Silus - Shard of Flame

Weren't we already talking about that? That's what I'm in second for anyway. EDIT: WHAT THE-!? How did you already pass me at time spent online!?

Eerongal, it's a reference to the new series, sorry. 1. I've watched the entire new series, even though I didn't start watching until the second series was already out on DVD. My parents got series one on netflix and that's where I first saw it. Incidentally, my first episode was Dalek, which is set in an underground bunker in Utah, where I live! 2. The concept of a guy who changes his face and travels through time is exhilirating. Plus the various story arcs are breathtakingly cool. 3. Right now, David Tennant, 10, though Matt Smith, 11, might overtake him, depending on his performance next series. 4. When I'm alone in the dark, the shapes in the corners of my eyes look like Angels. I instinctively don't blink when there's a picture of them on my monitor.

But wouldn't there have to be another Shard on Nalthis, in order for it to even exist? Ruin said that a Shard by itself couldn't create.

Bringing in an additional theory to this thread. Because (we think) there are 16 shards, does anyone else think they'll be organized sort of like the table of Allomantic metals? With pairs and quarters and things like that?

That's really frickin crazy. I doubt bet the version of yourself you see is the poor version of yourself, since you have to be both rich and crazy to eat that.

I was wondering about this too, but I figure we need to wait until we have a few more books before moving into that territory. The reason that a Mistborn RPG can work like this is that the books are done. There's no magic revelations we need to worry about for a while so we don't need to worry about our theories getting Jossed. (look it up on TV Tropes if you don't get it) I had a similar problem on a Ben 10 RPG I was in a few years ago, we made a lot of assumptions about how the Omnitrix device operated and most of them have been contradicted by the show.

Hi! Welcome to the forums! It's true, we the fans have kind of made our business to know what's going on and let other people know. We have a wiki in progress. There's a link around here somewhere if you hunt for it. Brandon's a unique author in that he's providing a steady stream of information to his fans. Some of that is in the form of book annotations, which are on his website. He's posted a few things on the Time Wasters Guide Forums, link on Brandon's website. But some of the things you referenced we actually picked straight from the books. The "Elantrians looking for Hoid" bit is from the first in Interlude from WoK, titled Ishikk. The three characters that Ishikk meets with, who he calls Grump, Blunt and Thinker(?). One of these characters, Grump, uses speech patterns practically identical to Galladon from Elantris, along with one word in Dula, kayana, which Galladon would use in reference to Raoden's plans (calling them crazy). This, along with other references to Elantris in the epigraphs from part 2 of WoK have led us to believe that Grump might actually be Galladon or another Dula. Thus, the crossover.

This forum was empty, this made me sad. Rutabega. Name says it all. If you could have a Smedry talent, what would it be and why? Be sure it's funny! I'll post mine when I think of it!

Welcome all made of awesome Nerdfighters, to the 17th Shard division of Nerdfighteria! Here there will much putting of things on our heads and decreasing of world suck. Identify yourselves or be judged a Decepticon in disguise!

You'll have to take me out first! Second place is pretty awesome. :

My thinking is that, from what we've seen so far, each of the different peoples of inherent magic to them, this might be the Alethi magic. A combat boost would go far to crafting them into a warrior sort of people, which they obviously are.

I think this makes sense. But perhaps not in quite the sense that one might think it does. Maybe Hoid was a human who received a part of Adonalsium, just as Ati, Leras, Rayse and the others did, but not an aspect of physical power, but its mind. Resulting in a sort of amalgam between the human he was and the mind of god that intertwined with him. This would allow him to know the other Shards on that personal level, yet still have the cognitive aspect of Adonalsium. Didn't Brandon say somewhere that Hoid used the Shadesmar to planethop? This would give Hoid that drive to achieve whatever it is he's trying to do. Maybe put Adonalsium back together? That's what I'm thinking. If you were a disembodied mind with your body scattered in pieces, wouldn't you want to put yourself back together?

I'm of the opinion that the Dor is something that was created by the magic creating influence of all the Shards on Sel mixing together and the various systems, AonDor, ClayShan, the Dakhor monks, are derived from the direct influences of different Shards. So I'm thinking AonDor was created by Aona, but other than that I'm not sure.

I'm having a hard time trying to decide whether Brandon put these in there to throw a bone to the theorizers or as a red herring for us. A lot can change between now and the end of the series to change everything we think about this first book.

Well, in Elantris, Raoden and Galladon used Aons to disguise themselves. I'd assume that with full Elantrian magic it would be even better.

If this is true, would that mean that whoever Hoid is talking to in tWoK part 2 epigraphs isn't a Shard? Because Hoid talks to him like he knows the other Shards' names. Which, if you're right and the Shards don't remember their own names, then this person can't be a Shard. Can they? I is confuzzled.

It really depends. When I read a book for the first time I usually don't have music going. I like to have instrumental music going because the words make it a little difficult to focus on the page. But if I'm rereading a book I'll just put my iPod on shuffle or one of my playlists and just go.

Very true. I have an ARC, but that's cuz I won it on a drawing Tor did on Twitter. There was much happy dancing when I found out.

This might be a theme in development, tying into the overarching Cosmere. Good catch.

The thing is about Shards showing up on different worlds as different deities is that Brandon has a tendency to, well, kill them off. Aona, Skai, Ati, Leras, the Almighty. That may only be five, but when you're talking about GODS, that's a lot. Also, our thinking right now is that there are sixteen shards. With the seventeenth shard (haha) referenced in tWoK Part 2 Epigraphs being a group of people who are aware of the existence of Shards and doing something about it.

Haha, you're not the first one to bring him up for TLR. I think he'd make a good choice, too.

I was a little confused on the mechanics of it and he cleared things up for me. I wasn't sure if, when you used the metal, you were affected by the time bubble, and he says that you are. Everything inside the bubble, including you, is either sped up or slowed down, it's what's outside the bubble that matters.

I have this idea for a pair of characters. One is a half skaa iron misting, he was raised as a noble until the Inquistors found out that he and his siblings were half skaa. They were used as subjects of the Inquisitors' Hemalurgical experiments. He was implanted with spikes charged with his family members as a prototype super soldier, also as a test to see how familial relations affect the process. Iron spikes from his father and twin brother, a tin spike from his mother and a steel spike from his sister, a steel misting. He escapes and flees to the Terris Dominance for refuge. He's now come to Luthadel to exact his revenge. I'm wondering if this allowed. The Inquisitors had a laboratory in their HQ in the books, so I'm assuming that means experiments. And what better place to get subjects than from disgraced nobility? My second character is a Terriswoman. She was a Breeder until my other character, in league with a group of Terrisman rebels, raided the place. The raid went south, but she was rescued. She's come with my other character to Luthadel to help him with his revenge, but also to try and find the children she bore but has never seen. She's a Feruchemist but isn't aware of it. She keeps a brass locket with her at all times. She sometimes unconsciously stores heat in it and draws it when she starts to feel emotionally numb. Again, is this ok? I'm looking to have a character with a good amount of backstory, but not overbearingly so. I'm trying to come up with some good conflict for these two, but especially the girl. The two are in their late teens, but their trials have obviously matured them. I'm also looking for a name for the girl. Thoughts, 17th Shard?

I have two theories on this. 1) The Reod, which you mentioned. 2) Somehow being involved it what would become the magics used by the Dakhor monks. But the idea has been presented on TWG that what happened took place after Elantris, and involved the destruction of Sel entirely. I doubt this, but it's still possible.

Not at all. I bet most of the staff probably have done that already. Now that you mention it, I might go through and take notes when I reread it. But there's no way I'm taking a highlighter to that book.