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Shallan's past is so much more complicated than the other major POV characters, even beyond the fact she buried her memories of it to such an extreme. It seems like Brandon decided she would have multiple personas and went "Let's give her multiple of everything!"
Shallan has 4 brothers. Dalinar, Kaladin, Venli all had 1 sibling each.
2 radiant spren of the same order.
The controversial love triangle which is a traditional trope, but she's the only main character to be the center of one in the present day (Navani had one with Gavilar & Dalinar in their youth).
Shallan had fraught relationships with and killed both her parents. We don't even know Dalinar's parents' names. We only meet Venli's mother. Kaladin has 1 parent he doesn't get along with, did not kill.
Shallan's family had not one but TWO secret societies involved with them when she was growing up.
There is implied to be an Unmade influencing her family in some way when she was growing up. Maybe more than one based on how everything else is her life comes in multiples.
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Thank you for this Shardcast. I was ignorant of a lot of the interpretations of the subtext highlighted in this episode, I appreciated it.
I had no real reaction to Jasnah being Ace. Other than "as long as Brandon thinks it fits the character" and "Wait, Wit? Really?!". Their relationship didn't ring true to me. I get her being interested in him in general because he's an ancient entity who has been to many planets and knows a ton of stuff, but as a romantic relationship the idea of anyone romancing Wit felt off even before I got to their chapter.
I always viewed Jasnah's great discomfort with marriage as stemming from *gestures at her parents' marriage*. Jasnah respected her parents, but she had to know they were miserable together. Her mother could have pursued her scholarship more fully earlier in her life if she hadn't become queen through marriage and been burdened with helping run a country that's constantly at war. Jasnah doesn't want to end up like her mother, she wants to pursue her career and she can't do that if she is stuck ruling her spouse's kingdom.
As was said on the podcast my read on those scenes is not meant to be mutually exclusive to anyone else's.
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Shameless plug time! I don't know what his ultimate goal is: make himself human, convert all the fused into mortals again, make new heralds etc. I do think Ishar knows what he is attempting has been done before, but not by him.
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On 5/29/2021 at 1:02 PM, Archer said:
Based on the title, I almost reported this article as a spam bot :P.
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19 hours ago, KandraAllomancer said:
I'm not sure what Brandon's plan for Moash exactly is, but I think he might be set up as a foil for El in book 5:
- El was stripped of the Rhythms, Moash is now blind
- El's title was given to Moash, and both are in the business of killing Cognitive Shadows
- El is fascinated by humans and wants them to achieve their final Passions. Moash, on the other hand, has given up on humanity and doesn't want to feel anything
These are great connections! Never thought about El interacting with Moash despite the name connection.
It's also interesting how at the end of book 2 Moash was off to join the Diagram and work for Taravangian. That got immediately derailed, but he ended up working for Taravangian eventually anyways.
I assume the switch came because Brandon moved Dalinar's book from 5 to 3 making Rayse lose Dalinar earlier than originally outlined and making the Taravangian switch necessary. Moash probably would have been the new Szeth for Taravangian in that alternate version of the story.
8 hours ago, LuckyJim said:I highly doubt that book 5 will only last 10 days, but aside from that, Moash doesn't need to go through a complete redemption in book 5.
I agree with your larger point that Moash can realize he's wrong within book 5 and begin to seek to be better.
I'm not saying the whole book will take place in 10 days, but a majority of it will. The contest of champions begins at noon 10 days after RoW ended. Part of the agreement is that each side gets to keep whatever land they have control over at that point. It's going to be a mad scramble to capture and keep as much as possible.
Since that contest of champions has been mentioned since book 1 and is meant to settle the big Shard conflict of the front 5 I don't think it will happen before Part 4. Brandon likes to surprise, but having the contest in Part 2 would be a bit much.
I think Brandon is referring to that in the WoB below. Things they did in 4 that will make Karen's (his continuity editor) job a lot harder in book 5. She's the one that keeps track of timelines, when different peoples POV chapters take place in relation to each, what moon is out in night scenes, where the highstorm and everstorm are in relation to where and when the scene is taking place.
If most of the book takes place in 10 days (say through part 4) then that's a hundreds of thousands of words describing events that are happening all over Roshar at nearly the same time which makes it harder to keep it all straight.
QuoteBrandon Sanderson
There are certain things that I do in Stormlight Four that I will not give as spoilers, but they're gonna make the writing of Stormlight Five particularly difficult.
Poor Karen. That's all gonna be stuff for Karen and me. It's gonna be headaches for us. Not as much for you [Isaac].
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I have a hard time seeing what Moash will do to redeem himself with most of book 5 set to take place in 10 days.
He could do a Darth Vader redemption where he saves one person's life and dies almost immediately. I don't see a really earned, worked for change happening in 10 days. Granted it will be a very busy 10 days that's described in hundreds of thousands of words.
What is his role going to be now that he is blind or will Odium fix that immediately? What was the point of blinding him then? Are we going to get a "Moash learns to live with his disability and has a change of heart along the way" arc over 10 days?
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The weird thing about Rayse dying is how irrelevant he now seems. As Harmony explained to Hoid in the epigraphs, going around killing all the Vessels and splintering the other Shards is as much or more Odium the Shard's idea as it was Rayse's.
Odium talks to Travangian after Rayse dies, but before he picks it up. When Taravangian picks it up he sees how Rayse had become "enslaved" by Odium the Shard.
Even if Taravangian dies in Book 5 the Shard will still have a mind of it's own unless Cultivation and Honor do something to either splinter it, merge it with another Shard splinter it and merge with the pieces.
Voidbinding
If H or C or both merge with parts of Odium that would probably alter the magic system and set us up to learn more about voidbinding in the back 5. I think what was mentioned on the podcast might be right voidbinding doesn't really exist yet, but it will. We're being tricked and that voidbinding chart is demonstrating something that doesn't exist as of front 5, but will soon.
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18 hours ago, HoidvsVoid said:
Wow, how was I not aware of this? Were these just mentioned as WoBs and such (I am not super familiar with most WoBs), as I don't recall it ever even being hinted at in the books? Though now that I see it, it seems obvious. More so for the Horneaters than the Herdanzians though.
Yeah, you shouldn't feel bad for missing it. They are very lightly implied in text, but you'd have to make some leaps to connect it. Herdazians having extremely hard finger nails, like stone or carapace. The Horneaters have super strong jaws, the anatomy is different from humans, allowing them to chomp on the native carapaced creatures, as if they too were native to Roshar or had picked up some traits from humanoids who were.
Some things make more sense when you realize what the Horneaters are. Rock says they moved to live on the peaks because every hated them for being too good at fighting. Really it was that they were too Singer for the humans and too human for the Singers. Once the Desolations started neither side trusted them and they had to find an unassailable location to retreat to.
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20 hours ago, HoidvsVoid said:
I am sorry if it was mentioned somewhere in the shardcast, but has there ever been a confirmed relationship between a human and singer previously and is it even biologically possible for a singer and a human to birth a child?
They did long ago. Horneaters are Human-Singer hybrids. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Unkalaki#Appearance_and_Anatomy
Herdazians are as well. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Herdaz#People
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Did Cultivation Encourage Enlightenment?
You discussed how critical Glys is to Taravangian's plan working. That means it was also critical to Cultivation's plan working. You mentioned the WoB saying the Truthwatcher spren were the most willing. Were they willing because Cultivation told these two spren to allow Sja-Anat to change them? Or at least the first one that bonded Renarin?
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1 hour ago, Jorr said:
Okay but I don't remember spren being involved. Just the songs and the stones. Question is, these sound like the Surges, as clearly axial connection is manipulated, but is it SurgeBINDING...?
Spren would be involved by inhabiting the Singer gemhearts. But, to your point, they aren't doing it through the Nahel bond We don't even know when Honor became aware of the Nahel bond, because he too was surprised by the Knights Radiant. "I was surprised when these orders arrived. I did not teach my Heralds this." RoW Ch. 4
They are manipulating surges, but are they doing the binding part? Not if that means doing it through a Nahel bond.
There are other questions.
"Honor bound the surges" Does the "binding" in surgebinding refer to what Honor did to the Surges or to the Nahel bond? Does any magical manipulation of the surges on Roshar post-"Honor bound the surges" count as surgebinding?
Are the Heralds Surgebinding? Yes. The Heralds relationship with Honor / Honorblades was mimicked by Spren resulting in surgebinders and the radiants. The Heralds aren't doing it through a spren, nor are they using their own Cognitive Shadow investiture to do it like The Fused. They can't do it without the Honorblades.
Which era of Singers created these cities? Non-radiant spren and Singers pre-date the Shattering. There is a time pre-Shattering and presumably a little bit post-Shattering where the Singers could have been manipulating surges before Honor showed up and forbid it.
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22 hours ago, HoidvsVoid said:
This can really cause a reassessment of the surgebinding magic system. Instead of 10 or 9 plus 1, it's 8 plus 2 (2 meaning Honor and Cultivation), which is more in line with the basic allomancy system. Then imagine if voidbinding is really 8 plus 1 (1 meaning odium) and it will turn out that the Rosharan magic system in closely aligned to the rest of the cosmere. This most likely won't be actualized in the canon and currently has some holes in the theory, but it seems like something Brandon might pull and it seems like it may have some truth in it.
The only thing is 10 seems to have been made the important number for Roshar by Adonalsium since he made the system and the 10 gas giants.
Why would the Fused get 9, including progression if it’s Cultivation’s truest surge?
The Honorblades were made by Honor alone from Honor’s “soul” yet they grant all 10 surges.
Some of the other 8 surges align with other Shards not in residence in the system yet the surge is still usable. Division causes things to burn, crumble to dust or decay. This seems like Ruin’s truest Surge, but it can be accessed through H&C&O.
https://coppermind.net/wiki/Honorblade
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Here’s a dumb thought about voidbinding. Brandon said it had been explored some in the past but not fully. Could that be a thing Ishar was doing on Ashyn.
Odium is the one who tempted Ishar into experimenting with the surges. He didn’t have a spren or an honorblade. I know there is disease based magic in the not quite canon ashyn story, but there is room for voidbinding.
SOMEONE had to be doing it per that WoB. If it’s not the Fused, the Unmade, the Singers, the Radiants, the Heralds after they became Heralds, who is left, the Sleepless?
Seems like no one was doing it ... on Roshar.
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Great show! A few thoughts:
Cognitive Shadow Insanity
What Vasher was talking about with intent changing them over time is different from what's up with the Heralds. Vasher is of Endowment, gift giving etc. and since coming to Roshar he gave up Nightblood by "mistake" (probably he went to the Valley to swap Light for Breath and they made him leave the sword as the Bane) and then became an Ardent. They are effectively slaves who legally own no property. So he gave away everything he owned. As Ardent he is a teacher of sword He is much more giving now than he probably was at the start.
Vasher warns Kaladin not to trust the Fused because they are of Odium and the intent influences them more and more over time. We see that isn't all consuming, because Leshwi was able to preserve some of her integrity and sense of right and wrong. She doesn't let revenge or hatred rule her.
Herald Madness
The Heralds madness is
1) They are cognitive shadows who endured thousands of years of constant war and torture. They are all afraid of ever having to endure it again and have been living with that fear for 4,500 years.
2) They are of Honor and they broke their big Oath.
3) 4,500 years of living with the guilt of having abandoned their friend to torture and lying to the world about it.
I think a big part of it is they hate themselves now and these thoughts directly influenced them in a more profound way than they would a human due to their Cognitive Shadow nature. They've inverted from what they once were.
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On 1/23/2021 at 5:01 PM, basement_boi said:
The part about Ghostbloods and Survivorism is really interesting, never thought about those connections before.
Yeah, I was on the "Shades are ghosts and they go crazy when they see blood" train of thought. I thought the Ghostbloods had a lot of Ambition because their home planet was cascaded with that shards investiture.
Even after I found out Kelsier was running it I just thought "well he is a huge jerk so of course his organization is full of jerks."
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This was great!
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21 hours ago, teknopathetic said:
I kind of think it was Odium and Cultivation. Likely Honour and Odium were wounded vessels, and Cultivation decided to sow a new crop so the new vessels could better protect Roshar. Jury is out if Cultivation herself will be replaced, but Lift sure is a neat candidate for it
Cultivation is such a wildcard. She clearly has big plans for Lift since she intervened directly.
The only way Brandon wouldn't give more about the "We killed you" is if the answer is already in the text. There are clearly two minds at work with Rayse/Odium so it just makes sense to me that is what he was saying. He refers to himself as we on and off, he does it when talking to Taravangian at the end of Oathbringer. He repeats himself a lot in his speech pattern. It fits in with two minds talking.
Brandon could be fibbing in any WoB, but he did say that Cultivation was helping Honor before he died.
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If Cultivation and Honor were romantically involved, why did Cultivation not help Honor against Odium?
Brandon Sanderson
She did.
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These podcasts were a lot fun, thank you!
@Chaos you have said you don’t like the one chapter then stop “rhythm” of the preview chapters Tor does. Isn’t that kind of how the Beta reads are? You have to fill out forms on one chapter before they give the next chapter.
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I think the “We” is Rayse the Vessel + Odium the power.
The power Odium was not being controlled well and developed a mind of its own. It’s trying to escape Rayse all book and then when he’s dead it speaks to Taravangian.
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6 hours ago, Spren of Kindness said:
I have nothing important to say, but the instant Argent said he was forbidden show and tell, it made me crack up for some reason.
Argent has a deep voicethat could work as the Sormfather's. Cracking up imagining Dalinar asking Stormfather for show and tell.
QuoteDalinar heard a distant rumble. SHOW AND TELL WAS FORBIDDEN!
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Did Honor and the Heralds make the Barrier Storm? Is that how they bound the Fused to Braize?
Storms and Oaths are Honor’s thing so when the Heralds made the Oathpact with Honor it would fit his personality to be like “We’re gonna fix this with Oaths and a giant storm!”
Its like fly paper for the Fused they can’t get past it.
Then Odium hijacked the storm (which is why it is red) and had his servants break off a piece. The Fused still return to the barrier storm when they die but they go to the closest piece of it on Roshar and unlike Braize there are Singers living in Roshar that they can hijack.
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My take is the Sibling chose to kick the Radiants out before the strike and shut off the heat to enforce it. The Sibling is like a party host signaling everyone should go home by unplugging the stereo and flicking the lights on and off rapidly.
The thing that makes the timeline so confusing is that the Sibling says they "banished" humans from the tower in RoW Ch. 40, but the Radiants mention in the gem archive that the heat doesn't work and they don't understand why. Did the Sibling kick them out and in conjunction with that shut off the heat to enforce it, but not tell the Radiants that the Sibling still had the ability to power the Tower if they wanted to? Remember the Sibling loves to pretend. They were pretending to be dead for thousands of years. They were quite upset that Navani figured out they were still alive.
They even convinced an Unmade they were dead. A dumb one, but still.
Quote"You were supposed to think I was dead. Everyone was supposed to think I was dead"
"That Unmade infected me for so many years, the one your Radiants frightened away? I remained hidden from her all that time, never fighting back, and so she thinks I died." (RoW Ch. 40)
They like to pretend so people leave them alone, but then they took damage that caused them to lose the abilities they were pretending they didn't have up until that point? I think this is what happened, but it muddles everything.
On the "worthiness" quote. I used to think as David does that their worthiness isn't why the Sibling is withdrawing. But the Sibling tells Navani she is not "worthy" in RoW at a crucial moment. Both their lives are on the line Moash is about to finish off Navani and Raboniel is close to Unmaking the Sibling and the Sibling still says she's not worthy at first. It really seems like the Sibling told these Radiants to get out because they are not worthy.
The gem archive seems to have been made specifically to leave something behind because they were leaving Urithiru. That's the impression I get from them as a whole. Different orders used them differently, some to say they love their family, some as therapy, some as scholarly notes. They were making a time capsule to leave behind. None of them seem like they were made before the Urithiru exodus was decided on, none mention anything that would indicate the strike had happened yet.
From all this I can only conclude the Sibling kicked them out and began shutting down the heat and other important functions to make sure they left. Then the Radiants did the strike which hurt the Sibling.
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2 hours ago, Chaos said:
Easy to forget some WoBs sometimes, but also, they aren't everything. The first WoB, we already knew and is obvious from the books. The accuracy of the vision one is a good one. The RAFOs don't really matter
So one important one missed for sure.
I find that enslavement of parshmen one to by highly suspicious.
I would think if Ba-Ado-Mishram directly Connected with the singers to grant forms of power, wouldn't those singers (those Regals) be the primary singers to instantly go into slaveform? You're definitely making a big assumption that the Regals would remain in tact after her binding. I would assume if there were pockets of Regals that still existed after her binding that some would survive somewhere on Roshar.
Regals surviving in tact does not match Ulim's account in chapter 73, where he says she Connected with the entire species, and "everyone’s souls got seriously messed up." Of course, the listeners are an exception, but I absolutely do not think the Regals at the time would be.
Yeah, that WoB doesn't line up with what we know from the books and it doesn't line up with other WoBs. Sometimes Brandon says things that aren't correct. Unless Oathbringer is an Honorblade becaue he said it on a stream one time it must be true.
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I feel Taravangian is done after book 5. That doesn't make him a 1 book villain though, he's a 5 book villain. He's been murdering people since before WoK.
He's actively been an antagonist to Dalinar specifically throughout all the books. He orders Szeth to kill Dalinar at the end of WoK. He send Szeth to kill Dalinar a second time in WoR. He backstabs Dalinar in OB. He has his army turn on Dalinar in book 4.
I really feel Taravangian should be gone after the next book while Szeth and Dalinar are still main characters since those are the two people Taravangian has a real relationship with.
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It could be related to how most people can't see Radiant spren unless the spren chooses to reveal themselves. Most people can't see Syl unless she allows them to, but her radiant Kaladin always sees her (and Rock but that's different).