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I don't think there would be a difference, as Stormlight is investiture already. Liquid investiture is more dense, so that probably has an effect. I don't believe that living plate needs light to function, only to heal, as seen by how Jasnah was able to walk across the battlefield in plate, and have a conversation with Wit all without Stormlight. However you probably could keep it from healing. Though, I'm not sure if it could dismiss plate, or crack it. It would probably work on those below Oath 3, but at Oath 4 Kaladin was unaffected by the Sibling. But I agree, we should probably keep non-standard equipment out of this as much as possible. He could see them, but even Wax at that point couldn't push on their souls. And Radiants are far more invested. This honestly feels like a much more even match up to me., and it definitely makes winning much harder for both sides. Tin would be increased to frankly unreasonable levels pewter would make them almost as strong as Shardplate Steel/iron could push on trace metals Copper, is copper. Bronze could easily pick up even lightweavers Zinc/brass would be blocked by shardplate still Bendalloy becomes not just viable, but incredibly valuable, as full minutes of planning in seconds is outright insane. Electrum, I don't know how useful it would be without the mental increases Atium gives, but it probably has some uses. Chromium becomes incredibly efficient Duralumin becomes even more of a game ender, honestly a duralumin coin might be enough to crack plate through a reverse lashing. Windrunners do still have reverse lashings which makes it much easier for them to avoid taking damage. Orders with Gravitation lose a lot of their advantage in mobility, as now the mistborn can use trace metals to push on, though they would still have a pretty noticeable height limit. Division, would make touching the ones with it a bad idea, and give them some counterplay to coins and leeching, but Chromium would be much faster, and would probably prevent them from causing too much damage directly. Abrasion would provide a good defense against projectiles, but they lost almost all of their mobility advantage. Progression I believe would still be useful, as extra healing is not something to sniff at, especially with Mistborn's heightened offensive output. But plants would mostly be off the table, as they all require metals, and thus could be pushed on. Illumination, without lasers would only really be helpful if the Mistborn increased their senses. Lightweavers also lose the advantage of being able to hide from bronze with its new strength. Transformation, I believe is one of the only surges that didn't lose anything in terms of usefulness. Trapping the Mistborn in an aluminum box would work just as well as it did before. Though you would definitely want to use aluminum, or other decidedly non-metals as otherwise they might be able to get out. Transportation, is interesting as the Mistborn can see into the CR slightly now, but they still can't really do anything to you. So, it's still good. Cohesion got completely invalidated unfortunately. As sinking a Mistborn's anchors has become almost impossible. Tension still has its place, and in fact might be the only surge to become more valuable. With direct investiture fueling a Mistborn would probably be almost as strong as Shardplate, so being able to increase your own strength is suddenly a lot more valuable. You'll notice that I didn't put anything down for Adhesion, other than reverse lashings, and the reason is full lashings are completely invalidated by leeching, and Bondsmiths are OP, so they don't count. So Willshapers can't lose, but they also can't win. Edgedancers have the defensive capacity to potentially outlast their opponent, but they struggle offensively. Truthwatchers probably can't win, and Dustbringers and Stonewards would have to get lucky. Lightweavers would probably have a pretty equal fight, I'd give it a coin toss. Skybreakers, Windrunners, and Elsecallers have a much harder fight, but I think they still win. On a side note how do squires fit into this? Because if we allows them the orders with them get a lot better.

Oh you most definitely would, and I'm not at all suggesting that it's a good idea, just that it is an option for your aspiring hemalurgist. Well, I don't know about that, how Investiture dense is physical strength, compared to invested abilities? Very carefully.

So, you can use Hemalurgy on animals So, you could steal like a chasmfiend's strength, and get the ability to throw people in Plate around for a single spike.

And ignore that Vin only did that because she was selected to, not based on any of her own merit. Otherwise you would have to say that Taravangian would make a better Mistborn than her.

Look, I like both, But dogs don't attack me when I pet them, and come when I call. Usually.

No, I'm not. Eshonai was talking about the Neshua Kadal and their spren companions and Gavilar immediately says "your people have stories of the knight radiant!" That quote clearly says that Gavilar found Kalak and Nale, and made promises to them. Then Nale told Gavilar not to do something, that he did anyway. Which does not match up with the prologue. Not a lot. We've known there were problems in their marriage since WoR, and probably earlier. And she herself said he'd give her an apology gift later. There were problems between them, but I never got the feeling that he was the usless idiot with no redeeming qualities we see in the released prologue.

If you want to start that early, I can take Vin from the fist chapter of FE, which puts it closer to 3 years.

Topic title carefully worded to avoid spoilers. So basically, we saw in TLM that mistborn can use Identity free investiture to supercharge their metals. So, it's time to play who would win: 5th Oath Radiant, or Investiture fueled Mistborn?

KoW finishes up before the second year does. And Preservation's mind was not working at the time, so it very well have just been her winning the shardaic lottery.

Right. Chapter 82 Chapter 48 Chapter 77

Alright, I'm bringing this back up, because I finished my reread, and wanted to make notes on the massive character betrayal this is. Gavilar was said to know that Kalak was a Herald RoW 927 Gavilar knew that spren bonds were needed for Radiance RoW 616 Gavilar was already working with Nale RoW 887 This prologue Gavilar is not the same person we were shown in the other books.

make a bullet with both harmonium and water components so that they mix when the bullet hits.

I can't find anything about pushing your own metalminds. Cubes are more than just harmonium as well. You could theoretically use them as incendiary rounds, but I don't think you could get slowness bullets. It would probably be so low when it got close enough to actually hit them that it would deal minimal damage. It needs that partial division that Electrolysis provides

It's not a combination of basic and full lashings, it's a combination of Gravitation and Adhesion. Why would it have stackability? Harmonium would be too weak to function as a bullet. It would deform once fired, and then its not going to shoot as far as you would need it to. Shardplate is that tough. The closest we get to regular hammers breaking plate is when warform parshendi surrounded and beat on Sadeas for several minutes, but he was still fine afterwards. Mists can do the same thing, it just takes more of them to do it.

Well steel is the only metal/non-metal alloy that works, and Harmonium is a shard metal.

After fifty years the rug has been there for more than half the lifetime of anyone around it, but still would not be considered part of the room. But anyway that entire point is irrelivant, because you can just soulcast the people away.

It says the narative reason is that the reader expects it, nothing about Kaladin's preception. Yes, let's assume it was skill that allowed in to do that, and not Preservation chosing her. Let's also ignore that it took Vin over two years in books to do that, and Kaladin has only been doing this for one.

Giving them a lot of breath(As detailed in step 2), should be enough. Well, I don't know about that one, the gems would be easier to maintain, and would extened the suffering longer, but lightweaving does have other applications.

Might be.

The standard model was part of my inspiration I think I've gotten it figured out enough that it shouldn't cause too many problems.

Are you sure? I'd have to wonder where he learned about g forces in that case.

I wonder if Harmonium oxide would be useable.

Theurgy is actually weilding a divine source of power, so that's what the Channelknights were doing. So, this is a complete suggestion, and feel completly free to ignore it, as I'm probably the only one weird enough to care, but Thaumaturgy is derived from old greek Thauma or "Wonder" and Turgy or "work", while Maty doesn't mean anything, so I think something like Allagi, or "Change" would work better, or Thaumallagi, quite litterally "Wonderous change" (though google wants to translate it to "Dazzle"). Once again feel completely free to ignore this, I'm just odd(and spent way too much time researching thaumaturgy a while back for... reasons), and if that's not at all what you were going for just keep with it.

Nice. How did you come to that name? Sorry this is probably the oddest thing.

Well it could get to that level, kind of like Atium and whatnot, it would just require you to tap quite a bit.