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I get the feeling that in between now and Mistborn Era 4, we will see at least one more duology or trilogy that focuses on one or more shards. My logic behind this is that there are 6, yes 6, shards we know nothing about. I think we will get a novella about the survival shard, a duology or tow about two to three other shards, and then the big bads for Mistborn Era 4 will be the remaining shards, especially because Hoid will be a protagonist of the final Era.

33 minutes ago, Iadn said:

So are you theorizing the Shin are not human then?  

 

Not exactly, I think they are humans, just adapted to whatever caused the weirdness in Shinovar. The weirdness that makes it so that spren are not common or even present in Shinovar.

I am going to receive a lot of flak for this, but Shallan and Wayne are sidekick characters. Shallan's book, Words of Radiance was basically Kaladin chapter 2: More guard duty, now with 50% more annoying lightweaver. Shallan is a sidekick to Jasnah, Dalinar, and Kaladin. The story would work without her, Jasnah might do a better job actually. Wayne is a literal sidekick and he realizes this.

4 hours ago, Pathfinder said:

Potentially maybe? Unfortunately we have not seen that many oaths sworn on screen of the various orders to really compare to find out. As it stands we only know three or four skybreaker, 3 windrunner, 3 edgedancer, 4 lightweaver, and 3 bondsmith oaths. We don't know any of the oaths of the willshapers, the stonewards, the releasers, the elsecallers, and the truthwatchers. Ironically enough the only orders that are side by side that we know some of the oaths of are skybreakers, windrunners and bondsmiths. I think once we start to learn some of the other orders we can begin to have an idea. 

The Stoneward Oaths would be much appreciated, as would the Elsecallers. 

4 hours ago, CrazyRioter said:

I kind of suspect that Oathbringer is an honorspren, given that reaction to keeping oaths and protecting the bridgemen. Which would make that scenario even more interesting.

This would be awesome. What if Oathbringer is one of Syl's brothers or sisters? How would that even work? Seeing the Blackthorn as a fully fledged radiant with a new blade and plate would be incredible. 

3 hours ago, Oltux72 said:

Population pressure or simple greed are far easier reasons for starting the Desolations. And, frankly, less contradictory. If the humans had just ruined Shinovar, too, why were they strong enough to take the rest of Roshar? A hostile environment they were not adapted to and knew little about.

I think that what ever made Shinovar habitable for the Shin made it longer term uninhabitable for the rest of the humans. Which is why they left and attacked the Singers.

6 hours ago, IcaroRibeiro said:

I guess human destroyed their past world and came to Roshar begging  

Yes, but what I am saying is that they did something in Shinovar that made them go to the Singers for more land, which kicked off the desolation, created the Shin, and caused the Heralds to go to Honor for the Oathpact.

I was reading the article on the coppermind about the Dawnchant and this quote caught my attention: "They came from another world. Using powers that we have been forbidden to touch. Dangerous powers, of spren and Surges. They destroyed their lands and have come to us begging." Notice that the Singer writing this mentions another world (Ashlyn) and Destroyed lands. This leads me to believe that the humans took over Shinovar first. But some sort of ecological disaster caused them to go to the native Singer population and ask for more land. This might also explain why the Shin look so distinctive, they are the humans that stayed in Shinovar and where changed by the disaster that happened there.

We also know that spren are rare in Shinovar, that would suggest that the cognitive realm is different there compared to the rest of Roshar. The powers of spren and surges mentioned might include abilities that warp the cognitive realm and make it hard or impossible for most spren to manifest in Shinovar. What ever was unleashed may have restructured the boundary between Shadesmar and the Physical realm in such a way that it distanced them or created a Sel like environment that is hostile to life. This is supported by Shinovar being the region of Roshar closest to Sel on the map. That region of the Cognitive Realm sea is called the Sea of Regrets, which is also evidence the something bad once happened there. I think that we will soon find out what caused those names and why Shinovar is so different from the rest of Roshar. 

22 minutes ago, Calderis said:

@Quantus And no, Aluminum doesn't have to be 100% pure to have it's negation effect... But we don't know the cutoff. 

The "Aluminum guns" in Era 2 are actually made of a scandium Alloy (less than 1% scandium to aluminum) which is real and used in gun frames... But not the barrels or chambers. 

Cosmere aluminum is, by all indications, a fair bit stronger than real aluminum. Nightblood's sheath, though dull can be rammed through a torso and block blades without being visibly marred.

And the illustrious Peter Ahlstrom, in a discussion with @Ravioli, said that the guns are an Alloy of "aluminum, scandium and handwavium" after much consternation from Ravi. 

Aluminum is actually strong compared to something like wood. I have seen some aluminum spikes that withstand some pretty nasty forces and not deform. At me work we use an Aluminum block to reshape steel sheets that have rather large dents in them. If Nightbloods sheath was even 14-10 gauge, it would still be light and strong enough to block a sword, skewer a person, and most other light duty killing. Also, the sheath may be dull, but it is still likely pointed. Humans are soft and fleshy, and any object driven with significant force with go through a human. 

Aluminum also has a aluminum "field" in the cosmere. That is why a Rioter standing beneath a guy with a foil hat will not be able to influence him. Impure alloys have lesser but still significant effects that are similar to aluminum. There is likely an alloy that would replicate Scadrian aluminum alloys used in allomantically resistant weapons. How ever, the Scadrain guns likely wear out faster than Terran guns because of the environment produced by the gun being fired. That and the mercury based primers in Terran ammo might eat away at the Aluminum alloy in the guns, leading to catastrophic failure  of the weapon in combat. 

It is possible that the Oathpact did not bind the Unmade and Thunderclasts. From my reading, it looked like the Oathpact only bound the Fused to Braize and contained the bulk of Odium's forces. It is easier to deal with an Unmade with out having to worry about a bunch of angry, armed, flying parshmen.

I think Wayne's resonance might be something that is basically lightweaving-lite. It does not give him the full holographic disguise route, but it might change his appearance and voice a little to make his hats work better and his disguises more convincing. Either that or it manipulates his connection to the person that he is basing his disguise off of.

On 2/13/2019 at 9:23 AM, RayW2 said:

Lol. Classic. "Adolin is gonna die and Kaladin will take Shallan, because no way Kaladin doesn't get a girl" Who cares that Sanderson was building Adolin/Shallan since book 2.

I have wanted Shallan dead for a long time, she is irritating. Same with Renarian, Adolin needs something to push him over the edge. Kaladin needs what counts as an antidepressant on Roshar. I want to see Jasnah as a view point character, maybe have her end her annoying ward and create a rift between Adolin and the rest of the Kohlin family.

Rubies are red,

Sapphires are blue,

I'd give up drinking

Just to save you. 

I can see it. It is a very Brandon thing to do. 

13 hours ago, Use the Falchion said:

Second is Kaladin. Kaladin is clearly on the growth track to becoming a Bondsmith. The way he brings people together sometimes feels like it goes beyond just leading - sometimes it screams "Unite Them." If I remember correctly, Syl even fought off some Gloryspren, which seems like some foreshadowing to me! Lastly, not every character is going to make it out. Dalinar, as much as I love him, is probably closest to that chopping block and they'll need all three Bondsmiths for whatever happens next. And that's where Kaladin steps in. Alternatively Kaladin can bypass this by simply taking Ishar's Honorblade as mentioned above. 

Weirdly enough I agree with this. Kaladin, if he can swear the 4th Oath, is a good candidate to take on a bond with the Stormfather. The Stormfather seems to dislike him less than the rest of humanity, as evidenced by him making comments about Kal and his arguments with Syl. Also, it would be awesome to see the Father-Daughter interactions going on between Syl and the Stormfather and Kaladin having to mediate between the two of them. 

As far as multiple spren bonds, I think some spren are more likely to accept a second Nahel bond than others. The Honor spren are highly territorial and the Highspren seem like they do not like people that much. But the Inkspren and Cryptics might be persuaded to share a host.

Well, we have seen Soulcasting savants who do not have the Nahel bond to negate some of the damage. They start looking like the essence they use the most and eventually die from it. A Knights Radiant might experience something similar, but it is likely that their Spren prevents some of the more....extreme effects of overusing their surges.

2 hours ago, Harrycrapper said:

I'd also like to mention that your first sentence says "I don't think Jasnah wants to kill the Heralds" and your third sentence states she just wants to keep finding and killing them. I'm guessing you meant send them back to Braize as opposed to some sort of permadeath, but that just read kinda funny.

Ha Ha, thats what I meant. 

1 hour ago, Scion of the Mists said:

This is not how the Oathpact works.  The Oathpact is still in force even when all the Heralds are on Roshar (i.e. during Desolations).  Fused killed are returned to Braize and are not allowed to leave.  Following the Desolation, there's a time limit on how long the Heralds before they have to go back to Braize, or they would trigger a new Desolation.  So it's not that at least one Herald has to be on Braize to trap the Fused - it's that at least one Herald has to return to Braize following the Desolation.  

The Everstorm, however, allows the Fused to bypass the Oathpact restriction, and be reborn immediately.  Therefore the Oathpact (which is likely still in place), is completely useless - at least as long as the Everstorm exists.  

True, but I think if a Herald was back on Braize, it might prevent the Fused from returning during the Everstorm in the time between the Herald returning to Braize and the Herald breaking again. We see that the Heralds can return willingly, or they return when their head meets the fist of a Thunderclast. Jasnah is the kind of person who would exploit this quirk of the Oathpact to slow down Odium's forces. Also, why have the rest of the Fused not awakened? We have only seen 4 orders so far: Gravitation, Abrasion, Progression, and Illumination. Where are the rest of them? 

I don't think Jasnah wants to kill all of the heralds. I think she is going to use them as a way to buy Roshar time to figure out how to deal with the Fused and Unmade. Just keep finding and killing the Heralds to send them back to Braize. Each time one breaks, kill another one, find the recently broken one and kill him or her once its his or her turn. As long as there is a Herald on Braize, the Fused cannot return and Odium's main army stays bound. The Unmade are kept in their perfect gem prisons(or killed with Nightblood) and Odium has no way to full unleash his power. Its not perfect, but it would work until Jasnah figured out how to save the world.

1 hour ago, Quantus said:

Yes, there are people with Hemalurgy who have been to Roshar. I'm pretty sure they've been on-screen.

I am 95% percent sure that would be Felt. He seems just the type to have double Atium spikes in order to live longer. And since he is from House Venture, it is likely that he has a private atium retirement policy.

Has any one seen Young Justice season 2? The Reach tried to suppress the human propensity for violence to create a docile slave race. Maybe the aliens tried to do the same to humans after seeing the human expansion into the larger galactic community. The aliens wipe out the human empire and then try and enslave the rest of the pink war monkeys. And that leads to the current prison planet.

This begs the question: What is bread like on Roshar? Is Herdazian flatbread anything like Alethi flatbread? What does Shin bread taste like? And what flavorings go into Thaylen pastries? Does anybody have any links relating to this? My last chouta recipe failed due to the bread.

8 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

so if you fill a shardblade with a massive amount of investiture, might it be easier for the sword to "heal"? Especially if you give it time to adjust to the idea that it's a live, healthy spren. 

Also as a separate idea (maybe this should be a different post) if a radiant found a way to "eat" a spren, since it's basically consentrated investiture, would that fill him or her with stormlight? That might be a way around the Weeping.

 

I just realized that this post is a bit of a non-sequitur.

First thing, it would be ridiculously difficult to store investure in a shardblade because investure resists investure. That is why it is hard to steel-push a metalmind. And there is more to the damaged shardblades than just missing investure. They are missing a part of their Identity that was taken by their former Radiant. We are not sure how to reverse this, but a popular theory is that the new shardbearer would have to swear the Oaths relating to the Order their blade originated from.

The spren eating presents a problem for the same reason as your shardblade idea. Identity is something we do not yet understand in the cosmere and would effect how that would work. 

I assumed that the Alethi were Indian, based on their descriptions and their food.

The Herdazians appear to be close to Hispanic, mainly because their culture and food appear reasonably close to hispanic food.

The Horneaters appear to be similar to an Island culture like Polynesian.

I thought the Azish were African American with Ancient Chinese culture.

I assumed the Shin were a bunch of slightly weird looking, short white people. 

47 minutes ago, InsaneScotsman said:

I always imagined perpendicularities on Threnody to be caused by concentrations of deaths all at once, say a small village or something. All the extra investiture needed to create a shade flooding to make multiple shades in close proximity makes a brief, small, unstable perpendicularity

I have thought something similar for a while. Possibly a back to the future like jump start needed to get into the perpendiculary.

I am not sure about the in-world text, but I think the title refers to how the book will play out in the first couple sections. I think we will see much more of Venli and the various human nations that are being effected by World War Roshar. I think we will see the radiants using their abilities in a more formal war setting, I also think we will see many more radiants. At least 6 3rd Oath or above Windrunners and many more squires, 2-3 Lightweavers, A few Truthwatchers and Edgedancers, and possibly some Stonewards. As for the other Orders, I am not sure. I think we will also see how hard the war is on the Singers. Now that the Fused can return every week or so, I think there will have been a drastic drop in the amount of available meat-puppets for them to inhabit. That could lead to a number of problems for both sides of the conflict. For the Singers, it means that the Fused have to scale back on their offensive until they can breed more hosts or find a way for a Fused to inhabit a human. For Team Radiant, it means that they are having to develop new methods of fighting and possibly practice siege warfare on a level never before seen on Roshar. It might also mean that their technology is having to be developed much more quickly because of the Fused figuring out how to inhabit human bodies and Team Radiant has to find these hosts and kill them.