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  1. This recent WoB rules out Autonomy as the direct inspiration for the religion of the Iriali. It may rule out Taldain as one of the previous lands.

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    Solfor (paraphrased)

    So the Iriali, their religion the whole the One breaking themselves into the many to experience the universe. You also have Autonomy breaking themselves into many avatars. So I was wondering is Autonomy contected to the Iriali in any meaningful way.

    Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased)

    So are the Iriali connected to Autonomy in a meaningful way? 

    I'd say no, I mean they're slightly connected, but in a meaningful way no they're not connected.

    Autonomy did not start the Iriali religion.

    DragonCon 2019 (Sept. 2, 2019)

     

     

     
  2. Previous worlds: Sel & Nalthis and Yolen or Taldain. 

    Iri similar to Ire the world hopping Elantrian group. 

    Elantrians have metallic silver hair, Iriali have metallic gold hair. 

    Iri, Evi, Toh remind me of Aon Dor and similar Elantrian words. 

    Nalthis because Evi uses weird color metaphors “life will be as white as the Sun at night.” OB Ch. 36

    Nonhuman ancestry seems like a Yolen idea and their One split up could be Adonalsium. But, having three autonomous monarchs and the whole split up but still part of one whole is very Autonomy. I’m torn on this one.

    As to when they migrate, they say they are following a grand design of the One. I think it’s a “we’ll know when it’s time” or “we will be given a sign” kind of thing.

  3. 7 hours ago, ChickenLiberty said:

    Another thing that the Wandersail story is very similar to is Szeth's struggle the first two books. He kills other people because it is commanded of him, then later discovers that he should have never been made Truthless, then feeling the guilt from all of his murders.

    That’s true! He does flip out and self-destruct like the people in the story when confronted with it. 

    On the moon story, there is that mural in Urithiru that Shallan found in the room with Cultivation and Honor depicted. This mural shows a blue humanoid floating and embracing a blue disc that seems like the moon. People speculate the blue person is the sibling, but who knows. 

  4. I feel like Cultivation access to magic would be through progress/growth over time like it is with her part of the KR access.

    They swear ideals but not all at once, only once they have become ready to which is an internal growth issue.

    From Honor’s perspective there is no reason not to agree to more than one ideal at a time. That’s not how codes of conduct or laws work, we don’t agree to follow one law and if it goes well then we can agree to obey more. 

    As you said that’s why she or her super-spren wouldn’t know how to or want to grant Lift’s wish to not change.

    I think she has something to do with the gemhearts. Brandon said a one magic system is related to Fabrials and those seem to depend on gemhearts which are very nature based growing inside of living things and all.

    He also counts The Old Magic as a magic system. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/219/#e7932

  5. @Chaos On the Shard that wants to hide and survive ... are we sure that’s not Cultivation? Was Cultivation a confirmed Shard when that WoB was given? Or are we sure Brandon remembered that Cultivation was  already confirmed when he was writing that WoB about a currently unknown Shard? 

    Odium says Cultivation has “hidden herself away”.

    the Diagram started after Mr. T visited the Valley and is all about ensuring that a “seed of humanity” survives.

    Cultivation may have realized that it’s not enough and is changing strategies.

    It’s weird for Brandon to be talking about a Shard going through changes over the years if that Shard has never been introduced.

     

  6. The Lopen novella seems like the least essential SA novella one could think of, outside of a novella for The Stick. On the plus side The Stick's novella would be very easy to write. :) 

    I'm pessimistic about the 2020 release. I'm sure he has more tours he has to do and that will put him behind. Hopeful he'll decide which novella he wants to focus on and that is released in 2020. 

  7. I like how similar Rashek is to Kelsier. Both members of oppressed groups both charismatic and hateful towards to the ruling class. 

    I think TLR wasn’t into religion because he learned through his uncle that Ruin was screwing with the texts and the religion he grew up with was not reliable. 

    He put that plate in the ministry building quoting his uncle saying only engraving in metal can be trusted. 

  8. I don’t think a radiant could heal the parshmen. The person being healed has to remember what they lost on some level. They have to still think of themselves as being whole.

    These Parshmen were never whole. A Shard could fix them we’ve seen they can create life and move planets around. I don’t think Odium used Progression.

    I think Edgedancers have to become physically graceful because they are moving without friction. Any misstep and they flop all over, as Lyft does. That’s why she goes to her knees and paddles with her arms.

    Contrast her to the Fused she was chasing in Thaylen Field. The Fused was skating along very efficiently.

  9. 16 hours ago, Wyndlerunner said:

    This is quite intriguing- the descriptions of the primary, secondary, and tertiary arcs have given me oodles to speculate upon. Rhythm of War is also growing on me as a title- I was initially firmly in the 'Song of Secrets' camp- but it's starting to feel right for the novel.

    Agreed. They will have been at war for over a year when the novel picks up and the war won't be over by the end because there is another book in the front 5. Has a "daily life in wartime" feel to it. 

  10. Moash explicitly saved Kaladin’s life in tWoK when Dunny gets killed with arrows and is lying on a bridge Kaladin is going after the body. Moash tackles him to the side right before a cavalry charged across the bridge trampling Dunny into paste.

    Ch. 53 Dunny

    “There’s nothing you could have done. I’m sorry.” 

    When Kaladin summons Syl the Stormfather accepts his words AND there is a huge gust of wind that blows down the hallway through the hole Szeth made earlier. 

    Black Piper

    In my head I associate this with the Black Fisher. Both luring something out as a trick or trap. 

    Pied Piper lured rats out with music. Sirens lure sailors to their deaths at sea with music. Fishers get fish onto hooks with lures. 

    @Chaos connection is great, the Rhythms. There is a lot we don’t know, they are a “natural” Cosmere phenomenon, but Odium clearly offers corrupted versions to the Singers. Or maybe he tunes their frequency so they can hear the more hateful versions. 

    Taking Sorrow

    Definitely in line with taking “pain” including unpleasant emotions like guilt.

    I think Odium really takes them or they end up in his inferno anyways. Most of the Unmade we’ve seen don’t take emotion, they Riot it to borrow MB term. They intensify it and extend the duration.

    The Thrill has people fighting all through the night despite the battle being decided in Jah Keved according to the WoR Mr. T interlude. 

    The Heart of the Revel has people partying all the time, wasting food. There is the weirdness with the food Kaladin sees in the palace that had flies swarming it but seemed preserved. Those soldiers that had been locked up with no food for weeks but they thought it was only a day or two. 

    It is like these Unmade grow or CULTIVATE emotion for Odium to harvest. :D

    Doesn’t mean some Unmade don’t have other functions or they were of Cultivation before. Just a pattern I notice.

  11. Way of Kings is my favorite of the three, but WoR is a tighter book in that Shallan's flashbacks are more engaging than Kaladin's and the stories interweave more. 

    Love Oathbringer, it has pacing issues towards the end especially where things were cut for time (Szeth explaining himself to Dalinar after the battle.) It reminds me of the Dark Knight Rises where Bruce escapes from the Pit and the next scene he is back in Gotham. Clearly he is resourceful and could get back, but jumping right to it was jarring. 

    Moash chapters were a drag. In tWoK annotations Brandon described how Kaladin without Syl did not work especially in the early chapters were he is not doing anything. That's pretty much the Moash chapters a depressed guy just trudging along without any more cheerful, active character to play off of. They aren't terrible, but they drag. 

    Dalinar flashbacks are the best of the three. Perhpas, because we are seeing a man in his 50s(?) who has lived a full life verus two teenagers remembering their terrible childhoods. 

  12. On whether the Thunderclast is a Fused or not, I think this WoB essentially confirms that it was a Fused. 

     https://wob.coppermind.net/events/355/#e10440

    The questioner asks whether Nightblood can perma-kill a Fused and brings up Szeth killing the Thunderclast. Brandon confirms it is perma-dead which will upset it's "friends" who are used to not permanently dying. 

    When Venli views the spirits that become the Thunderclasts, she sees badly mangled forms. She compares them to Singers which would indicate she thinks they are Fused that are damaged beyond recognition.  She also comments on how the two Thunderclast spirits were much larger than the other spirits. The other spirits were spren about to enter humans, these larger spirits would be Fused which can't possess another living thing without killing it. Spren also don't get mangled like that from bonding or entering gemhearts and they weren't Unmade. Sort of narrows it down. 

    "Among the waiting spirits were two larger masses or energy -- souls so warped so mangled, they didn't seem singer at all." - OB Ch. 116 

    Heralds

    Maybe a key to the Heralds getting the same body back and not being as damaged by reincarnation as the Fused is due to the Heralds being made cognitive shadows while they still were alive. We don't know that they didn't die first, but we know the Heralds were alive when they went to Honor with Ishar's Oathpact plan. The other CS people die first then get investiture injected into their spirit before they pass beyond, but I don't know if it has to be that way. 

    Fused

    The Fused: This may not help anyone like the name better, but I wonder if this means Infused or Suffused? In Edgedancer, Nale comments on how he doesn't feel anymore and says:

    "Honor has suffused me, changed me. It has been a long time coming." - ED ch. 19

  13. Odium's prison:

    The Stormfather references Honor and Cultivation as an analog for the Oathpact. The Fused are the prisoners of the Oathpact but they never agreed to it. The Oathpact is between the Heralds and Honor. The Fused are released when one of the parties breaks their Oath Honor or one of the Heralds on Braize (9 Heralds on Roshar refusing to return to Braize is a loophole because no one considered that they'd ever not be on Braize when the Oathpact was agreed to). 

    What if Honor and Cultivation made a pact with each other that trapped Odium? Only one party needs to break the pact for it to fall apart. Honor or his remnants can break the pact by themselves because there are only two parties to the contract.  

    I always assumed Odium was trapped by some agreement he made because he was afraid of getting wounded in a 2 on 1 battle after Ambition hurt him, but maybe that's not necessary. 

  14. I think the Dawnsingers made the Dawncities pre-Honor and Cultivation using some sound/singing related magic we haven’t fully seen yet. I think it is an Adonalsium thing. Roshar is so different from any other planet and we know from the Frost letter that Adonalsium did a lot of work there.

    Nothing about Honor & Cultivation makes me think they’d create singing related magic or creatures.

    I think H&C went to Roshar because there was a vibrant humanoid population there. 

  15. I share @WeiryWriters incredulity with the Jezrien “extra dead” designation. Not so much for what was said at the signing, but Ash says “they’ve killed gums somehow” and passes out. Which makes it seem like he’s gone for good.

    He’s trapped in a gem is a little different. I’m fine with not being in the beyond. I would not mind getting more of him in some form later.

    What i had thought was the knife yanked out the special investiture that kept them tethered to this cycle. 

    They are Cognitive Shadows and that could take so many different forms, but in some we know of there is a special bit that is keeping them around.

    A Returned can have 900 million breaths, but if a Shard made a special knife that sucked out their one Divine Breath it’s all over. 

    I thought maybe the knife took out whatever special bit honor gave them that keeps them reincarnating on Braize in the same bodies and the rest of his soul went Beyond. 

    It’s fine that it didn’t. I’m interested to see where it goes. 

    What I think is interesting is that this was the best Odium could come up with. A Shard is plenty powerful enough to destroy a cognitive shadow of it wants normally.  Odium can splinter Honor, but he can’t take out the Heralds. 

    I mean, we kind of knew this because the Heralds would have been obliterated a long time ago if Odium could do it. 

    Why, tho? Maybe the Oathpact is doing it. After all the idea was for the Heralds to hang out with the Fused in Odiums’s backyard forever. Honor would have to be confident Odium couldn’t shred their investiture beyond recognition and disperse it.

    What makes me think it’s not the Oathpact or not just it, is that Honor and Cultivation had no answer for the Fused. From what we know Ishar had the idea for the Oathpact, recruited the others and they went to Honor saying  “we’ll take care of it”

    Seems like there is an agreement between the Shards that keeps them from permanently destroying each other’s all-star team, if you will. 

    Probably part of the larger situation where Honor and Cultivation’s powers are keeping Odium bound to the system “AS ODIUM IS SEALED BY THE POWERS OF HONOR AND CULTIVATION” OB Ch. 38

    long post, but your podcast got me thinking which is why I love it!

  16. On 1/5/2019 at 5:42 PM, xinoehp512 said:

    So wait - does Aluminum remove the powers of the person it is spiked into? Is it permanent, or only as long as the spike lasts?

    This is spicy. Can't wait to see this actually in effect!

    This struck me as why would someone do this? Why not just kill them? Spiking seems complicated and meticulous and only worth it because you're transferring powers. If it doesn't transfer powers what is the point?

    How do we define "spike", would an aluminum bullet that gets lodged in the body count? Or does it have to go in and come out of the body? 

  17. On 1/5/2019 at 10:12 AM, Argent said:

    I don't know if that sphere was voidlight though, I don't think it specifies in text. 

    That's true it doesn't specify what is in the sphere. I just assumed it would be voidlight.

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    "I have no passion. Just numbness."

    "You have given him your pain. He will return it, human, when you need it." -OB Ch. 121

     

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    Vyre, He Who Quiets, sucked in the light of the sphere. It was sweet and beautiful, and -- as he'd been promised --brought Passion with it. OB 122

    These two passages seem to be speaking to each other. If Vyre is sucking in Stormlight then Odium isn't returning Passion to him, it makes more sense if it is Voidlight.

    It just doesn't sound like Stormlight and the Fused wouldn't be carrying Stormlight spheres, they could have gotten some specifically for Vyre, but the only reason I could see them doing that is if Vyre can't use Voidlight, and that would be really inconvenient. 

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