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Makes sense.

Would Cultivation being there change Ruin? How?

All three of the things I said are true. It was Odium's plan, it will be addressed further in another book, and Dalinar has already.paid.rhe price.

In the original Terris prophecies, when talking about the Hero of Ages, it says "His name shall be Discord". Brandon has said that it is possible for Harmony's Intent to turn into Discord. I wonder if the Terris prophecy will still be relevant, or if Harmony will turn to Discord in the series.

I don't believe the problem is in how Brandon wrote the book, and more in how you're LOOKING at it. Namely, in that we're supposed to be just fine with the fact that the Rift happened. That is absolutely not at all what is happening. We are not supposed to be just fine with it. We are still on Dalinar's side, however, because he has changed, he is not the man in the flashbacks and he hasn't been since before the whole series started. He is a changed man, and his change was directly instigated by that event. Dalinar has suffered the consequences of his actions and he has changed for the better as a result, and that is his "redemption" arc. We can still agree with Dalinar in spite of that happening because he will never again commit an act like that, and because he is actively fighting for the betterment of the world as the man leading the charge.

I believe this topic is one book too early. We JUST learned that it happened last book. Distrust and condemnation from the events at the Rift will most assuredly play a part in the next book. Dalinar had a hard time being trusted when he was seen as just a war lord. After learning that he literally burned down a whole town and killed every person who lived there, that will absolutely make matters that much worse. You are claiming that there are no repercussions when Dalinar literally only learned what he did at the tail end of Oathbringer, when he was in the middle of a war with Odium, and has only just started writing a book detailing what happened. There was no TIME in the book for anybody's reactions to be seen, because so few people actually know about it. When it actually becomes public due to Dalinar writing the book, I am storming sure that that will change.

Yeah. Dalinar causing the events at the Rift to happen is kind of how Odium tried to get Dalinar to become his champion.

She did admittedly slip my mind, thank you for reminding me. Not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying the character's I felt were main characters while I was reading. Only Navani and Adolin felt like main characters but weren't radiants. And you ignore, the whole "conflict with Dalinar" thing wasn't brought up by my comment. I've been talking this whole time under that original comment's wording. And is it really a rabbit hole when Adolin is the character with the most POVs that isn't one of the main Radiant's? Kaladin, Dalinar, and Shallan are, I almost guarantee you, the only individual characters with more chapters to them so far.

Adolin is the only character at present that isn't a Radiant that I count as a main character. Renarin is one of the main Radiants, so I of course count him. Although if one counts Moash as a main character, we have that.

I think Lift is fine so far. She's fun, but she is definitely the main character I care the least about. When I first read her section in WoR, I really did not like her, partly due to the poor placement (it's literally right after Kaladin is arrested, and right before both an Eshonai and a Szeth chapter), so it kind of kills the pacing, the length of the chapter, which also helps kill the pacing, and the fact that it's following some random kid whose relevance we don't know until, like, haflway through the chapter, which made me not really care for her as a result. Even in Oathbringer, when I started liking her a lot more just due to actually knowing her and having her not feel like she's taking away from the other characters, she's still one of the main Radiants I have the least interest in. This will undoubtedly change, since Sanderson is a writing god, but that's just how I'm feeling at the moment. Maybe it is coloring my perception of her a tad.

Well, the original comment was about "a main protagonist not sympathizing with Dalinar and maybe not following him". Gawx, Fen, and Elhokar aren't main protagonists, and Lift is less her not sympathizing with her and more with her being a dumb kid distrusting him for no real reason.

Yeah, but I wouldn't call Elhokar, Gawx, or Fen main protagonists. Lift is one, but her conflicts with Dalinar are less serious and more based in "I'm a child who doesn't trust adults and you're an adult"

Yeah, but they're not really main characters. The only "main characters" who oppose Dalinar are antagonists, like Sadeas and Amaram. None of our main heroes are at odds with Dalinar, other than Kaladin during a couple of chapters in WoR after he was arrested and was going to help assassinate Elhokar, but that was kind of a personal issue for Kaladin that sorted itself out rather than a real big thing

tbh, I wouldn't be shocked if Kaladin learned about that and lost some respect for Dalinar. I don't think he would lose much to make him desert or stop listening to him, particularly after WoR, but his reaction to learning what happened at the Rift would most certainly be interesting.

I am well aware that Amaram had reasons and he believed he was just. That doesn't really change much. Everybody thinks they're right. That doesn't mean they are, and realizing that you're not right and changing, like Amaram refuses to do, is a far more admirable quality. Sadeas is another matter entirely. Sadeas is a morally repugnant snake who has never and will never feel regret or remorse for anything he has ever done and will do. Yes, he fears that Dalinar will bring down Alethkar. But that's because he fears that he will change Alethkar from the conquering, war-mongering nation that it used to be. Regardless, I don't really see your point. My comment was about why Amaram and Sadeas were villains and about how it had nothing to do with their actions but because they wouldn't change their ways regardless of what actions they committed. Their motivations were never really a factor in my initial comment

Nobody ever treats what Dalinar did as a good thing. Hell, Dalinar hates himself because of it. He sees HIMSELF as irredeemable, but even despite that, he's trying to do better. He doesn't want to be the warlord who would slaughter an entire village without remorse again, and he hasn't. Amaram and Sadeas aren't villains because their actions are worse than those of our heroes. They're villains because they refuse to change. Dalinar paid the price for his crimes by killing his wife with his own hands, but instead of staying how he was, or gods forbid getting worse, he decided to try and become a better man. Nobody claims that the Blackthorn was a good man. He was a violent, bloodthirsty, abusive man who was tempted to murder his own brother just so he could go out and fight and kill more people. Dalinar Kholin would be a villain if this story took place twenty or thirty years before it did. But he has changed, and in changing, he has become a better man worthy of being called a hero, even in spite of the crimes of his past.

Surprised nobody has said Hoid yet

I am very OK.

Nightblood. Who wouldn't want to be buddies with a crazy sword that will tell you to kill people and might end up killing you.

I now know the endgame of Stormlight. They're gonna go back to the past and kill baby Odium. It's fine because it's Odium (thanks Rhodey)

It's not supposed to be clear that it's Sazed. You're supposed to think it's Vin writing it.

Thank you!

Hi, I'm dumb and managed to forget all of the characters call signs. Can't find anywhere they're listed, and I don't actually own the book. Could someone help me out and tell me them? Thanks

Girlfriends?

It's because Vin got rid of his Metalminds. When Compounding, you need to have a Metalmind, otherwise you can't use Feruchemy. So when Vin got rid of his Metalminds, he became unable to burn Atium feruchemically, which aged him to his real age.