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Vin is stronger because she breathed in some of the mists as a child right? This is why she is stronger. But why do the mists make her stronger? Is it connection to Preservation, or something else?

All right. Thanks!

How much time passed between Sazed remaking the world, and the events of AoL?

The same thing happened to me in 5th grade! I got in trouble for reading in class! Although, the teacher taught us pretty much everything, not just English... I get the feeling

The cookies are spiked (not drugs). You could take them... However, I wouldn't recommend to anybody who likes their soul. The people who say to take the cookies are bakers murderers in the dark alley. Consider yourself warned. Don't worry too much about being confused. People who read a whole bunch of the forums start to catch on. I did (It only took, like, a week. And a few double posts.) On a more serious note, Hi! Welcome to the forums. What Sanderson books have you read (Or haven't read) and which is your favorite?

So, my english class has a student teacher. He isn't all that bad, but I can't tell if he thinks I am a great student, or hates my guts. He doesn't have very good taste in books, meaning he hasn't read Sanderson despite me recommending it to him. Anyways, we had a project based around "Into the Wild" and "To Build a Fire". I finished really fast because it was easy, and using GoGuardian (a program to let teachers see what we are doing on the school computers) he saw me on the 17th shard. He walks over to me and asks "Did you see last night's episode?" I thought at first he might have been talking about Shardcast, and he knew Sanderson, and I had been mistaken about him the whole time. Then he saw my confused look and said "Isn't that a Game of Thrones fan page?" It was then I realized the truth: I had been right about him all along. I pulled out my copy of WoA (which I was rereading) and said "No. It's a book thing- Brandon Sanderson. I think I recommended it to you once?" He stared, ignored my comment, and said something along the lines of "Okay, you get to read this poem about Alaska. It has deep meaning and stuff. Uh, stop being off-task." So that was great. The most I can hope for is for him to read Sanderson, but I doubt it. Some people have teachers who have read Sanderson (lucky) but most don't. Does anybody else have weird teacher problems relating to Sanderson (or not related).

336: Don't have children- they will likely die in some unfortunate manner or cause you to die slowly and painfully. Leave kids to people in other places, where their story is already over. They don't ever doing anything for years, until the sequel.

I can see why this would be confusing. I meant that the investiture gets put to the task of increasing distance between the 2. The allomancer wills the object to move, and the investiture they are able to summon moves it. The investiture applies the force, but not for the reason generally thought of as to move it away. I am saying the investiture moves it to increase the distance between allomancer and target at a certain speed dictated by the allomancer. The amount of investiture depends on the allomancer's strength, flaring or not, so on.

The Problem: I've been reading a whole bunch of threads about how steelpushing and ironpulling shouldn't work. The main complaint that I saw was how the strength and amount of push needed for one thing doesn't line up with the way it should. In the books: Vin push coin, coin hit wall, Vin go back Should be: Vin push coin, coin hit wall, Vin barely move as she realizes the amount of force needed to move a coin that far is super small and not enough to move a person OR Vin push coin, coin go so fast it breaks the universe, Vin go back. Except the universe is broken... A better description and exact details with math and stuff can be found here and here with much thanks to Jofwu and Pagerunner. The Solution: So, I think I have an idea on how it works. The general perception of steelpushing and ironpulling are that they apply a force to an object. If an allomancer pushes on a coin, their weight is applied to the coin, along with some other math stuff, which basically means the coin gets pushed. Pulling does the opposite. What I think actually happens: Instead of directly applying a force on an object, the investiture from preservation/harmony and the metal instead works to increase/decrease the distance between the allomancer and target. Imagine an unbreakable pole, leading from the allomancer to the target. When the allomancer burns steel and pushes, the investiture changes this distance, causing a force to be applied. Say you are pushing against a wall with a given amount of strength. You can keep increasing the amount, and (hopefully) the wall will just stay there, but you will be expending more energy without actually doing anything. Now switch the wall with a coin. You can push against the coin as much as you want, and it will move that much, but you can only push so fast. For a given strength, there is a maximum speed an object will go. The speed an object moves is not always directly related to the amount of force against it. This is what I call the max speed rule: an object will move at a certain speed, unless it cannot be moved at that speed, in which case it will be moved as fast as it can. This will NOT surpass the certain speed that was previously stated. Using this idea, the maximum speed rule, pushing a coin is really just moving a coin away from you. This causes a force on the coin. The idea here is that the force moving the coin is a result, not a cause. An allomancer pushes on a coin, the distance is increased. The coin is much lighter than the person, and as such it will be moved instead, because it has the least resistance to increasing the distance. Once the coin hits the wall, it no longer can move. Thus, to increase the distance, the person must go, but they will move slower than the coin because of the max speed rule. One more thing: Every allomancer has an innate strength. This strength determines how much investiture is put to work increasing the distance. The rules: Max speed rule: an object will move at a certain speed, unless it cannot be moved at that speed, in which case it will be moved as fast as it can. This will NOT surpass the certain speed that was previously stated. Innate strength rule: Allomancers do not determine how much investiture goes to work when they push or pull (Edit) but can influence it by flaring metals or pushing harder. How a push works with these: An allomancer pushes a coin. They set the max speed, intentionally or not, and the investiture put to work is determined by the innate strength. The investiture pushes the coin to its maximum speed until it hits a wall. The coin can no longer move, the investiture applied not being strong enough to push through the law. However, since the investiture has to go somewhere, it pushes the allomancer, since they can be moved. They do not reach the maximum speed, but are instead pushed as fast as they can by the investiture, which is determined by their innate strength. Edit: The investiture works to increase the distance between target and allomancer. This means it applies a force to move it up to a certain speed. Think of car that can only go up to 60 mph. You could go slower in it, but you have a hard limit of 0 to 60. The kind of car and the limit imposed is chosen by the allomancer. The investiture is like the gas- it will move the object, but only up the max speed, and once it reaches that it will just be wasted. The Tests: Example 1: Vin's training Vin is being trained by Kelsier on steel and iron. She pushes on a coin, and it goes flying. Once it hits the wall, she falls over and stops pushing. Vin pushes, meaning she wills the distance between her and coin to increase, even though she thinks she is just pushing on the coin- the distance between her and coin is increased, but the investiture can only move it away at the speed she tries to push it- It will not be the max speed of Vin's pushing capability because the investiture has to move it, and can only do it so fast. The coin hits the wall, but the distance still needs to be increased. So instead, Vin gets moved by the investiture, not as fast as the coin because it takes more speed to move her- this is her max speed for the given push and circumstances. So this checks out. Example 2: Vin and the wall Vin is still being trained, and is told to leap over the wall around Luthadel. She stands directly on top of an metal ingot and pushes. Vin works to increase her distance between the bar. The bar cannot move, so instead the distance is increased her direction. The force applied against Vin to move her up is the result. She gets up to the wall, freaks out and gets saved by Kelsier, blah blah blah. This works too. Example 3: Vin, Kelsier, and the tree. Vin and Kel are in a pushing match, with Kel against a wall and Vin against a tree. We know that Vin has a higher innate strength due to mist and stuff. Because of this, when the coin is trapped between the two and they both have sufficient anchors, neither of them move, and neither does the coin between them. The tree is being slowly weaked by the pushes, until it breaks. Once it breaks, the investiture can move Vin again and she will fly backwards because she still is easier to move than Kelsier up against the wall. This also works. I kind of ran out of example ideas, but I think this demonstrates the point. Summary: Steelpushes and Ironpulls work by changing the distance between the allomancer and target. The strength an allomancer pushes or pulls is what determines the maximum speed the distance will be increased and amount of investiture used in this action. When the amount of investiture working to increase this distance is not enough, the object will either move slower or not move at all. This is why some objects can and can't be pushed. Allomancers have a degree of control over the maximum speed, but the investiture is determined by the allomancers innate strength. Any thoughts on this?

Granted, the world is perfect. However, humans are not. Your bane is that you are have to watch all of this, and can't doing anything to stop it. Over time, the new generations learn NOTHING. They repeat the mistakes of the generations before them, building horribly inefficient and polluting factories, cities, and more, all the while killing the environment and ruining the lives of millions. The world was once perfect for them. They had a chance. And they MESSED. IT. UP. Now they're dead. I wish that this doesn't happen.

I read a story like this once. A kid's dad made a time machine, something dramatic happens, kid goes in machine, then dies in the cold of space. It was a bit depressing. Besides, we all travel through time all the time. We just don't turn around and go back through it.

*Wins the mostest*

For all of you people in high school out there- Yall know that awkward pause when every single person in a room stops making noise, and you don't realize it, but instead keep on rambling about something weird? Yeah that just happened to me. I was talking about whether or not it is possible to use a pressure washer to blow a person up (don't ask, you don't want to know) and the entire room went quiet but me. I finished with "If you attached it to the vein and turned it on would they explode... why is it so quiet..." Everybody started laughing. Except me, because I was busy being embarrassed. Anyways, does anybody else have a story like this?

Instant Regret Machine- IRM. Also, no longer regret because I win, and the box says so.

Hello! If you want a single cosmere story, then I would definitely recommend Warbreaker, it's pretty good (and it its a bit important, cosmerically speaking). Sanderson does have some non cosmere books that are really good, like Reckoners, Rithmatist, and Skyward. Another single story cosmere book is Elantris, if you haven't read it before. Good luck with the roommate! Of the books you've read, which one is your favorite?

Same. I think its the citrus acid or something. Kiwi does the same thing to me. Also, this made me win.

This is the kind of thing that makes me wish (even more) that the cosmere was real. Because then I could do these kind of things.

That's true. He could get one from Ranette though. I guess we'll see once the lost metal finally comes out! Whenever that is... Oops thats a double post... Sorry.

Odds are it can be done. Since ettmetal is Harmonium and Harmony is both Ruin and Preservation, with Feruchemy being the balanced system and Sazed himself having been a Feruchemist, it seems logical that they'd be able to replicate Feruchemy too. If ettmetal can replicate feruchemy, they could make a blackhole bomb! Just get ettmetal to store its weight in an ironmind, then pull it all out at once. I don't know the exact weight of ettmetal, so I am using the density of pure iron, even though that's probably super inaccurate. With a sphere having a radius of 0.5 meters, it would have a volume of 0.52 meters cubed. This means it has a weight of about 3937 kilograms. Using the density of iron as well, we can assume that the mass of the ettmetal is 30905450 kg/m^3. The Schwarzschild radius tells us that it would need, for a radius 0.5 meters, to weigh 3400000000000000000000 times its original weight. So if it stores its weight for 3400000000000000000000 seconds, or 1.0781329e+14 years. So maybe it isn't as realistic as I thought...

This is actually genius. I am kind of surprised Wax hasn't ever done this with one of his guns. With weight, of course. Not steel.

Using unkeyed metalminds, you could both solve world hunger AND obesity. You have a big bendalloy metalmind so that when people want to eat, they can fill the metalmind while eating, and people who are starving can pull out nutrition. Bendalloy is expensive, but still. This would be great, but don't copperminds work weirdly? Sazed has a few scenes with them, where he has to pull all the memories out, select a few, then put the rest back. On the other hand, maybe you could use this. Get tons of people to fill an unkeyed metalmind while watching flashing lights or something and then get somebody to access it. Boom- info overload and they pass out or something. As for allomancy- A sword that extends when you push a button. It doesn't need a spring, and can compact really small until its end get pushed out and makes it full sword sized.

*Is laughing at this exchange and winning because of it*

That's quite the concoction! Lift would be proud, except these are waffles, not pancakes. Also, it sounds really good and now I want to try it.

Aha! I've found you! I will... uh... What are you supposed to do with an evil liebrarian? I don't actually know. I guess... I will steal your library card!