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I must agree, though I wouldn't have said "far" worse. It was definitely over-hyped, but it was okay. While we're on the subject, I liked Last Jedi much more than everyone else seems to.

That's the point. By sacrificing Honor, Cultivation learns how to defeat Odium. That means, Cultivation helps Honor against Odium by being the one to collect and use the information, since Honor wouldn't be around anymore. Good point.

@Stormblessed Dolphin I solemnly swear never to reveal secret information regarding TUBA. I swear never to defile any sort of baked goods with spikes - hemalurgic or otherwise. I swear due allegiance to this guild, its goals, and its leaders. I swear all of this truthfully, so help me Tanavast.

Yes, she'd still be on Honor's side. The theory was saying that, by helping Odium kill Honor, Cultivation learned how to kill Odium. I expanded slightly on this idea, saying that Honor had made this sacrifice willingly, so that Cultivation would be able to beat Odium. Your evidence (which says that Cultivation and Honor were romantically involved) neither proves nor disproves the theory. It is feasible that Cultivation could have let Honor make the sacrifice, despite her feelings. (if that's how shardic love works) I know it's an old thread, but I had something to say. Can anyone blame me? Are we not all nerds to some degree or another?

Maybe not. It could easily have been a complicated plan to let Cultivation know how to defeat Odium. If there's any truth to this theory, then I'd bet Honor was in on the plan. It certainly does seem an honorable act to sacrifice one's self to bring about the end of a malevolent power. This is very easy to believe, if you were paying attention for the last hour or so of Hero of Ages. Preservation made a complicated plan to defeat or incapacitate Ruin, despite his inability to attack Ruin himself. He just needed someone whose goals hadn't been corrupted by the Intent of the power. Honor and Cultivation just needed to trick Odium into giving up his secret. That said, I know Brandon's pretty clever, but I doubt he'd do this to us.

I'll say the same for Fablehaven. (another Brandon Mull series) It was pretty good, but the comparison is like a whitespine trying to rival a chasmfiend.

Thanks @Archer

I love the idea! I'd read it if you made a full story out of this. Actually I think it was in OB. I may just think that because OB is all about Gavilar and how he became king. I'll probably know by my next listen-through. As for the name, it's too symmetrical. Ialai's name is considered blasphemous because it's a perfect palindrome. You'd have to add a suffix.

Same. My uncle and cousin like to recommend audiobooks for me. One of them was WoK. From there I listened to Steelheart, Rithmatist and Warbreaker and loved them. Eventually got WoR, then Emperor's Soul. What books have you read, and (of most interest to me) do you think an Honorblade or Nightblood would win if two swordsmen of equal skill got in a fight?

I'm relatively new myself, though I've been a Sanderson fan for years. I have one piece of advice - don't take the cookies! (tbh I still don't really get it but any family needs some inside jokes)

I must know, how does one join the Church of the Stick? Does it involve getting beat with a stick? Do you play a lot of baseball? Does this mean there's a church of the Feather? Wait . . . should I be praying to my Heavenly Feather? LUKE! I AM YOUR FEATHER!

Spider-man Szeth is the greatest wall crawler walker. or Spider-man Dalinar is the greatest wall crawler temple-fixer or Spider-man Adolin is the greatest wall crawler stone-walker A chick and a bunny-rabbit went frolicking through the grass on a sunny day. (you can use Hoid's adaptation or make one of your own)

Fine, but as soon as you do, a spaceship arrives from Scadrial. Before you know it, the Set rules Roshar. You defeated Odium, but you're much weaker for it and you can't save Roshar from the Set, who have developed overpowering technology while you've been worrying about desolations. By the way, the Set have teamed up with the Ghostbloods. They create super technology by combining fabrials with their already great machines. The people of Roshar will be slaves forever. And the worst part is, you know Odium would've been able to stop this. I wish to be a kandra. And, like Bleeder, I know how to get spikes that let me use allomancy/feruchemy.

Thanks, guys. Nice to know I got something right for once. Just for clarification though, What you say is officially true, but in OB, the Eila Stele says: Now, it's worth noting that the Dawnsingers' perspective wouldn't be 100% accurate. But the wording implies that the voidbringers definitely belong to Odium. (or the other way around) Any more thoughts?

Obviously take this with a pinch of copper. But it is my theory that Investiture manifests differently depending on what planet it appears on. I noticed that the magic on Scadrial is based on metal, hence the "Metallic" arts. Both Atium and Lerasium are metals, but come from different shards. Then on Roshar, Honor's power is stormlight. Now, I don't know about Cultivation, but Odium's power seems to be an opposite to Honor's, called voidlight. We don't know where Odium came from before, or how his power manifested there, so I don't have more than these two examples, though I find it hard to believe this is coincidence. Maybe it was the easiest way for Brandon to tell a good story, without having to get too technical and explain too much about the magic, but maybe there's something to this theory.

So maybe an AonDor disguise? I remember reading a WoB where Brandon said it's theoretically possible to "hack the magic system" so AonDor could be used on a different planet. Kind of like how Vasher goes to Roshar to use stormlight instead of breaths. Maybe not though. I'm pretty confused by the magic of Sel.

I got one. What is Shallan's biggest fear? A one-armed herdazian walks into a bar. The bartender asks him how he lost his arm. And the herdazian says: "I can count on one hand the number of times I've been asked that." (I can count on one hand the number of people who laughed at that.) What can a one-armed herdazian do with one hand tied behind his back? How did the one-armed herdazian beat the chasmfiend?

Thanks @CrazyRioter. @Stark Where did you get the idea I haven't read OB? I have listened to it. Several times. I talked about the Battle of Thaylen Field and a little bit of the part where they go to shadesmar.

Okay, I was just listening to WoR at the part when Pattern is talking about the nature of spren. He says the spren "aren't born as men are, and don't die as men do." He says that before gaining sentience, spren are just sort of in everything all at once, though the translation is difficult to explain. He tells Shallan of the old cryptics that had been bonded to radiants, and how they were returned to their non-sentient state after the recreance, that nothing anyone could do would bring them back. (That actually kind of reminds me of how AonDor stopped working, only this change was brought about by the radiants changing, not the land.) Thing is, Maya is being brought back. Remember that Adolin refused to name his blade, presumably out of respect for it, or at least its previous life. I don't have a clue what to think of Shallan's past, but she can summon her blade (Pattern???) in less than 10 heartbeats. So did Adolin in the Battle of Thaylen Field. I think being a dead-eye is about the equivalent to a human being catatonic. Maya is recognizing Adolin's virtues and wanting to serve once again. I think Adolin is probably bringing her back to life. I wonder if he'll get to bond her when the process completes. I'm sure you guys will find about six things wrong with my explanation, so go for it. P.S. Do we know what kind of spren Maya was?

NO, Slowswift! Don't take the cookies! Do I get any kind of reward for spotting @WayneSpren as a DA member? Probably not. Worth asking though. As for the theory, I very much doubt this is the case. Fitch knew the line of silencing was rithmatic, but he had little reason to believe he could make it work this time, despite what Joel said. He'd drawn it a lot of times before and it didn't do anything then. The book "Origins of Power" talks about stuff like "chaining of a shadowblaze," which implies that one need not be incepted to become a rithmatist, instead seeming to say that you need to find and capture one of these creatures, much like the Nahel bond, now that I think about it.

It certainly feels like he should be. Nalizar said some stuff that I want an explanation for. As it is, I don't think I'd be too disappointed if the focus switched to someone else.

I doubt that's possible.

By all means, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Shards themselves are Investiture. They're sentient beings, and Investiture is manifestations of their power. Are you 100% sure? Once again, if you have evidence to the contrary then bring it forward. If Dalinar is capable of setting Odium free by simply giving him permission, then clearly it's not the Oathpact that's keeping him there, since Dalinar isn't part of the Oathpact. But Honor is dead (but lives on in the hearts of men . . . Reminds me of Preservation.) and Cultivation, it doesn't seem to me like she's doing much to hinder Odium. Not actively, at least. I always tell myself to learn from others' mistakes and not make assumptions. So my understanding of fabrials is: the type of gem/spren along with the shape of the metal surrounding it determines the function of the fabrial. The logic behind my claim was that, since the cut (in correspondence with the type of gem) determines what spren would be captured in it, and the type of spren in part determines what the fabrial will do, then the cut has an indirect affect on the function of the fabrial. It doesn't say it outright, but after a little reasoning it makes a great deal of sense. Thanks for calling out my unproven claim used as if it were fact, but after all, I was only asking a question. The wording of that particular question is kind of dumb, since I've just said that I think a fabrial's function is based on the kind of shape of metal and the kind of spren inside, not the cut. I should have said, What kind of fabrials could be made with Nergaoul as the spren? I noticed you all had something to say about Odium being trapped in a gemstone. You provided convincing arguments, so here's a follow-up question: Do you think Odium could be neutralized like Ruin was when Sazed took both powers? I'm not asking if it's theoretically possible, I know that is, I'm asking if you think there's a realistic (in the cosmere sense, not IRL, obviously) series of events in which someone takes the powers of Odium and another Shard to balance them out.

It's hinted at in Oathbringer that the big pillar of gemstones in the library is part of a fabrial, or that the city itself is a fabrial. Is it unlikely that the spren in this fabrial was the Sibling? We know that all fabrials require a spren, and the Sibling is just another spren. Indeed, Re-Shephir has once been trapped in a gemstone, and at the end of the book Nargaoul is in the gemstone called King's Drop, which is a gemstone that doesn't lose stormlight and which the unmade supposedly would be incapable of getting out of. This idea has got to have some measure of accuracy. Also, the King's Drop brings up more questions: Must the gemstone be cut perfectly* for the spren inside to be incapable of escape, since other fabrials lose stormlight and their spren don't escape. * cut perfectly, meaning stormlight doesn't leek from it So if it wasn't the cut that mattered (which is still under debate, by the way), was it the size of the gem Dalinar needed? Because there were plenty of other gems around to use. What would a fabrial with that cut (and with Nargaoul inside) do? We know from Navani's notebook that the cut of the gem influences what the fabrial does. Are there multiple ways to cut a gem so that it doesn't leek? Could such a gem trap Odium without having to make an oathpact? And what does the Urithiru fabrial do anyway? The elevators seem to work independently of that. It's in the middle of the library, so that might be a clue.