Truthless of Shinovar

*gets flashbacks to that one 10 page thread all about whether or not it was morally acceptable* I think I came to the conclusion that while no killing outside the law is morally acceptable, Jasnah’s reasoning was sound and coherent, plus the act was done with good intentions, not just to teach Shallan a lesson.

I’m going to guess Jasnah, in the back alleyway, using the soulcaster!

Also, should we cut out the middle man when revealing the cards? That way we don’t have to wait as long, but instead we can just reveal the card that we want to the person asking? @ExperienceOh! Oh! Ideas for some people (feel free to use all or none of these) People: Kelsier, Vin, Siri, Susebron, Vasher, Shallan, Kaladin, Wayne, Lift, Szeth Places: Urithru, Well of Ascension, the Diem Weapons: The Stick, Nightblood, Glass Dagger

I’m in!

Can you add me too?

Oh, just ask the principal! WTWTTSW you start making shadow puppets on the screen during a movie in a movie theater?

No... not yet at least. Can play Hollow Knight music on the piano.

Of course, this was all irrelevant. For the checkers invasion was coming.

Both! Both!

He was, oddly enough, loved by all the knights.

Excellent first line 11/10

In my opinion, yes. It receives the most scrutiny, people have been studying it for millenniums, and generally across all civilizations (now at least), science is regarded as fact. We reached the conclusion that it is factual by experimenting and testing over and over and over and over again, looking for the little details, sequences, anomalies that make up existence. We compare and contrast, try to catch nature by cross examination, all using very logical and straight-forward methods; namely, the scientific method. More or less. I’m saying that we, as limited beings whose sight is oh so constrained, who see just what is in front of us and nothing else, who are deceived by a perception of time, and who are part of the universe but don’t understand it have a very odd understanding of things like truth. We typically live for less than a century, and our knowledge of space, time, and matter is riddled with unknowns that we can’t explain and don’t have the truths to. So yes, faith is required to believe that there is truth, firm and definite, and that we may never known it. In regards to the pain question, if somebody else lived through what you lived through, felt the pains, worries, and overall suffering, as well as felt the joy of life and experienced the good, they would understand you so completely and wholly that your truths would become their truths as well. Mortals are incapable of this, however, and so your truths remain tied to you. Because you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the pain that your felt at 1:40 PM today was the absolute worst you’ve ever felt in your life, and other people, they just can’t know it. They may have 100% faith that it’s true, but without the direct transfer of emotion, that truth is yours alone. So no, that pain would not be true for everyone else in the world, only yourself. I would say accept it in faith, but I want to answer this logically... It would be to my knowledge that truth will either come with time or it won’t. One of these two things will happen without a doubt. Faith is required for us to believe that truth will eventually come. Otherwise, we may believe, with no faith, that answers will never come over time, and that truth will forever be unknown since complete knowledge of something is unattainable, simply because we are mortals, third-dimensional beings who do not have the capability to be intimately aware of the truths of the universe. Similar to how no mortal can truly feel what you have felt, because they cannot know exactly how you feel.

Perhaps this is odd coming from me, considering my username, but here goes nothing (and I apologize if some of this has been said, countered, etc. before in the thread, I just skimmed through part of it): One of my favorite sayings is “Truth is truth is truth is truth is truth.” Truth is the state of fact, the undeniable existence of something that you cannot say in any way, shape, or form is not real. Oddly enough, as I considered what is truly truth, I realized that meant very few things. (Pessimistic/Realistic view:) Scientific law, for example, is not necessarily truth. Many things have changed about science over the centuries that were once considered fact. Take a look at a scientist living in 1000 B.C. and a scientist living right now, and their scientific “truths” would vary greatly. I imagine the same would happen if you were to compare the knowledge from a scientist from 500 years from today to the greatest scientist of our age. Personally, I am inclined to believe that among the scientific laws there is a great amount of truth, but of course, I could be wrong, just as the many scientists before I was even born. Through this reasoning, I can safely rationalize that if scientific law, the most “factual” thing known to mankind can be wrong, then among mankind, there is no way to know if truth exists. Among our specialized experiences that form our unique and individual lives, we each view “truth” in differing ways. People who have suffered losing a loved one might say that the truth is that there is no greater pain than that, while those who might not have had loved ones to begin with might differ, saying that in truth, loneliness is the greatest pain that mankind can feel. Hence why we have opinions. Even what we call fact (the sky is blue) is relative, and ultimately subjective (what if you are colorblind to the color blue? What about night time, aurora borealis, etc.?). (Optimistic/Faithful view:)So does truth even exist? With all this evidence piled up against it, I say yes. Truth can, and does, exist. Why? Simple. Eventually, with enough time and patience, truth is made manifest. People, “facts”, some opinions will be proved wrong time and time again until there is only truth left (What proves these things wrong is described in the next paragraph). These “ultimate truths” are perhaps more rare than we would think. Think about my example about the truth about pain mentioned above. Maybe in this case, one truth does not exist, but both people are right, without question. They have both felt unimaginable pain, and for both of them, it is fact. They cannot, with their current experiences, deny it. What separates this from opinion, however, is that should we live the same experiences of that other person we would all know that truths sometimes deep and personal things that are consistent and existent with no way of opposing the facts. Both people can be right. So in a very odd, ironic sort of way, truth is inconsistent. I would not consider these “ultimate truths”, however, as the ultimate truths are the facts and reality that exist and are true regardless of whether or not one acknowledges them. In regards to ultimate truth, there is an ultimate source. To be frank, that is God. He is a benevolent deity who knows and understands all ultimate truths, has created with these truths, perhaps even created the truths themselves. And while I cannot prove to you now that there is a God who watches over the universe and its truths, I can ask that you wait. Ultimate truth comes with the passage of time. In the end, we will know for certain whether or not I am right or wrong. Dang. I feel like I kinda ran in circles there. I was trying to keep it logical, but I don’t think I’ve got enough practice to really convey what I mean. Hopefully you get the gist of it. TLDR: Really, to sum it all up, I mean to say that truth comes with time. Evidence can’t be found in this lifetime, so we’ll have to wait and see what truths are made manifest.

Judge, I present to you another question! Can we all agree upon the fact that sand any where except your feet is extremely uncomfortable?

My pleasure. On the bright side, now we have three Be(etles)(atles)(eadles) running around the thread. The Beatles began playing Revolution to inspire battle rage in the hearts of all the Beetles. They took heart and charged towards the ninjas. Beadle attempted to sell one ninja his wares. Edit: More ninjas joined the fray.

Yes, the jury does in fact concur.

Holy cow, it’s been a while since I’ve seen you around the shard! I’ll give you a solid 7/10. It’s a confused looking... dog? I think? with spiky hair, thereby adding .5 onto the score. 7.5/10!

Then the Beatles arrived to fight the ninjas. With Beadle.

Interesting... Derrial Book. I've got no idea who that is. The first one I recognize is Legolas, in the number six spot. Edit: OH HECK YEAH IROH'S NUMBER TEN

He had created the wisdom-inator.

It’s wayyyyy too soggy.

*shudders* Cereal in milk is disgusting.

Yes, definitely.