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I don't know what you mean by 'compressing' a feruchemical attribute. Not really. Nicrosil feruchemy would be completely useless without compounding.
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Yes it is unreasonable. Why would power levels affect the way it's tapped and stored? Also, if medallions worked like that, then storing your abilities would permanently store them and leave you powerless.
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Medallions and the Bands are the same thing. It's just that the bands had access to compounding. Unless you can explain how someone can use powers from F-nicrosil without tapping F-nicrosil, that WoB is innacurate.
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How is that any different? That's F-nicrosil either way. According to that WoB, it shouldn't run out.
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He noted that the stores that changed his levels of investiture were running low. That's F-nicrosil.
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That WoB literally says that they can tap it. And regardless, you don't have to be able to tap it in order to compound it. Also, this WoB contradicts BoM, where Wax notes that the F-nicrosil stored inside the Bands is running out. That doesn't make sense if this WoB is accurate. Books above WoBs.
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You and I have different philosophies on these discussions. I know that a Radiant of the fourth ideal has a huge advantage over a Mistborn in open battle. I know a Mistborn's better at assassination. So I look for strategies and situations which could cause a Mistborn to win. If we put both players on an even field, a Mistborn loses the fight. If a feruchemist is tapping speed, why can't he tap it all at once and then use it as he wishes, instead of being limited by holding his metalminds? That is a good point, but it is still entirely possible that they haven't experimented enough (Because of the treating metalborn like gods thing) to figure out that a nicrosil misting could become a Fullborn.
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So how are they getting the powers? They have very few Mistings. They treat all metalborn as gods. What? They need to constantly tap it in order to use the powers. That's how feruchemy works. Odium's release would likely not immediately lead to Scadrial's destruction, as he'd have to get through Harmony first. And this is Mistborn vs Radiant, not Odium vs. Harmony.
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Wait, what? How do you think they get the power if they can't tap it? If they can't tap the power, they can't use the abilities that the medallions give. If they have no A-nicrosil mistings, they have no A-nicrosil medallions. Every fight is rigged. in all reality, a Mistborn assassinating a Radiant is much more likely to happen than a straight-up fight. Mistborn are assassins, not fighters like most Radiants. Let me reiterate: If you can't tap the medallion for power, you can't use the power. So how do you suppose they get the power?
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I don't believe it works like that, or else Kaladin would have had a very hard time using adhesion of the floors of the tower, which are manifested from the Sibling's essence. Look. They tap the metal, and the power is inside them. Then they store it. That works, yes? So then, they could also compound the metal. I don't see your problem with this. Soulbearers cannot compound. You need A-nicrosil for that. What is unfair about saying: 'A Mistborn has a very good chance of assassinating a Radiant, regardless of their ideal'? Nothing. Just like saying: 'A Radiant has a very good chance of killing a Mistborn if they have the advantadge of surprise' isn't unfair to the Radiant. Both of those statements are factual, so far as I see them. Do you disagree with these statements? While a Mistborn is burning a nicrosil medallion that gives them the ability to tap and store Nicrosil, they have tons of the ability. More than they need to actually store and tap Nicrosil. So they can store the excess. I don't see the issue.
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If the metal is not invested, then it can be pushed and pulled. That's because a Feruchemist doesn't get their abilities by tapping a metalmind. Do they have soulbearers? metalborn are so rare in South Scadrial as to be considered gods. Stormlight does not enhance skills such as balance, it takes you to your peak level of fitness indefinitely. 'Thug' has always been a misnomer. Basically every time we see a Pewterarm, it's noted that they move with 'pewter enhanced grace' or something similar. When explaining how to burn pewter effectively, Ham explicitly mentions burning pewter when he stumbles to give himself an instant sense of balance. Radiants never mention taking in Stormlight to give themselves an extra sense of balance. It does not take millennia of skill to casually walk up to a Radiant from behind while soothing their caution, then stab them in the neck from behind and start leeching. Again, doesn't work because the Mistborn can tap tons of F-nicrosil to counter it. Yeah. But I'm not arguing that a Radiant will take forever to learn to use their powers. We're using Fourth ideal Radiants here. I'm arguing that it would take a long time for a Radiant to learn to use a Surge fabrial. Duraluminum compounding will work extremely quickly, and shouldn't be a problem. And where are you getting Miles not having metalminds that were that full? Because they've been storing the ability inside of metalminds? That's kinda the point of compounding.
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And that metal is not necessarily a godmetal, and thereby can be affected by allomancy. A feruchemist has to touch their metalminds in order to use them. A Mistborn could eat a medallion granting F-nicrsosil, then compound it and store all the excess in another metalmind. They don't have a Mistborn, so the identity conflict would still be there preventing a Fullborn from happening. Chapter 69, page 687 of OB: Pattern was fairly close by, but that is a good point.
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I think (read: hope) that Brandon will have enough authority to keep any movies or tv shows pretty loyal to the books. The controversy I've seen recently has stemmed from deviation from the source material. -
Because His conversation with Harmony didn't last that long. Well, 1/16th of that is still pretty small. Even a pair of bracers would be vastly more than that. The Sibling incorporates normal metals into the tower, and metals in Fabrials are not necessarily invested. Source? No they did not. Kaladin could hold Stormlight just fine, they only detected him when he used it.
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Plate has an interference field that generally protects the user from hostile investiture. Although I haven't been able to find any WoB's on the subject, I feel like there was one that was brought up here earlier.
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I believe that Ishar forged the Oathpact with the powers he received from Honor, but he did not create the Nahel bond, as the Heralds were surprised when it first happened. Ishar did, however, create the Knights Radiant, and I'm guessing that he used his powers to bind the Nahel bond to oaths.
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The Longest Thread (Misadventures)
NameIess replied to ElephantEarwax's topic in Forum Games & Random Stuff
Nameless slapped Thaidakar thinking it would look like he thought it would help. -
No idea, but here's the quote from tWoK: Wax wasn't dead for ten minutes. and the Steel in the spearhead was only 1/16th of the total mass. Was the spearhead 16 times larger than a normal one? Probably not. So she didn't have a very large metalmind to work with. Except metals can be pushed on via allomancy, from a distance greater than inside a large house. With the ability to tap Nicrosil, a Mistborn could compound their allomantic abilities. They can. Take a nicrosil medallion that gives the ability to store and tap Nicrosil, then compound it, which will key that investiture to your identity, removing the leftover identity from other people that causes interference between medallions. Then take other nicrosil medallions that give the various allomantic abilities, and compound those. The identity gets keyed to you, you're now a Fullborn. Reason 1 is valid, but reason 2 is not. A Shardblade is simply too far superior to any other weapon, and not using one does not actually completely protect your spren, as they are completely vulnerable while not summoned. If anything, seeing anti-light being used would cause the Radiant to immediately summon their Shardblade in order to keep their spren safe. You could do that, but you also use metal. Why use such a non-standard material other than to stop a Mistborn from affecting you, something Radiants have no idea is a possibility? Mistborn gets +dexterity from Pewter, and the Radiant doesn't. So they're stronger and more dexterous even before the Radiant's stormlight gets leeched, which will happen in a few seconds after contact. Alternatively, the Mistborn can pull a Pursuer and stab the Radiant in the spine to paralyze them, then leech away all their Stormlight before they heal. All of this arguing over a magic system is silly. We can, for the theoretical argument, give any side any equipment. You want to discuss a Mistborn with metals and guns against a Radiant with fabrials? Fine. How do you think it would turn out? On the other hand, I say that if we give both sides a month on their respective planets to prepare, the Radiant could maybe get some surge Fabrials and some other ones, while the Mistborn could become a Fullborn. They still took weeks of practice, as I remember. Learning to use a gravitation fabrial would easily take that long, perhaps longer depending on how exactly you use it. Shouldn't be too hard to control safely, just make sure you have enough metal to store all the attribute in. Alerter spren are weaker than Bronze, which can detect that somebody is holding Stormlight: Again, compounding would key the investiture to your identity and allow you to gain all the powers. That WoB doesn't say anything about a completely filled metalmind, just a filled one. Which could mean anything. Additionally, the Bands of Mourning, a full metalmind, was only slightly less invested than a Shardblade: So unless that Elsecaller has a ton of Stormlight, it's not happening.
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The Longest Thread (Misadventures)
NameIess replied to ElephantEarwax's topic in Forum Games & Random Stuff
Nameless winced as Roman's punch smashed right through his mother and then bounced harmlessly off his indestructable skull. -
The Longest Thread (Misadventures)
NameIess replied to ElephantEarwax's topic in Forum Games & Random Stuff
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The Longest Thread (Misadventures)
NameIess replied to ElephantEarwax's topic in Forum Games & Random Stuff
So Nameless teleported Roman's mom into the way of the punch. -
Then why is the justification for why gemhearts are valuable: 'They are super useful for soulcasting, as larger gemstones take longer to break', as opposed to: 'They are super valuable because they are emeralds, and based on the apparent value and mass of emerald broams, are worth tens of millions of dollars'? Alright. She still got there extremely quickly, using the stores that were in a very small metalmind. Suppressor fabrials are hard to transport, short-ranged, and easy to destroy, even ignoring the fact that the Radiants would have to convince a sentient spren to become one. Additionally, a Mistborn could just use compounded Nicrosil to become powerful enough to overcome the suppression. And if we're allowing all magic systems that either side could feasibly have access to, then the Mistborn is a Fullborn via compounding medallions. so now we're doing Fullborn vs Radiant. I think we all know how that ends. Superspeed+superstrength+superhealing OP. Anti-Preservation light will be very difficult to create. You must find the tone of Preservation, which, considering that there is no Preservationlight, will be extremely difficult. In fact, you might have to get Preservationlight (Mistlight?) in order to convert it into Anti-Preservationlight. So not something you could do in a week or two. Someone tapping that much speed and burning metals would be highly invested, so that wouldn't work. Gravitation flight would be faster, but the reaction speed of the Radiant would be 10 times slower. So they could run, but they couldn't fight.
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Then why do they care about gemhearts so much? They're just as valuable as a bunch of smaller gemstones stuck together. Not at all worth the cost. How? There are limits to how much investiture a metalmind can hold before it is completely full. Perhaps compounding allows one to fill a metalmind more, as the 'pressure' of it allows you to squeeze more in, but that's not a Kelsier thing. Regardless, the fully invested plate armor isn't even necessary. 500 hours of speed should be more than enough. Go to 10x speed, repeatedly bash the Radiant's Plate with some suitably large object until it shatters, casually dodging any attack they throw at you. What exactly can a Radiant do against that except run away?
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Yeah, bronze would find Surgebinding by default. The Mistborn does have a chance at close quarters because of Chromium, but yeah, on the whole getting close would favor the Radiant.
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Then why is it mentioned multiple times that the larger the gemstone, the less likely it is to break? Ah, sorry. Letryx said it, actually, and then you replied to my reply to him without reading the context, I guess. That's not how it works. And even if it is and the multiplier gets as low as double, then ten minutes will only require 20 cycles of burning and storing to get a 1 million times multiplier. With Duraluminum, that could be finished quite quickly. Still manages to search the entire temple extremely quickly before running out. 200 times is eight cycles even assuming compounding only multiplies attributes by 2 times. And honestly, I'm assuming it's way more than that for any attribute. And how would the bands be more than completely full? So? It's not like I'm giving the Mistborn access to the powers of a Sandmaster.
