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Good point, I forgot about the immortality. I'd say for the hypothetical, issues of aon shape and access to the Dor would all be sorted thanks to 'magic' or something like that.
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I agree, that certainly would be fun. But if we are going for most fun, imagine how fun soaring through the skies as a windrunner would be.
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Of all the forms of investiture seen in Brandon's works, they are all brilliant and honestly would all be super cool to have in real life. But which one of them would you most enjoy having? I personally think I'd go with being an elantrian. Elantrian magic being runic provides a lot of versatility and freedom of application. The magic is also insanely powerful and the silvery skin and platinum hair is a pretty cool bonus. So, let me know, what would everyone choose as the form of investiture they'd most want?
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Surgebinder Savantism
The Grumpy Elantrian replied to The Grumpy Elantrian's topic in Stormlight Archive
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So this thought was kindled by an off handed comment on the shardcast, and so I ask here after some thinking. Can a radiant become a savant in a particular surge? Or perhaps even to stormlight in general? we understand from Mistborn that savantism is the almost rewriting/overwriting of your sDNA to be 'this particular way now' as being more attuned to a particular power, so would a radiant who is using their powers a lot become a savant? Does stormlight's healing abilities simply restore you to your sDNA perceptions before you can become a savant? I welcome your input.
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Apologies for the weird title, but I am unsure how to word what I want to say more succinctly. Essentially, is there any bias as to which type of misting (if you have allomantic lines) or ferring (if you have feruchemical lines) you become, or is it simply chance? Do individuals have stronger connections to certain metals or perhaps the powers they provide? To elaborate, would someone who would have naturally grown up to be charismatic have a stronger conmection to zinc or brass allomancy? Or do they simply become charismatic because of their powers? (Chicken/egg scenario here) I could see how an existing bias may be the case as there doesn't seem to be equal amounts of each type of misting/ferring. There are for example, fewer duralumin ferrings and gold mistings than there are other kinds. Presumably, an equal chance would result in equal amounts of each variant over a great enough sample size, so the entire world's population should see relatively even divisions. Anyway, hopefully some of you can provide clarification.
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I've thought about this some more and although being a steel compounder would be almost unbeatable in a fight, I'd prefer a F-Zinc/A-Pewter twinborn. I would appreciate the extra mental speed in everyday life as well as tricky situations. And pewter allomancy is super helpful: feeling cold? Low burn of pewter should do the trick. That box too heavy? Little burn of pewter should help. These thugs cornered you in an ally at night? Pewter will definitely help. So yeah, zinc/pewter twinborn for me
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So what are the effects of savantism for all the metals? AFAIK we know about Tin (as seen by Spook) and we know that pewter can be very dangerous but we don't really know the effects. There's a WoB that states bronze savants can pierce copper clouds, so presumably copper savants can create more powerful copper clouds. So what do we think the effects of savantism in the other metals would be?
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Interesting. And in a way, if it only changes the multiplier from 5 to 6 say, then it is still a significant difference.
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As we know, if a person has the ability to use the same metal both allomantically and feruchemically, then they can compound that metal (i.e. burn feruchemical storages to multiply the ability stored in the metalmind). So then my question is, would a more powerful allomancer gain more out of compounding than a weaker one? So, would a natural twinborn compound their feruchemical storages by a lesser multiplier than a feruchemist who had burned lerasium for example. In short, does allomantic strength affect compounding efficiency? I welcome your input.
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As far as I'm aware, we don't know what the main effect of lerasium is. It'd likely have to be burned by a mistborn, resulting in the mistborn becoming stronger whilst also producing whatever that other effect may be. I think Brandon may have hinted in a WoB that he didn't want to say too much so as to not spoil future books. So perhaps, we will find out.
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Well that's because Vin is already a very powerful mistborn. So by having the lerasium it is essentially taking whatever power Elend got by burning it and adding it to her existing power, so of course she is more powerful.
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Well then since it's kinda related, how powerful do we think Elend was? We know that he was more powerful than an inquisitor, enough to send the inquisitor flying in a pushing match. But we don't really have anything to quantify how powerful he was. Is there a WoB on it?
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Thanks for that
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I agree that that seems the most reasonable solution.
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So we know that Elend is a ridiculously powerful mistborn, as he swallowed the lerasium bead, and thus can control vast armies of koloss or push/pull with allomancy more powerfully than an inquisitor. So then why is it never discussed that he can pierce copper clouds? Seeing Elends power, particularly in his fights with inquisitors, I had always perceived lerasium strength mistborn as at least three times the strength of an average mistborn at the time of the final empire. So surely he too would be able to pierce copper clouds? Was he able to and it just never came up? Or am I overestimating the strength of a lerasium mistborn? I welcome your input.
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So we know that when a regular person burns lerasium their connection with Preservation is increased drastically and they become a mistborn. However is this the same effect we'd expect to see if an allomancer were to burn lerasium? Presumabely a misting would become a powerful mistborn, or would they instead just become a very powerful misting? This seems unlikely as we know that the difference between becoming a misting or a mistborn is in the strength of your bloodline and thus your connection to preservation. So presumably when their connection to preservation increases they too would become a mistborn. However, what about a mistborn? Would they become a stronger mistborn? Stronger than a regular lerasium mistborn since they already have the basis for their power? Or would they, since they can already burn all metals, be able to experience another effect whih is the true power of lerasium and the connection to preservation is simply a side effect? I welcome your thoughts on the matter.
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What would happen to a mistborn if they were a savant in all the metals? We know that savantism can become dangerous, but would being a savant in all metals weirdly balance eachother out? In a similar way to how Spook's pewter negated his tin savantism? Or would the effects on ones spiritual DNA be too much and the mistborn suffers woth big issues both physicslly and spiritually? Are there any WoBs on this? Do we know more? I appreciate any further input.
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Well apparently there's a WoB that addressed that and says that with correct knowledge and skill you can perform hemalurgy without killing the person. In the same way that you can perform surgery without killing the person if you know what you're doing. So presumably this would solve that issue.
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Yeah, that seems logical. So then would we assume that if an inquisitor say were to have stored up a whole load of health and then have all their spikes pulled out in one go whilst massively tapping and compounding health, that'd be too much damage to repair without any consequences?
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But we don't really see any negative effects after Kaladin get's his arm cut off by the shard blade. Is this because it is not as impacting on ones soul as having an ability taken from them hemalurgically? Essentially what I'm asking is, do we know whether this 'scarring' will be that bad based on any evidence? Or is it instead that we assume it will be bad based off the way it's been spoken of? Because we know you heal according to ideals, if you replace that part of your soul to once again fit these ideals, then sure you won't have that exact piece of soul but that's not to say it won't work just as well, is it?
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So then it implies that you could chain produce allomancers or feruchemists as long as they have access to F-gold. And you wouldn't have to kill dozens of people for it.
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As we know, using hemalurgy essentially splices a part of a persons spiritual DNA depending on the bind point used and splicing it into another persons spirit web. This can result in different abilities being granted depending on where the spike is placed and the type of spike used. We also know that gold feruchemy can heal a person spiritually, not only restoring their physical bodies but their spiritual self as well. So, would it be possible to have a full feruchemist willingly offer themselves to have one of their feruchemical abilities taken, but they have stored up a LOT of health in a goldmind. As soon as they are spiked they tap this goldmind, restoring their spiritweb and retaining their spiked ability, whilst still allowing the ability to be given to another via the spike. This could be applied to anyone if medallions with enough health are available, and would be more feasible for compounders as I presume an enormous amount of health would be necessary. Anyway, I welcome your thoughts.
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I see, thanks for the clarification. Although I'd disagree that his children were nothing special. Sure his descendants weren't, but that's a few hundred years down the track. His children would presumably still have had some sort of power? We know that the stronger the allomantic bloodlines the stronger the allomancers and higher chance of breeding allomancy. Surely after his ascension, no one had a more powerful bloodline than he and his children would have presumably had mistborn powers. They may not have gone on to do anything significant, maybe they became inquisitors or something, but I wouldn't say they 'weren't special' because we don't really know that.
