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I don't believe I ever suggested that. As far as Bleeder goes, Bugsy is one of my last choices. I did say extortionists could target Bleeder suspects now, as an idea, but I never said they did on Bugsy. Reading these posts from last night, it doesn't look like the Sart lynch is happening. Which personally, I still think is the best bet, but I'll say Kynedath's plan is a go. Xino

Signing off, for 10 hours or so, to sleep.

Pyro did say it wasn't a constable- and once again, since we're all working together here to find Bleeder- I'm inclined to believe him.

Lylo is when the village is one mislynch away from losing. In this case that would mean that one more mislynch would result in the elims having a 3/5 majority over the village and dispersing the party without any argument. I don't think we're very close to this right now, which is why I think we can focus on Bleeder right now. Edit: Dang it, ninja'd by Kynedath

...Or let him Smuggle a vote and 'prove' his innocence. The second option just means we need to find Bleeder even faster. I do see this point. I am interested on why you think Sart has a 'very good chance'. HH was random, simply because he was sort of inactive. Sart has a disprovable alibi and was roleblocked the cycle without a Bleeder kill.

Yes, this is technically true. Honestly, I'm for the Sart lynch because it really is the only thing that I can think of to do at this point. We have no other good Bleeder suspects, and no other good elim suspects other then one who claimed. I'm at a loss and Sart seems like the best bet. I don't want this to turn into another HH. Edit: Actually, Pyro probably is claiming Sart was roleblocked because one of his fellow elims roleblocked him. Pyro knows that the elim who RB'd Sart isn't Bleeder, and therefore that makes Sart Bleeder. @The Young Pyromancer confirmation of an elim RBing Sart?

Because we are all assuming that the probable lack of a Bleeder kill makes Sart Bleeder.

After Bugsy's post, here is my 'most likely' option on the kill sequence: Sart was roleblocked. Thus there is no Bleeder kill. Bugsy was elim kill, Gambling Tycoon saved him. Xino was bartender kill, but protected by bodyguard. Either a village bartender and elim bodyguard, or vise versa.

If Bleeder!Sart was roleblocked then that would explain the possible lack of a Bleeder kill, making Xino and Bugsy the elim and bartender kills.

I think that is a good idea as well, but more as a back-up plan. I still would rather lynch Sart this cycle.

I dunno why I'm defending Kyne when I think they're elim but these statements contradict each other. An elim lying wouldn't kill Kyne if he himself was an elim distancing himself from Pyro.

Yeah this is completely true. Guess I didn't think that through.

@TJ Shade, How would that happen? Extortionists don't work that way. (I realize what you are saying, I didn't include an important factor. Extortionists target Sart saying "use Bleeder kill action on yourself" Example: Say Extor targets Bleeder saying "use bleeder kill action on yourself". Bleeder then has to attack themselves, to no effect, revealing Bleeder Say Extor targets NotBleeder saying "use bleeder kill action on yourself". Nothing would happen, as they are not Bleeder. In the defense of everyone going after Bleeder, Sart was the main idea last cycle to lynch. It somehow turned in the last few hours to HH, who was never the plan to start.

Will there be multiple Kandra, and can the Kandra have metalborn abilities?

We don't even know is Bleeder can role-block/redirect. if Bleeder is Sart then Bleeder can't roblock or redirect. But Bleeder could be a renowned, a gossip, or anything else that wouldn't cause this. Heck, Bleeder might not even have a secondary role. In the case of this, which is pretty likely, then Kynedath's plan doesn't really work as described.

@Kynedath then who do you think is Bleeder? Here is why Sart seems the best option to me: The alibi he gave could be accurate along with the Bleeder role He said he would use his ability last cycle to prove he isn't Bleeder and he didn't (unless he was roleblocked) He has given multiple names as Bleeder suspects echoed by no one else and jumped on HH at the end of yesterday Your plan is fine. But I think that it would be smarter (sarter ) to get rid of Sart. If he is Bleeder and your plan proves him to be, we've given him an extra cycle and an extra chance to get Winsting. I also think it would be smart, for any extortionists out there, village or elim, to target Sart's 'bleeder-kill action' specifically, as I think Pyro has suggested this before. (Ninja'd by Experience) Echoing everyone else, I doubt you're Bleeder but I think you are an elim.

This is the extra proof I need to solidify my vote. Sart

@Kynedath I saw your red vote and my initial reaction was 'why, no!' but you reasons actually make sense to me. That being said I'm not casting a vote for Pyro just yet. Here are the possible scenarios for the kill sequence last night, not concerning stacked kills (multiple roles targeting one person): 1. Xino was Elim kill, Bugsy was Bartender kill This would mean Bleeder didn't attack last night, casting massive suspicion on Sart. In this situation both Bugsy and Xino would have to be protected or be Bleeder themselves, who for some reason didn't attack. As much as I suspect Sart I doubt this one, I don't see any reason for the elims to have attacked Xino, though an elim bartender could've attacked Bugsy. 2. Xino was Elim kill, Bugsy was Bleeder kill In this situation, like the first, I don't see a motive for Xino to be the elim kill. Bugsy as the Bleeder kill is interesting as he was a suspect himself last cycle. This one I doubt even more then the last. 3. Xino was Bartender kill, Bugsy was Elim kill Similar to the first this would cast suspicion on Sart with no Bleeder kill. I think this is more likely then the first one solely on the thought that Bugsy would make more sense for the elims to target then Xino, and a village bartender could've found reasons to attack Xino. 4. Xino was Bartender kill, Bugsy was Bleeder kill This is very unlikely as there would be no elim kill and I don't see any reason for the elims not taking someone out. 5. Xino was Bleeder kill, Bugsy was Elim kill This could be right, though Bleeder attacking Xino seems random. Form the elim perspective Bugsy would make sense as eliminating a Bleeder suspect along with a impactful player. 6. Xino was Bleeder kill, Bugsy was Bartender kill The least likely one of all, with no elim kill and Bleeder going after Xino. That being said I believe options 3 and 5 are the most likely, with 3 pointing to Bleeder!Sart and 5 being Bleeder!WhoKnows. I also realize that stacks could've occurred and most likely did, Bleeder, the elims, and bartenders all likely submitted kills though it is very unlikely that only 2 players were targeted through randomness. Sart still seems the most suspicious to me for Bleeder. This early in the cycle it is unclear whether the focus is on Bleeder or the elims, so I won't vote yet. I still am disappointed Sart wasn't lynched yesterday, as that would've put us in a better spot then this mislynch did whether he was Bleeder or not.

And the Star Wars vs. harry potter one

This is bad. Now we have less Bleeder ideas then before, and a whole bunch of votes were cast on HH there at the end. Is it safe to say one of the later ones is Bleeder? I am completely lost, for one. I left last night hoping for a Sart lynch that would give us info whether he was Bleeder or not. Now with this mislynch along with two blocked kills there are too many suspects to have even a definite one and Xino honestly seems pretty darn out of the blue to me. Basically the only way I see this working out is Pyro spilling the beans probably more then the elims want him to. We need that extra info to stay alive. Whatever Bleeder did last cycle, well done, because you have sufficiently confused me entirely. @The Young Pyromancer what was your stalker result, which elim kill was yours, and anything else you are willing to share such as bodyguard protections that elims might have done or things like that. We really need to get Bleeder right this time. Which is also why I am confused. Was HH even a Bleeder suspect? That flip on Sart seemed way to fast.

Yay for this existing! I'm a fan of the tongue twister ones, and of course Scott Sterling. Who isn't? I also get a kick out of Prop Switch every time.

I'm nervously signing off. See y'all next cycle... and whatever that may bring.

But what I'm saying is this plan ends tonight either way, either with Sart being Bleeder and it ending or with Sart not and us lynching Pyro anyway. I would rather have a chance to lynch Bleeder then no chance, and Pyro's seemed pretty helpful so far. What roles? (Don't tell me actually) So far not very many people have claimed. The main one I can think of is Sart, and he's the Bleeder suspect... I don't trust any elims. I only think we should truce with them until the common threat, Bleeder, is eliminated, which will hopefully be tonight. After that then whatever happens, happens and the roles claimed have already occurred.

Unless we pick off Bleeder this cycle. Sart is a good bet, as analyzed by me and Bugsy. Let's go with that, @The_God_King. Pyro will A. Be picked off by a bartender this cycle B. Be lynched next cycle when Sart is Bleeder- therefore making this a more-or-less regular game. Sart isn't Bleeder- therefore casting massive suspicion on him as one of the originators for the Sart idea. Either way he is lynched. So today, when we have a chance, let's at least try to get rid of Bleeder. You say the village cannot work with the elims? I say it is our best and possibly only chance. @DeTess, @Lord_Silberfarben, @little wilson, any of you mind changing your vote to make this happen? (or anyone else)

Yes. Megasif replaced Hammond C3 after Hammond has been inactive the entire game, after there had been a Bleeder kill. So Bleeder can't be Megasif. Yes! Exactly!