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Radiants can draw in stormlight instantly and carry tons of spheres in their cloths. and just pushing coins against them will more likly launch the Mistborn back than crack plate. On Stonewrads, again, the can take one step away, or just sink the coin, it isn't that hard.

Brandon often in these kinds of things says that (Insert Mistborn here) stabs them in their sleep, that's not a fight, but Brandon counts it. 1. Renarin is only the first, Rlain is another corrupted Truthwatcher and we know there will be more. 2. We have already gone over Twinborn, Halfborn, even Fullborn in the course of this topic, and if you want to go full on Mists and bring shards into this, just know that Odium on his own is capable of killing Harmony. If Duralumin gave as much a boost as you claim Vin could have escaped from her prision in HoA by burning duralumin, steel and pewter. People keep saying Mistborn are more versitile, so let's do a comparison, what can you steelpush? Metal, that's it. What can you use Gravitation on? Just about anything. and on top of that 16 things you can do, but half of them might as well be useless, good luck killing a Radiant with copper, or gold for that matter. I'm not sure what you are saying here. They survived two desolations with barely a year break towards the end, earlier desolations did not have Radiants and those were far more destructive.

The Power of the Theory People. Is that all feaure does? that seems kind of, unimpressive.

it's a reasonable theory, we don't have any evidence against it as far as I know.

According to Shallan a Chasmfiend is shorter than the fourth floor of Urithiru, each floor if fifteen feet, and Shallan has only seen one Chasmfiend, they can get to around sixty feet tall.

your thinking thunderclast, there Chasmfiends are carapice and flesh.

But it would put you out of fighting capability, unless your pain tolerance is superhuman

A seer has to hit with no draw backs or he loses.

closer to sixty feet tall

If our dear seer is able to hit those places with zero negative consequences he has plot armor.

It's twelve feet not meters, and Chasmfiends are covered in armor.

burning aluminum would heal shade whithering, so it's possible, but a moot point as if a Mistborn ever did that in battle they would get killed.

Atium doesn't give boosted strength so I'm failing to see how a single hit would be a KO.

burning aluminum might do it, but that isn't a useful thing to try mid battle.

Reread the battle of the tower again, Kaladin didn't take hits from the parshendi he dodged them, blocked them and countered, against an army, not tens of individuals. On top of that Windrunners only real speedcap is that they can't go the speed of light, they have controll of gravity and pressure and vacuum, so terminal velocity isn't an issue. Abrasion also removes air resistance, and transportation allows you to outright teleport. There are two, and both spren talk of more, they are not one off occurances, corrupted Radiants will still be a thing. It takes two men to lift the hammer, if they could carry it then they would instead they bring it out on carts, in all likelyhood Mistborn would need to flare Pewter to even use it in the first place. Shardplate gives so much extra strength that individuals have to try NOT to break metal canteens, when aside form Duralumin has a Mistborn ever been in that possition? Can you honestly tell me that one Mistborn would hit harder than a rockslide? Twice as hard? Becasue Dalinar surrvived two relativly unharmed. One hit from a shardhammer would have the same effect as Vin smashing a Guy's head in, so I don't get why all of a sudden it gets dozens of times stronger. She can't keept herself and her anchers afloat, they have to touch the ground that's how the magic works, if the anchors touch, they will sink, and the mistborn dropps with them. Ah, MIstborn and black holes are so comparable, now that I understand that a Mistborn is equivelent in power to the most extreme thing in the known Universe I'm going to change my opinions. ok, so One, Mistbron have not shown even a hint of doing something with Dur+Pewter that hasn't been done with plate, not even a hint. Second off no atttempt was made by Brandon to balance the magic systems so going for a storytelling argument isn't enough. It feels like Kaladin on his own should be enough to hold off the desolations, Yes. Do I think that that is just due to plot armor? Only a little, the times a Radiant is in "danger" are the exception, not the norm. Anchors have to touch the ground, that's how it works, and on the note of having more Lerasium Mistborn, only ten/eleven have ever existed.

I did, I still had the page open from before you did that. On the contrary every time we get a detailed description of Stormlight's effects it talks about the urge to move, it's enhancement of reflexes, Plate is even more extreme, Dalinar is able to cross what seems to be large areas in the space of ten accelerated heartbeats. Given that it would take 2-3 bullets in the same spot to break plate Duralumin-steel is at best a two hit kill. Just about every Radiant Order is faster than Mistborn and to top that off all you need to do to become immune to Atium is hang out around a corrupted Truthwatcher. It doesn't matter if they are flying, sink the coin in stone, and they will fall in. The amount of pewter you would have to consume to get to thousands of time strength is unreal, Druralumin+pewter is roughly equal to the strength on Shardplate normally, maybe a bit better depending on how much you had, but thousands of times power is an unreal amount. we have yet to see an attack both break and go through plate, I won't rule it out as impossible, just outside of anything a MIstborn is capable of producing under normal circumstances. Seven, actually but that isn't the point, they didn't spend a year in continuous combat, against an opponent that outnumbers them 1,000 to one. Unmade and Thunderclasts are the answers I'd give you, that and mobbing them en mass. Honestly it's become a problem for me while reading SA, none of the characters feel like they are in dnager, they keep surviving more and more ludicous things, I have no fear of any of them dying.

again, how do Mistborn beat Radiants, they are increadibly fast, magical tanks that deal infinate damage. Rise up a wall, turn the stone beneath them to liquid until they sink under and turn it solid an leave them for dead, you don't nead the ability to make new thunderclasts Even if you shatter the plate that won't kill them, but you no longer have any pewter and are going to die. Renarin jumps off buildings onto his head sveral times without a scratch when has anyone in plate died solely from a fall? Eshonia didn't drown until she ran out of Stormlight. Obviously Jasnah was not in real danger as her body was left there after she had been stabbed. How many Radiants have died since the series started? Seven, now if we exclude the almost Radiants that barely could draw Stormlight we have three. Three in over a year of fighting, now if we take out the one that was killed while unconsious we have two, two Radiants in over a year, who actually died in combat. Very mortal.

I, use docs, but why the comments?

Spoilers

then you put it in it's own thread, and if you want we can have a third where we compare the two, which I am totally down for that sounds epic, but unless it's evidence it doesn't belong as more than a single post or so. It would be premature to start those negotiations until after the duel of champions, as a large part of the state of Roshar will be decided there. Anytime.

Again, you can't use a theory as a counter argument for a theory. No it doesn't Dalinar already has a deal, why would they need more negotiations. According to Brandon they were looking for Design. It's in the starfall vision, and I think it's in WoK.

but it says it steals investiture, not invested arts, and if it can steal other powers why can't it steal Metalborn powers, and if it can what is the purpose of Atium?

Ok, first off please don't double post(posting twice without someone else posting) it's against site policy Second, if someone can lift 1,000 pounds easily, and I cannot lift 1,000 pounds, that is A>B>C I don't care if it's a falicy or not I'm not getting in a fight with them, because I will lose, no questions asked. Radiants can kill a Mistborn instantly, Mistborn cannont kill Radiants Instantly, Radiants can heal from everything short of death, Mistborn cannont. Radiants can make mistakes Mistborn cannot. I don't care wether you call it a fallicy or not until you can prove that Mistborn can overcome that disadvantage my stance is set. Third The entire area of stone moved, it later talkes about the ancient listeners making axes by dipping sticks into the stone, she doesn't need to make stone, any stone will do, with the power of plate and shardtools dirt can be removed and the stone beneath exposed, with that any Mistborn who sets foot on stone nearby will have it turned to liquid beneath them, and have their feet trapped like Kaladin in OB. Only I don't think snapping their feet in half is an effective stratagy. Radiants with stormlight alone are on par with thugs, give them surges, and plate and no metalborn short of steelrunners can compete. Dalinar fell through three buildings and was still in good enough shape to kill his opponent, a truck is not even close to enough. According to Ivory in a cut scene from WoR only a crushing blow to the head can kill someone holding stomrlight, so unless your attack is enough to go through plate AND pulverize the skull the Radiant will live.

Though, this does bring up a question I've had for a while, what would nicrocil steal?

My point is that even without any fuels Radiants still have blades and plate, making them one man armies. A Mistborn without fuel is an ordinary human. Venli made an entire section of Urithiru fluctuate and Willshapers are less attuned to that sort of thing than Stonewards.