tied dying. The Elariel Eliminators (sorry) form the Eliminator faction, and must reach parity with the Hasting Hosts to win the game. They have a faction doc and a kill every cycle. (If all players are dead by the end of a cycle, it also counts as an Eliminator win.) 0 to 0 is still parity. This game has a simple mechanism: anonymous voting. All votes must be cast through the GM PM, and the vote count (including who voted for who and who didn't vote) and execution-ee will be revealed in the writeup in the next cycle. Any vote, whether Green, Red, or Black, posted in the thread will not be counted, but can be used as an indicator of intentions - but are you sure they're really telling the truth? In addition, during the first cycle, each player may choose one other player. They will then gain a PM with that player for the rest of the game (made by the GM) starting the next cycle. Other than that, PMs are closed. (If two players select each other for PMs, then neither gets to repick.) Other than that, no secrets, no roles, just good old fashioned intrigue. Signups will end on Thursday, April 15th at 12:00 1:00 PM PST, which will be the standard rollover time unless someone yells at me to change the time back. Since I've got pinch hitters... there will be an inactivity filter of 2 cycles. You must post at least once during that time, or you will be replaced by a pinch hitter or killed. Also, @Lotus will be the co-GM and @Araris Valerian will be the IM! What? No, of course this isn't a mechanism for Ash not to spend time making vote counts and watching the thread. Why would you think that? Player List: Spectators/Pinch Hitters: Quicklinks:
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I feel like it's just a gut feeling... you and Striker (and Araris, for that matter) have been having a bit of a wallpost battle to put it mildly, and I just... don't think that's something that you would fabricate. Not to this level. That and it would have taken one more turnover vote for the exe on Elandera to flip over to tie with Striker (assuming Elandera would have self-presed if another person voted). Which if there's only one Elim not named Quinn or Striker, seems like quite a gambit. I could be convinced to move to TJ if someone can differentiate TJ from voting Connie.
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I would say I think C is most likely, then D, then A, then B. But I feel like the real team is something different... I don't think Forge is an Elim, though... she doesn't have ties to much. I'd be hesitant exe TJ or Connie here, because they seem to be the "wild cards" where either or both could be Elims and they're just too untied to tell without more info. That and besides TJ's spurt in activity I still haven't seen anything to tell the two apart. And I don't think Araris is Elim based on that D3 organization, unless Books is as well, so no real sense in voting out Araris now... That leaves Striker, Quinn, and Books. And blast it I don't have time. I don't want to vote out Quinn, not with them outing themselves as a Roleblocker (especially as a Roleblocker). So I'm good with these two... just... which one is it. E!Books implies E!Araris. E!Striker implies V!Quinn to me, but I'd have to look more carefully (inverse applies to V!Striker and E!Quinn). And I think E!Striker could imply E!TJ as well - the early vote from Striker on TJ is ringing alarm bells for me. The thing is, I don't think E!Books can tell us much more. So... Striker. On the Elandera exe... I'm intrigued by the fact Elandera moved her vote to TJ only for then a push on Striker to generate, which Elandera said she may join but never did. I don't know what that means, though, because it didn't involve any input from either of those two (aside from their early votes on Elandera) and there was no third vote for Elandera to tie it.
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It could work. Depends on one thing though: @Matrim's Dice, how do the Slips interact with Dalinar's ability to move a vote? I feel like I'd rather depend on Dalinar being able to move a vote than on everyone buying Slips (Slipped Notes? Why is my brain calling them that?)
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Uh... you're reading it backwards. Bold is who got 'voted' on, list is who voted for them. (Also Araris and Striker listed four which is why they got split in half because otherwise it breaks things.)
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I don't know why I'm still alive. But there's a lot of potential for protection in this game, so maybe the Elims just wanted to get a kill for certain. I have a few... other ideas, but I'd rather keep those to myself for now. (That and I have a... very weird track record when it comes to figuring out why Elims do things.) This is what we had last cycle from the three-suspects thing - I'll include Elandera, I guess. Striker - Elandera, Quinn, Araris Quinn - Elandera*, Striker, Araris TJ Shade - Ash, 1/2 Striker, 1/2 Araris Connie - Ash, 1/2 Striker, 1/2 Araris Elandera - Striker, Quinn Forge - Elandera Araris - Quinn Gneornin - Ash Connie, Gneorndin, and TJ didn't respond that I can see. ... speaking of which. Can anyone with more time than me find anything that separates TJ and Connie? I swear every time they've been brought up the past two cycles it's been together, and the main differential that I thought I found was just wrong.
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Uh... good to know. Any suspicions? I'm still very wary of exeing Quinn/Striker/Araris. Less so of Striker, I guess. A bit suspicious of TJ and Gneorndin, and to a lesser extent Connie, but more for lack of contribution than anything major. More trusting of Quinn and Araris, somewhat trusting of Books and FMN.
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Well that was nerve-wracking.
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I... oof. In case you haven't noticed I've been busy lately. I think I could run a game, but I don't know when I'd put rollover... could do noon PST, could do something like 8:00 PM PST. I think I could do it though. Maybe. If Bard doesn't want it. I also need to get it approved... which should be doable but I need to figure out my "final" ruleset first.
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Not on Araris, no
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Okay, I'll go Elandera. TJ's been much more assertive; Elandera's really only been assertive about players who are now dead (Dannex, Archer, Illwei, notable living player of Tani). Although I find it interesting that Elandera sussed TJ at one point and never followed up on it. ... that and I'm afraid the three of you will rip each other apart if I don't get the exe out of your reach. Edit: Gneorndin
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I'm reading through Elandera's posts right now, trying to find if something sticks out. Might do the same for TJ, but he's been talked about more in here (and I gut read him worse than Elandera). I just don't want "info on Quinn/Striker/Araris" to be my main motive on voting out someone not named Quinn/Striker/Araris. Even though I'd rather not vote you three out, if my goal is to be information, that's what I would do because that's what gets that done better. Or I find a new goal. Also I'm emotionally against taking my vote of Gneorndin/Tani because she still hasn't said anything
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I guess... it seems like you're (royal) exing Elandera because of how her flip would affect other people, not because of what you think she'll flip. Which is why everyone decided to exe STINK in the MR, which ended up not affecting anyone because he wasn't Zane/Gneorndin. That was a very different case than this one, but it still gives me pause. Better point would be if we're talking about what info we get from an exe we need to talk about what info Village!Elandera gives us as well as just Elim. I like it more than exeing one of our our Triple Threat here, but I'd like to have more info on what that actually tells us and/or why the suspect is actually suspect. ...That goes for TJ too, Araris I'll look at the pair of them. What's 30 more minutes of procrastination going to do.
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... I like how "funky formatting" is literally just one extraneous line I feel like Elandera hasn't... done much that's AI? The main thing that comes to mind was her reaction to the Whysper switch, but I feel like watching Araris organize a switch not from him to Books, but to an entirely new player vote wise would be weird enough to look at regardless of the alignments at first. Particularly if she wasn't reading Whysper as Elim. ... do I have time to go down this rabbit hole. Probably not for long.
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Anyone have a vote count? Looking back RandBy's Araris vote was before Araris mentioned switching from Books to Whysper. So that's less condemning that I thought. Still find it a bit weird that that's when RandBy chose to act, but Connie I expect will act differently. I'm looking at TJ/Striker. You too @Gneorndin.
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Grrr. I'm going to be busy tomorrow and was not expecting my test to take up literally until the last 10 minutes. So here I am. Let's try this. Can everyone list their top three off-the-top-of-your-head suspicions? That ended up working fairly well in the LG (well, besides being two cycles too late). I personally would say Connie, TJ Shade, Gneorndin/Tani. Connie for the weirdly timed vote - even if it was before the Whysper jump, it seemed weird for RandBy being so inactive. TJ and Gneo more of just gut / not contributing as much. TJ usually jumps in when he can if there's not someone else pushing activity, and Tani feels... not just less active, but more laid back, I guess. ... half of this applies to me as well. I know. And it's irritating me. But all I can really do is take what time I've got. I think Araris is good, Elandera is good until further notice, Books needs more vote analysis, and FMN seems at least genuine. Quinn and Striker I can't tell - but I will say that we're finding, again, that not pressuring people to be active leads to them not being active, and that just leads to the active people being the only ones to accuse each other. So, Gneorndin. I'm not sure which timezone you're in but tomorrow is another day, and I want to hear more from you. And committing to something now will hopefully help me to stay committed. Ash out.
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... I forgot to follow the thread. Again. Will be back in the afternoon.
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... I like the title.
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Eh... sure. Books Whysper. Reaaaaaally don't like that RandBy vote though.
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I'll vote Books. Their activity is odd this cycle. @Flyingbooks, could you post a read list? Because you seem to be suspicious of only Whysper and Araris, who happen to be 2/3 of the people voting on you. And I'd rather not vote out the relatively active Araris (even if he wants to go talk to Illwei. Sorry .) I felt a little off about Whysper last cycle, but they feel better this cycle (although perhaps just because she's being somewhat active... and using less smiley faces.) I'd be down to turn this into a contribution crusade as well, if only because that would probably help me actually remember to post...
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Sorry guys, I've just been burned out lately. (Mainly from trying to figure out what was going on in the MR, if that wasn't obvious... but also just in general. IDK.) Why did you feel so certain that Dannex wasn't Elim? And why was everyone else on his wagon up for grabs as more likely Elim? I mean, you should assume that most of the wagon would be Villagers themselves. Elims aren't going to all pile on him. That's usually how it works. It doesn't seem like you put any thought into who was more likely the Elim on the wagon. Whysper, where exactly did you get this from Books's post? They don't mention who was voting on Dannex, just you. Edit: One hour goes by, and then Quinn and I post simultaneously ... okay then ...
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I'm with Illwei, time to go haunt the dead doc I am very glad you weren't Marsh TJ that thread title scared the spikes out of me TJ, this was epic. And probably the most nervous I've been about a game's outcome since Striker Kandrified me. (Speaking of which, sorry Striker! I not only failed to Coinshot you but also ate your corpse. Well, you won. So we're even .) And being a Coinshot was insane, even though I'm not sure I actually ever managed to redirect an action. I hit two Soothers, a dying Tineye, and a dying Terris... 3/4 of which were my own Straffites. (And Quinn, because.) Also: one of the early clarifications is that if the game had ended with all players dying, it would count as an Elim victory (for the Elim teams that were still alive before that ending). So if it had been a 1v1, I think just murdering you would give me the win (if you weren't using Steel, in which case it's still 50/50).
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Oh! Right. Gears. Faleast fell from the sky. Somehow his storm of coins didn't actually hit anyone, but simply spooked the Bystander who ran into the spire. Well, that would be enough. If Straff cared enough about her he could go hunt her until the end of the world. Faleast had more pressing matters. He landed, slamming a knee and wrist into the ground, superhero-style, pushing off the metal below him. It looked cool enough. It also broke his fingers. Oh, for Ati's sake, AraRaash said, cutting Faleast's scream into a mental one as the kandra triggered Progression. The bones set themselves back in place. Then he stood up, turning to face Roko. It wasn't hiding. Why should it? It was like him; neither could ever kill the other, and Roko already had what it wanted. Faleast... not yet. The spike was an excellent start, but there was a larger opportunity at hand here... "Roko," he said, giving a short nod. Then he changed. "Or is it Vin?" Zane's mouth said, giving a short smile as scars began shooting down his arms. "You should really be more careful where you leave these things lying about. I've been meaning to start more of a collection, and the spike... Steelpushing... that's just the cinder on the ash pile, isn't it?" He stood there, quiet for a while. A false Watcher, a Vin without her body. Nothing they did here mattered, on the grand scale. Roko had captured the soul of Vin, the blessing of Preservation. And Faleast had interwoven himself into Straff's power structure - Straff had "hired" AraRaash as a kandra to watch the Watcher, as well as a simple mercenary and as a noble advisor. With Vin out of the way, one way or another, Straff would rule Luthadel... with no idea the treasures that lay beneath. Straff didn't even know Zane was dead yet, and Faleast could have a lot of fun with that. But this world was lost. Vin had not met TenSoon, not learned the secret to stop the third army Faleast knew was on the way. And Vin had lost her blessing. This would be a Divergence. A lost opportunity, but it provided others. Less useful ones, but more satisfying. Faleast changed back to his original appearance. He wanted to do this himself. "Sorry, Roko," he said, levitating coins in his hand, readying his other. "Tell Derrick I said hi."
