Frustration

I'll adress these together. Have either of you ever seen a dodge during an actual fight? Aside form backing up it never happens. And if you back out of range you can't atrack either. Vin split the shadow by reacting to Zane, not time travel. She changed what she was going to do by reacting to him, that's entirely normal, and any skilled fighter does it. Heck unskilled fighters do it. Pewter makes stikes less life threatening. Given the description of Atium dodges, which is just "leans back far enough the blade doesn't touch skin" your balance isn't what you need to worry about.

Why you wouldn't be flaring pewter the entire time is my question. You won't run out before the fight is over, and there's no downside other than the increased burn rate. And you would never want to turn your pewter off. While yes fights only last a couple of seconds, they aren't set in stone from the get-go, your opponent will react to what you do, which is noted as foiling atium's ability to predict. But let's say you know exactly what I am going to do, you still have to stop me or you die. If I thrust forward you still have to parry. Dodging isn't really that effective, even with the combined abilities of Atium and pewter, which would make it somewhat viable, all your opponent has to do is lean a little further forward to get you, or otherwise strike again as they can turn to face you far faster than you can go around them. And that's not to mention that you can't get inside their reach. Humans aren't fast enough, and atium doesn't let you dodge into a place where there's no room for your body, with a weapon, or a shield you could do so, but without it you're toast. I don't disagree it has its uses, and the invesiture needed is exactly what such a metal deserves. But there are simple limitations it can't overcome. I think Atium would need to provide additional speed to the user to be as good as shown.

That is true. I was more referring to the oxygen problem, and Ashyn was mostly smoke and ash, so the oxygen imbalance would have been even worse.

They are the first worldhopper organization, in fact I'd bet that most worldhoppers survive because of information that the 17th shard collected. And they are so competent that Kelsier thinks it's worth his time to try recruiting from them. Realmatically as in, "hey these things exist in three ways", not as in "hey there are other worlds we can go to". Hoid might be their founder, but he doesn't lead them.

Atium, as it's shown wouldn't actually be that useful in combat. As shown in books Atium allows you to know what your opponent will do in the next few seconds and improves your mental ability in order to understand and make use of that information. Sounds great. The problem is that it doesn't increase physical abilities. It doesn't matter how long in advance you know an attack is coming if you aren't fast enough to block it. There is only so fast the human body can move, one that skilled fighters have already reached. Reach and speed are far more important than a little extra knowledge. This is a lot of what bothers me when we see atium burners take on multiple opponents at once. Even if they were only going against two people the normal people can attack twice as fast, and only have to worry about half of the attacks themselves. Honestly pewter is a far better combat metal than Atium, the ability to react faster than your opponent, while also only having to dedicate a fraction of the time to make a forceful attack is far better than seeing slightly into the future. If it came down to it I would say that an inarmed atium burner would lose to a slilled spearman. Now that's not to say Atium would be useless, but it would be more like instant skill rather than the autowin it is presented as. So the more skilled you are the less atium matters.

We know for a fact that they had pewter, and copper.

I've always found rocs kind of interesting. Like it's a bird that can grab an elephant in either claw and caary them away, very cool. Dew it. She has good taste then.

You don't have to participate if you don't like it. And if you think this is bad you should have seen the old thread. Area of affect is determined by the size of gems, the cut, and the amount of stormlight in them. I suppose it's possible that the metals used also have an affect, but we don't know. The alerter had a range oh hundreds of feet, probably a mile and a half, though I doubt that they could get a low gravity field out that far, so probably a half-mile radius at best. It can't be that bad otherwise the ashynites would have had problems when they came to Roshar. Though yes it will be more difficult and non-radiants will be noticeably weaker than they were on Roshar.

I did: Another one: Brandon writes really unrealistic fight scenes and its starting to bother me. A lot of his "most powerful" combat powers are in reality mostly useless.

No, I said they lost forms so they likely lost songs as well. I disagree on every level that there is a specific form that gives stoneshaping. I think rather that it is a song: the Rhythm of Stone.

That single bead of atium has way more investiture that that amount of stormlight. And why does the mistborn get an average amount of metals, but the radiant only gets a fraction of the stormlight they normally use?

To not interfere. They are also the oldest worldhopper organization, and most of the ghostbloods operatives are former 17th sharders. The worldbringers are dead, and were only vaguely cosmere aware Thw worldsingers provably aren't cosmere aware. And the envisagers were a splinter of the sons of Honor.

The ability to use atium is part of a mistborn's toolkit, but atium itself is not, and only a select few mistborn even had access to it. However ANY 3rd oath radiant has a shardblade. Even era 1 mistborn only had enough for maybe a minute of burning and have no way to kill radiants whos stormlight will last longer than the atium will. And when did Marsh become 7 feet tall? Honestly I think chromium is a better tool for a mistborn than atium.

The listeners forgot every form but mateform and dullform. Forgetting songs is just as likely. Honor didn't even know spren could give surgebinding until the Radiants, there is simply no way that singers could have been using them to shape stones.

Or that could be a power inate to them unconnected to spren.

Either Silver light, the IRE, or the Seventeenth Shard.

Probably, I doubt Aon Shao would have the same restrictions that fabrial soulcasters do.

"...Using powers of spren and surges we were forbidden to touch..." seems to include any such manifestations.

Hand crafted, you mean an even playing field. Hand crafted for a Radiant win would mean on the shattered plains in the middle of a Highstorm. Or a dozen other ways for it to be even more rigged. Does that include shardblades?

The Eila Steele says that singers were forbidden to practice surgebinding. And Voidbinding is Odium's magic.

Well that's some straight facts right there. I believe we once had a multi-page discussion about fry sauce. Join Scadrial vs Roshar post Lost Metal.

I would correct you but that's true. The Nazi's surrendered because Chuck Norris was born.

Alright, but I better be getting an explanation.

If they are approved by TUBA. Have you killed anyone?

Be me: Frustration. Decide to check in on The Last Post wins because I'm board. Take a look at discussion which appears to be some sort of cultic poetry about Mexican food. Make this post, still throughly confused. Leave.