Child of Hodor

Can things that aren't thought about enough to have a bead in Shadesmar be soulcast? Like if 1 person theorizes that Dark Matter exists and let's say it does actually exist in the Cosmere, is that enough for them to try and soulcast it?

Yep, and Warbreaker spoiler: Threnody spoilers:

I don’t think a radiant could heal the parshmen. The person being healed has to remember what they lost on some level. They have to still think of themselves as being whole. These Parshmen were never whole. A Shard could fix them we’ve seen they can create life and move planets around. I don’t think Odium used Progression. I think Edgedancers have to become physically graceful because they are moving without friction. Any misstep and they flop all over, as Lyft does. That’s why she goes to her knees and paddles with her arms. Contrast her to the Fused she was chasing in Thaylen Field. The Fused was skating along very efficiently.

Jasnah because I love her and we're getting married! Sazed because he is easy to get along with and drops all kinds of knowledge (even before he became a god).

"Do you think I will ever meet with you when you are feeling well?" ... "Do you really think you will ever be able to negotiate with me from a position of power?" - Odium OB "Why is there so much war? Must we always fight" ... "ODIUM REIGNS" Kaladin & Stomfather tWoK "A dozen candles burned themselves to death on the shelf before me. Each of my breaths made them tremble. To them, I was a behemoth, to frighten and destroy. And yet, if I strayed too close, they could destroy me. My invisible breath, the pulses of life that flowed in and out, could end them freely, while my fingers could not do the same without being repaid with pain. ... Those candle flames were like the lives of men. So fragile. So deadly. Left alone, they lit and warmed. Let run rampant, they would destroy the very things they were meant to illuminate." - Nohadon The Way of Kings

Agreed. They will have been at war for over a year when the novel picks up and the war won't be over by the end because there is another book in the front 5. Has a "daily life in wartime" feel to it.

The Lord Ruler moved the Well when he ascended for only a brief time so I assume full-time gods can move their pools after the pools have formed. They may make a mountain to raise them up to a place where people are unlikely to stumble upon them. On Nalthis isn't Edgli's pool underneath the earth and the investiture seeps out creating the special flowers Edgli's Tears? Ruin's pool was also underground. Bury it or raise a mountain under it ... or have it move like Honor's. They all seem to make their perpendicularities hard to find.

With being Queen I wouldn't think Jasnah would get to go on a road trips to ancient ruins anymore. At least not for this book. Ash and Taln? Now that she's been reunited with Taln after 4,500 years she may not want to be apart from him. He'll probably barely speak or do anything, but he's an important character and I think they'll be together.

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I think it gets mulched up and added to Nightblood's store of investiture, which leaks out as black smoke when drawn. I know there was a WoB in like November saying Nightblood is more invested than he was when he was created, meaning he's collected more through killing. If the black smoke is like his exhaust or waste then it probably eventually returns to the spiritual realm to be recycled. But, in the near term it is unavailable, but there is so much Investiture in the Cosmere it's a drop in an ocean. The loss of a willing, kinda immortal servant with thousands of years of combat experience is the bigger loss I think. Can't find the WoB I'm thinking of but this gets at it. He "feeds" on the investiture. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/21/#e4555 Investiture can't be truly destroyed. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/171/#e8210 There is an older WoB where the existential question of "what happens to a soul if the person is killed by Nightblood". Brandon said in world some people think the soul still pass on to the Beyond, others think it is chewed up with the rest of the investiture and doesn't go Beyond. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/127/#e5074

Trapping them would only be temporary (even if it's thousands of years) and seems cruel to do. They've been through enough.. Better to destroy them with Nightblood although that's a boring answer and would be tedious to do. In Oathbringer Odium mentioned he can withdraw what he gave them to make them cognitive shadows. "You will follow me, Turash, or I will reclaim that which gives you persistent life." - OB Ch. 118 One of the Fused mentioned an agreement they made with Odium. I can't find it right now, it's not spelled out in detail but essentially these ancient singers were killed by humans who took their land and before their souls passed on to The Beyond Odium swooped in and made them an offer: join with me and I'll help you kill the humans and reclaim your land. Maybe the not crazy Fused will decide they no longer want to wipe out all humans and willingly give up what keeps them around. Not sure if they can even do that, but I like the idea of the Fused seeing that Singers and Humans can live together.

Scouring of Aimia, The Shattering, Dragons, What are the other Shards, How did Odium get trapped and what exactly does he need to do to free himself? Killing Honor didn't do it, but a holder of Honor's remnants could just let him go, would killing Cultivation free him, the Shards powerr would still exist and there would be no vessel of either Shard to free him. Does he need to destroy all life on Roshar to free up his investiture? Literally do what was shown to Dalinar in the vision where the surface is wiped out.

Was Urithiru built low to the ground and moved to the mountains later? Is that why Nohadan could walk there? The epigraph seems to use placed and built interchangeably, so maybe it doesn't mean anything and it was built on the mountain originally. It seems like it would be easier to build it lower down where there is more air pressure and it is warmer and then move it via magic. Easier in the sense that you would be easier to feed and keep alive the workers. Even if it was soulcast it is still a lot of work to get the material shaped correctly to form all those hallways and ventilation shafts. That last excerpt is a little odd. Why would they have a city gate at Urithiru besides the oathgates if it is in the mountains? Why would there be guards to an ordinary city gate if it is virtually unreachable except through magic? Is it a gate to the caverns underneath that were mentioned once?

Moash explicitly saved Kaladin’s life in tWoK when Dunny gets killed with arrows and is lying on a bridge Kaladin is going after the body. Moash tackles him to the side right before a cavalry charged across the bridge trampling Dunny into paste. Ch. 53 Dunny “There’s nothing you could have done. I’m sorry.” When Kaladin summons Syl the Stormfather accepts his words AND there is a huge gust of wind that blows down the hallway through the hole Szeth made earlier. Black Piper In my head I associate this with the Black Fisher. Both luring something out as a trick or trap. Pied Piper lured rats out with music. Sirens lure sailors to their deaths at sea with music. Fishers get fish onto hooks with lures. @Chaos connection is great, the Rhythms. There is a lot we don’t know, they are a “natural” Cosmere phenomenon, but Odium clearly offers corrupted versions to the Singers. Or maybe he tunes their frequency so they can hear the more hateful versions. Taking Sorrow Definitely in line with taking “pain” including unpleasant emotions like guilt. I think Odium really takes them or they end up in his inferno anyways. Most of the Unmade we’ve seen don’t take emotion, they Riot it to borrow MB term. They intensify it and extend the duration. The Thrill has people fighting all through the night despite the battle being decided in Jah Keved according to the WoR Mr. T interlude. The Heart of the Revel has people partying all the time, wasting food. There is the weirdness with the food Kaladin sees in the palace that had flies swarming it but seemed preserved. Those soldiers that had been locked up with no food for weeks but they thought it was only a day or two. It is like these Unmade grow or CULTIVATE emotion for Odium to harvest. Doesn’t mean some Unmade don’t have other functions or they were of Cultivation before. Just a pattern I notice.

To become a vessel a thing has to have sentience first. Shards lack an intelligence on their own, but their investiture develops it's own intelligence over time if it doesn't have a vessel. Like the Seons and Spren. The fact that there are splintered shards on Sel and parts of Sel coming alive are almost certainly connected. If the Living Land (TM) is more like Seons and Spren (investiture that gained intelligence) then the Living Land (TM) can't become a vessel according to this WoB. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/6/#e310 I don't know whether the Living Land (TM) should be classified this way or not.

The throne is as strong or weak as the monarch that sits on it. It wasn't a token position when Gavilar was king, it kind of was when Elhokar was propped up by Dalinar and Sadeas. I suppose we could say the power structure was more of an informal triumvirate with the Monarch as nominal ruler, but Gavilar was still one of the three and the most important of the three. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumvirate The highprinces seem like governors or lords who swear fealty to the monarch. This fealty matters as long as it is enforced, if one highprince steps out of line the others turn on them. If 9 revolt against the monarch then they have a real problem, but that's the same in any government. The ruler is in charge as long as other powerful people don't turn on them in force. That's right, there wasn't for hundreds of years, since the time of the Sunmaker who wielded Oathbringer. Then the Sunmaker died and his 10 children tore the kingdom apart. https://coppermind.net/wiki/Sadees

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Collected Chach 1173, 11 seconds pre-death. Subject was a fugitive Shin warrior. (Bladerunner, Roy Baty an escaped replicant slave) But, they……These worthless ones, took the Planet from you. Didn't they, Mother? Collected Vevishes 1174, 20 seconds pre-death. Subject was an Iriali warrior of some renown. (Sephiroth in Final Fantasy 7) Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets. Collected Jesachev 1173, 42 seconds pre-death. Subject was an Alethi Chull Driver. (Travis Bickle, Taxi Driver) The box. You opened it. We came. Now you must come with us, taste our pleasures. Collected Jesachev 1174. 30 seconds pre-death. Subject was a Veden man of unknown origins. (Pinhead in Hellraiser)

Not yet, but I'm assuming the Everstorm will be dealt with by the end of book 5. That seems to be the most urgent threat and I can't see a front 5 resolution that doesn't involve getting rid of it or neutralizing it. Any Oathpact speculation relies on the Everstorm going away. Back 5 may be about something totally different. I'd be a little surprised if they kill Rayse in the Front 5, but he is all over book 3 and will be around for two more ~1,000 page books at least. I don't know if he can be the main threat for 7,000 more pages. Maybe a new Odium vessel, maybe O+C as a strange new threat. H+O = Justice would be a good way to mitigate Odium, so I don't think we get that front 5 but maybe. Dalinar as an honorable, but wrathful new Shard would be interesting. His arc seems headed this way. https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/83869-dalinars-future/?do=findComment&comment=823468 If any of those things happen I don't think that the Oathpact will matter as much. Killing and splintering all the Shards to be the most powerful thing in the Cosmere is more of a Rayse thing than Odium. A new Odium may take a different approach, which could still be a threat, but a different one than a cycle of invasions.

Ingenuity(creativity, invention) , Desire/Envy/Jealousy, Mercy/Grace, Wisdom(hide + survive), Enlightenment (learning & teaching, Silverlight) , Fortitude (endurance),

Tanavast's cognitive shadow that the Stormfather absorbed speaking to Dalinar. It will have many meanings, uniting the different species of Roshar, uniting the remnants of Honor, maybe uniting the 3 shards or just Honor and Odium into Justice. Then Dalinar will take it too far and unite everything in the Cosmere into a monstrous singularity that consumes all the resources needed to sustain life. https://psmag.com/social-justice/nick-bostrom-superintelligence-singularity-technology-future-books-90067

There may be a way to use it without the torture. Like sending the Jezrien knife to Braize. A Herald is there in spirit (literally ). I don't think it will be renewed in the normal sense, because it totally failed at what it was intended to do and it's too cruel to subject someone to. But it still exists and there may be a way to utilize that magic.

Way of Kings is my favorite of the three, but WoR is a tighter book in that Shallan's flashbacks are more engaging than Kaladin's and the stories interweave more. Love Oathbringer, it has pacing issues towards the end especially where things were cut for time (Szeth explaining himself to Dalinar after the battle.) It reminds me of the Dark Knight Rises where Bruce escapes from the Pit and the next scene he is back in Gotham. Clearly he is resourceful and could get back, but jumping right to it was jarring. Moash chapters were a drag. In tWoK annotations Brandon described how Kaladin without Syl did not work especially in the early chapters were he is not doing anything. That's pretty much the Moash chapters a depressed guy just trudging along without any more cheerful, active character to play off of. They aren't terrible, but they drag. Dalinar flashbacks are the best of the three. Perhpas, because we are seeing a man in his 50s(?) who has lived a full life verus two teenagers remembering their terrible childhoods.

Sounds like Autonomy intentionally blocks or hides it. I was playing with the idea that the perpendicularity was dissipating because too much of Autonomy/Autonomy's attention had left Taldain and it wasn't as "in residence" for a while. I can't tie it to events in any other series where Autonomy may be showing up. MB Spoilers:

Ingenuity or a synonym is probably a shard based on the above. I see it as part of the lifecycle shards. Creation/Growth/Stasis/Decline. Ingenuity/Cultivation/Preservation/Ruin. synonyms: inventiveness, creativity, imagination, originality, innovation, resourcefulness, enterprise, insight, inspiration, The Hide/Survive shard may be Wisdom or a synonym. Synonyms hidden for length: Maybe Envy or Desire? Wanting what others have. Odium kinda covers an aspect of this since he is "The Void" that sucks in the emotions of others, the voidlight that seems to draw in light instead of give it off. But he doesn't cover all of it, so there is room for desire/jealousy/envy. Synonyms: The quadrant is a useful way of thinking about the 16 since Brandon created the chart of 16 metals first, but I don't know that it will map on categorically. He has said he based the Shards on aspects of a god's personality which might not have a physical component. And not all the Shards have opposites so it might not be a Push/Pull dichotomy. WoBs: I do have my own quadrants, but I grouped them more by what I feel their theme is instead of how they fit into the metal chart. Working with Others Dominion Control, Mastery, Command, Authority, Leadership, Impose Order Autonomy Self-directing, Freedom, Self-government Honor To fullfill an agreement, Keen sense of ethical conduct, bond things together which UNITES THEM! Endowment Give, bequeath or provide an asset, quality or ability. Invest, Equip, Bless, Gifting Lifecycle/ Temporal Preservation Maintain, Keep as is, prevent change or decay, Middle of Lifecycle Cultivation Grow, Develop, Improve, Enourage, Middle of Lifecycle Ruin Entropy, Decay, Rot, Destroy, Death, Ending of Lifecycle Ingenuity Inventiveness, Creation, Starting something new Feelings Towards Others Devotion Love, Loyalty, Dedication to a person or cause, Religious Worship Odium Hatred, or disgust directed toward someone as a result of their actions, revulsion Envy/Desire Jealous of what others have, close to an opposite of endowment. Covet. Hunger. Grace Mercy, Forgiveness Intangible Qualities of the Self Ambition Desire to achieve, aspiration, hope, purpose, drive Wisdom Hide + Survive Shard, experienced, practical, self-discipline Enlightment Learning, Teaching, Acquiring and spreading knowledge. Silverlight? Fortitude Courage, Ability to Endure Endowment and Envy/Desire seem opposed, but one is a feeling and one is an action so I put them in different places. God's Grace is a common religious theme, I think it would fit in as part of the feelings section. Someone's actions spark Odium, but that may naturally lead to forgiveness of that person after a while. Wisdom for the hide and survive shard. I try to distinguish this from enlightenment in that Wisdom is more using past experience to make decisions, while Enlightenment is more academic oriented. Silverlight and Khriss come to mind. Street smarts versus book smarts. Still missing one I think Wisdom can encompass Humility, remembering one's past failings and not getting too full of oneself. Pride could work. I chose fortitude because it is another quality of the self and I saw it on this list of the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit and don't think it is really covered by another Shard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_gifts_of_the_Holy_Spirit