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1.There is no God Beyond. What dose that even mean. The phrase appears no where in the cosmere. You are literally make things up to support your argument 2. If your "God Beyond " (which doesn't exist in books outside of your head) is using connection then he is using investiture. So that mean investiture can reach into the beyond. 3. Reread what I said about creation, You seem to have completely missed my point. 4. Gravity doesn't want anything it's an effect. Please reread your high school science textbook. 5. Gravity is by definition natural. Calling something supernatural gravity. Is I calling something living dead. That is to say a self contradictory illogical statement. 6. I have already pointed out all the things that are different Between shards and gravity. I won't go over this again reread my post. You are purposely ignoring my arguments. 7. They do make choices and take actions on their own reread rhythm of war. 8. My point is to point out the absurdity of your argument . Shards are normal gravity than you are gravity. Any similarity you can find between them and gravity you could make the same between you and gravity. So you might as well just declare yourself to be nothing more than gravity.

What about it exactly do you not understand. Atheist do not believe that the sun is alive, How is that hard to understand? Not quite, typically Civilizations believed that their leaders were manifestations of their gods in the flesh. For example the ancient Egyptians believed Pharaoh to be a manifestation of Horace in the flesh. Simerly We christians believe that Jesus is the manifestation of Yhwh In the Flesh Atheist, Do not believe in the existence of Yhwh or Horace. So they do not believe that the pharaoh or Jesus were Manifestations of anything. While they may acknowledge that Jesus and the pharaohs existed. That's not the same thing as believing that Yhwh or Horace exist. This is not really an option On scabrel. Maybe for kelsier but not for harmony.

1. It literally says connection did it. What do you mean to say connection can't do it. 2. No gravity did not create the world creation implies direction, action, Choice, Gravity is an effect it doesn't have these things. 3. You are purposely using language incorrectly in order to confuse drawing attention away from the weakness of your argument. No gravity doesn't want to pull things down gravity doesn't want anything. It's an EFFECET. Shards do want things, (RoW) They take actions on their own (RoW). They make choices on their own (RoW) They are at the very least incomplete pieces of a person. Gravity is not a piece of anything. If you compare a shard to gravity then you must compare yourself to gravity.

They worshiped sun because they thought the sun was alive. Atheist diss believe that sun is alive. If the Athiest really believed that the sun was alive and named Apollo then they wouldn't be atheist even if he didn't consider Apollo a god.

It specially yes connection was involved. Connection is a application of investiture. Gravity didn't create the world, and doesn't have will, or a mind.

Also remember there is less ferring then Alomamcers in general and there harder to find and the set seems pretty focused on Gold ferrings and we rarely see them use other ferrings even fake wax doesn't have any ferring powers

He has Holyness which functions like an intent in that it limits his omniscience.

Paul disagree with you So it is (impossible ) for God to lie for we know that his promise and his vow will never change! And now we have run into his heart to hide ourselves in his faithfulness.

Limits of Yhwh 1. He cannot lie. 2. He cannot give The nation of Israel to Abraham until the sin of the canaanites is complete. 3. He cannot comment sin. So either A. your definition is right Or B. Yhwh is Omnipotent One of these can be true but not both Your definition may fit a General Theist God but not the Abrahamic God. He is limited by his nature same as shards are limited by there nature.

1. Given in to him or not it changes nothing, he used investigature To connect to the beyond. Whether he initiated that connection or not means nothing. 2. Even if it's not confirmed in the world it's at the very least a possibility so it shouldn't be dismissed.

1.When dalinar reaches in to the beyond to connect Kalidin to his brother. 2. But it at least opens the doors to the possibility. It not like you can produce any evidence to the contrary.

It's not wrong Row proves that investigature can access the Beyond. And it proves that it can manipulate time.

So YHWH isn't omnipotent then? He has limits. Aslo wrong read Rythm of war.

But you stil wouldnt be an atheist, your refusal to worship them doesn't come from disbelief in there exist but it what your knowledge and expectations of God are.

Wrong, Omipotent dose not mean with out limits or else Yhwh would not be Omnipotent Omnipotent simply means "nothing is to hard for you. " It doesn't mean you can do everything, only that you have the power strength to do anything. So as long as the limitation is not "I don't have enough power " then it doesn't violate Omipotence.

OK are you afferring to shards or the vessels? I agree that the vessels are not All knowing. If you have a Gun but cant use it unless told still means you have a gun. You still have omnipotence even of you can only use that power when told.

I don't see how those things are connected in any way.

They can't of course, your are right, Brandon is perfect that why they are limited, the omniscience power of God limited to the mind of a mere super human.

1.odium (shard not vessel) is said to specially like questions. And enjoys it when others ask questions. 2. Animals have minds, simple minds but still minds.

No he most certainly does not show me the quote.

This is not true. There's nothing in the book to suggest it.

Ok how can see that perspective, and it is confusing because well are told they don't have a mind, yet they have will likes and desires so they must have something like a mind even if it is incomplete.

Ok so how do you define omnipotent then.

I see your point but to be fair Brandon Sanderson has contradicted himself multiple times on the omniscience of the shard. As I have already produced several wobs Where he seems to contradict himself from this point within the same wob. Some clarifications about my position that I think you're misunderstanding me. 1. I'm talking about the shards not the vessels. The vessels are human the shards they are bonded to or not. Shards are omnipresent, Vessels are not. 2. I never claim that the shards were Somehow equivalent to the God of Abraham, Only that they shared a similar trait the trade of being All-powerful I Personally I suspect that the closest will get toA Abraham at God will be audolosium.

Brandon has said multiple times even in one of your quotes that shards power is infinite. I don't know why you continue to insist otherwise. All those things they can't do, I believe are connected to either their limitations of their intent Or of the vessel Not of investiture itself. And I think I have good reason to believe this. Consider a seeing to beyond We know that investor can reach the beyond see RoW. So this weakness must be a trait of the humanity of the vessel not the divinity of The Shard.