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So, they moved to the right?

Shallan?

Hoid?

Sequence

So there was a third failed Lightweaver

My point is that she's still dead, doesn't matter whether or not we know what that mean Most likely not, people have to add them the the swords Definitely

That's two truths, 3 is when you get the plate Because she's a deadeye

Since Shallan is bounded to two different Sprens so I'm not surprised she has to say more truths than normal

Even Tien seems a more reasonable possibility

Elhokar

Adolin

Timbre

Welcome to the Shard Honestly at this point neither do I Well congratulation on managing to finish a theory by making the reasoning in that direction Honestly that's the case for a few allomantic metals too I also like Experience a lot, if only because it lines up neatly with the fact Investiture gains a mind when on it's own is part of Adonalsium's will I don't know how much I the Odium <-> Wisdom part, I do understand your idea of a parallel with Taravangian but I feel like Devotion would work better as Odium's counterpart and we know being Connected to oposite Shard is very detrimental to a Shardholder so I doubt Cultivation would have taken that risk (unless of course that was her plan from the start...). Don't get me wrong, Wisdom does belongs to the Experience quadrant, just not on Odium's line I don't really see how Honour can be Valour's Abstract, what I do see are reasons to but Honour in Control and Valour in Experience (less strong for Valour though) Again, I don't see how Growth can be the Abstract of Gift. I also don't see how Growth is supposed to be more abstract than concreate. I think Autonomy would work better as a Control Shard, in the "I Control my destiny" way and Ruin would work very well as Cultivation's pulling I like the idea Preservation as a Control Shard, I like Devotion (Love) being here far less I made a try at separating the Shard along these Dawnshards, I'm not sure how the Concrete/Abstract symmetry works for that list and I used the second Dawnshard a bit like a "I don't know where to put this" Dawnshard so... grain of salt Devotion <-> Odium Wisdom <-> Valour Dawnshard: "Experience" Mercy? <-> Endowment Unknown <-> Ambition Dawnshard: "Moralize"? Similar to "Virtue" as above Whimsy <-> Invention Ruin <-> Cultivation Dawnshard: Change Honour <-> Dominion Preservation <-> Autonomy Dawnshard: "Control"?

Dalinar?

He said Surgebinding was 10, Voidbinding was 10 and Fabrials+Surgebinding+Voidbinding was 30 Didn't he also said at some point say Surgebinding was of Honour and then said it was both H and C? Anyway form Scadrial we know all magic system don't necessarily appears at the same moment (it's even implied that if Preservation hadn't betrayed Ruin Allomancy would never had existed) so it's possible it just ended up that way for no reason If you forget that Honourblade healing don't work, maybe Then how about Ishar making people one with the ground? I see them as the "great power comes with great responsibility" order so their Cultivation part is growing in their ability to handle great responsibilites Yes, because the Sibling is using Growth for them By the way, why is the Sibling able to use Cohesion and Progression? We know there were people bonding with Sprens before there were Oaths and that made for weaker Surges, so I think it's more of a probably Acceptable Ok, first how did I make that mistake? Second, what? Is it how honour did it with everyone when he was alive and since Cultivation care more about Singers than about Humans she only do it with them? Well, to 100% we go Technically no I don't think removing friction would help much here, depend on what the ground is made of honestly. Probably I don't know, it's implied to have been bigger in the past Well, we're screwed That's too much magic system

He said it was either 3 or 30 and if it was 30 Fabrials were 10 of them I'm saying inly Cultivation has her own system (Old magic) each of the 10 centric systems are balanced magic system like Ferruchemy is Also Shallan mentioned Jasnah couldn't get Transportation to work as it should But they used the Sibling to grow food not Soulcasters Spiritual Tension made Moash blind, I call that a physical effect. Do we have confirmation that no one knows how? We know Hoid don't but what about Khriss? Having Cultivationsprens give a mostly Honour Surge feels weird

He also said there where exactly three magic systems other than Old magic No, I mean Voidbinding. Surgebinding is of Honour and Cultivation so Cultivation powering it is not really her co-opting another Shard's investiture while Voidbinding is (most likely) of Honour and Odium so her powering it would be co-opting another Shards Investiture (of course Dustbringers and Lightweavers eyes are an exception, they're red because their associated gemstone is red)

Brandon wouldn't Misremembered WoBs I suspect Honour fuelling Lifebinding would give the user red eyes, same for Cultivation fuelling Voidbinding That's my point actually, we know a Bondsmith did something to the order's Nahel bounds and we have Radiants that shouldn't be linked strongly enough to breath Stormlight in that can so I think Ishar (or another Boundsmith) created a Connection between every one bounded to a spren of Roshar and Honour so they could breath Stormlight in. Oath accepted by an external source that I remember: Kal's 3rd and 4th, Lopen's 2nd and 3rd, Dalinar's 1st, 2nd and 3rd (stormfather except for Kal's 4th) Shallan's 1st and 2nd truth to Pattern (by we're not sure who) Venli's 2nd oath (probably Cultivation), iirc her 2nd oath was previously refused by the Stormfather Szeth's 2nd oath (by the woman he was a squire too) Navani's 1st oath As we can note it never happens for the 1st oath outside of Boundsmiths, probably because for the Boundsmiths we saw it was the human who went to ask the Spren while for every other Radiant it was the Spren who came to the Radiant I don't know, we've seen Brandon say things more wrong than "this is how it works for 7 out of 9 of the order but I'll imply it works that way for the 9" and we've had other WoBs where he was purposely unclear on how the Honour/Cultivation ratios between sprens worked So I'm putting the probability if Syl not being full Honour at 99% instead of 100% I think Brandon said Fused were supposed to have more internal equivalent of the Surges, which is why the Deep Ones change themselves so they pass through the rocks while Venli move the rocks and why the Division Fuseds are ablaze while Releasers set things ablaze. Also If I remember correctly Stormlight grants increased speed and endurance but not much strength so it could be an example of Lift using Growth on herself I had forgotten this I don't know, they are using Rlain technique to make plants grow faster from Stormlight Add to this that Stormlight can fuel Allomancy or Awakening and my argument completely falls flat Gravity is an agreement between friends, changing this agreement is a Siritual effects Beside eye colour of course Honourblade are probably equivalent to 5th oath in ther of power Are you sure you don't what to switch Abrasion and Cohesion? Edit: also, Division as a mostly Honour Surge? Personnaly I'm betting on "Radiants can but don't know how"

Kal? I mean he would refuse them but...

Lift (by Shardbearer you do mean Shardvessel, right?)

I'm not sure what you mean, are you just pointing not every Kandra have metallic bones? Well if they shapeshift you know they are a kandra so it's as hard as to make a human take an X-ray, which is to say it's quite impractical but still would have been mentioned when MeLaan talked about how hard it was to tell a kandra from a human

And so Seer don't know the result in advance

I still don't get why they use silver

They have two metalic nails in their bodies. Also if they have metallic bones they'll look slightly different than normal bones on a X-ray

As I said which light(s) you can use should depend on Connection to Shards (I don't think many ferruchemists who could have breathed the white mist could also have breath the black one in) so I blame Ishar Or maybe Syl is talking about Nohadon? We also know Fabrials are part of it (well, Rosharan Fabrials at least, Elantris and primer cubes obviouslt aren't part of this) Exactly as much as any truespren Don't forget Shallan's truth being accepted by "we have no idea whom" I don't think we have definite confirmation Honoursprens aren't pure Honour Well first there has to be a mechanism preventing her from becoming a Savant That idea looks very weird when you put next to it the fact the three Mists can be equally used by ferruchemist I'll say it again : she's the only one to have ever used Growth I don't know whether that can help but I'll give you this WoB