Joe ST

Quick clarification, this was from June 11? or November 6? (stupid American dates)

Thanks Shadow Guardian, another source of vectors can be found on the Coppermind where we have the Orders, the Surges, the equivalent void Surges, the Aons, and three sets of Metal symbols already vectored for (fair) use by anyone. If you would be willing to trace the Void orders, the Alethi characters, or particularly the Hero of Ages symbols, for usage on the wiki, that would be amazing

I think I'm going to put my vote in to be post it as you have it now, but then post the secret scenes later as a separate update, letting us know what they are... I am happy to be in suspenders as much as you guys, and I'd kinda prefer to read it that way? I'm weird XD

We didn't notice, but please don't do it every day XD

Hey Dangermond, thanks for this I just moved your article, I put it as a sub-page of your username since it's your personal project, and not yet an official thing? The redirect is still there, but now that it's in the user namespace it's less likely to get caught up in searches it's not meant to. Thank you again for the effort you put into it. Please refrain from updating your dataset too often, as downloading the whole wiki could be fairly draining on our bandwidth. Also I suggest you look at the mediawiki API, it might be easier for you to parse the content wihtout having to scrape the html and removing all the horrible mediawiki skin html and stuff.

Luckily we have other names for Ladrian and Cladent (and technically Spook is just a nickname, on top of Jedal and Lestibournes) How about Marsh?

It could go in a part of the infobox, along with the local depiction of the names (using steel alphabet/alethi script/aons/etc.) if people think that would be cool...

So does Peter approve of adding pronunciations to the coppermind? I'm thinking there's a number of possibilities for different bits we could make note of: - In world - Brandon's - Audiobook - Popular mispronunciations? Would that escape us from the possibilities brought up by Eric and Weiry?

OK, so I guess cem should put the rest of his detail back in the article, sorry dude ><

we could, technically, do as wikipedia does and have Scadrian: pronunciation as well as ours? or a list of alternatives? but I agree that it's all rather subjective, and messy

To the point of recounting the story though?

I kinda agree with Eric, but they can also be useful? I just wanted to see popular opinion and check if it would be worth adding a template for them

I'd rather have more input from others before agreeing that you should stop, I'm not exactly the person you should rely on for judgement of completeness or verbosity considering how many stubs I make XD

So, I've noticed that Cem has added some pronunciation guides to articles, and was wondering whether I should make a quick template to make this easier for others to add to other articles. Would it just be a link to the IPA and 'respelling' pages on wikipedia? So: {{pronounced |ipa=ˈkælædɪn |respel=KAL-a-din }} With both parameters being optional, resulting in (pronounced /ˈkælædɪn/ KAL-a-din) and how much of wikipedia's templating magic do I need to add to format the plain-text input into something acceptable to people?

I agree that your intro is rather verbose. I'd probably (as a stupidly subjective and very rough guide) say that an intro shouldn't be any longer than the infobox? But that's just a random decision. I also agree with Weiry, it shouldn't necessarily be so focused on history. I don't know how to express this, but I don't know if we should have our articles being so detailed? I mean, we've had one book so far, and you've already pushed it to the fifth longest page. I don't know how close we want to get to actually just re-describing the story? Especially considering we have coming-up 2000 articles which that could potentially happen to? These are just my immediate reactions, not any way policy or anything. I want to discuss them rather than enforce my possibly wrong views as 'law' ><

Regards the memory storage space, I can see a continual background process repreatedly going over the index and finding out what doesn't get any attention and then recompressing all that so it takes even less space, and results in a 'fuzzier' eventual rememberance, because some of the detail has been lost in the compression (much like what happens to jpegs and mp3s, but continual and gradual). I still find it weird how relaxed Sylvie got at the end of the Mike bit, she seemed to really easily ask to be invited to his place, and to invite him back, and to ask him out? It was just surprisingly fast I think? ><

OK so yeah, I get it a bit better now I think? I still don't see why fiVe can't do (or ask someon to) some memory surgery, taking the raw data that forms the bad memories and archiving it, or marking all the bad bits in the index at least. I get that the fuzzy logic behind memory retrieval could lead to the remembering from all three. Is it impossible for anyone to conduct tweaks to the code? Could Sylvie not 1. change the way Vee would corrupt then 2) tell Miranda how the old way worked, or talk Miranda thru disabling the failsafes then C: letting Miranda changing the fiVes failsafes and fixing corurption and adding improvements and stuff? So basically, Miranda messed up V2's code and the corrupt memories (and code?) of Sylvies and the addition of extra memories from Miranda and Seiko are making it extra hard for fiVe to function. One of the main problems I can see is that accruing new memories either needs lots of space or needs to overwrite older stuff. The fact that you have also fundamentally separated the code from the memories means that the code itsself can be constant size but the memories will have a strictly increasing memory footprint, unless older memories are lost. I assume that you could modify the AIs into pretty efficient psychoanalysts, they could basically record and sort thru all someones memories without internalising them,. Just as a technical note, having extra hard drives doesn't help at all, in the processing department. You need extra processors and more temporary memory, rather than the storage space which is what hard drives are for. The only thing I can see hard drives being good for is if the standard way that the memories are stored is in a big compressed and binary blob, and the AI wanted to take a copy of them and unpack them and sort thru stuff slowly? Another use would be for logging live activities like sensor data, for later analysis. I'm sorry these thoughts are so disjoint, unfinshed and rambly, thank you for answering me

OK It's just I think you might be mixing up things a little. If your average/high end tablet in 2020 can run a fully fledged completely autonomous living being with upwards of 30 years of instantly retrievable and indexed memories. And the ability to add more memories and on the fly, including actually interacting with people. And being able to do some ancillary tasks like internet searches and other things. Like ok, I can see if you instead had some form of permanent wireless/cellular signal to a bigger computer and more storage... but that's obviously not how it works. You have a fiVe, who has some code corruption? which is causing memory trouble? Is that because its part of the code that IS the memories or just the access/decoding bit of the code is going scrambly? And why has drifting broken the code? Does that mean you are using genetic algorithms and self-modifying code which encodes the memories in the code itself? If that's the case then Hydrophobia's hard disk will be of no use, because all of the code is always necessary for it to run, or else why wouldn't fiVe have syphoned off the worst of it into this offline disk and left it there so that she can never accidentally access it? Another thing I don't get is why doesn't Vee fork herself into many concious subprocesses when she's on a mainframe, what's stopping fiVe from, whenever she gets triggered, she forks herself and kills her current self. Just... there's so much stuff that AI's can dooooooo XD

HDD for ofline memory storage? do neither of the AI's have the ability to archive old memories (as is evident by fiVe's inability to think of the past without fragmenting ><)? do they just not do constant logging then? because that would take up rather a lot of space, unless they somehow refactor their 'short term' logs into a general manifest along with the 'long term' eventually forgetting stuff?

Oh a quick question, the AI's do they not 'improve' in performance if you give them lots of power? Like, they were on tablets a lot, surely giving them a big old cluster would make them be able to be faster? and can they talk in a more 'electronic' manner, or is that just them not being allowed/wanting to get too comfortable with each other? I LIKE AIs!!!! XD ><

Peter, RE: only year: We have calendars from other books to consider too.

Would you be willing to give us a hint on what we call the current era then? We don't want to be using it on the wiki if it's incorrect :\

I'd say it is possible by using the special Category intersection page

I kinda just .... leave it on >< I don't really see it as a useful indicator, and I review every edit anyway so I kinda just ignore it XD

XD XD this is the extent of my liveblogging skills ><