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Ok, so here is what I have. Its far from perfect - a lot of words (almost all names) and sometimes sentences missing. Tenses are probably messed a lot too and its not rly formatted, but maybe someone can use it as base for better transcript as most of text is already done. When there is something missing I put time to corresponding audio. prolog-en.doc

I have very rough transcript of audio ( a lot missing words/sentences - they are marked with time in audio file). It mostly gives idea about text, but it might be base for some better english speaker to prepare proper transcript. Can someone confirm if I can add it or not?

@Thanatos Memory of Recreance. Edgedancer suggested theory, which could explain why all Orders abandoned Oaths, but for sure not confirmed it. There was WoB that abandoning Oathpact wasnt direct reason for Honor's shattering, it just had some impact on him.

So Heralds abandoned Oathpact - Radiants did nothing as response to that. WoB confirms imo this situation. But there is possibility that after Heralds abandoned Oathpact some of them contacted Radiants and convinced them that greater good requires them to break their Oaths. I think about this situation @Rob Lucci is asking, and I dont think WoB address this. There was WoB where Sanderson pointed that Honor had memories of Recreance so he should be shattered after. In books only one vision is marked as vision of future. Others, even that not openly said so, feel like memories of something Honor actually experienced. This two things allow as to assume that Shattering was after Recreance.

@maxal I think you are overreaching. You know that Adolin killed Sadeas and now you interpret every clue to reach that conclusion. But I see no reason for someone without our knowledge what did happen to immediately suspect Prince Adolin. What someone without knowledge would see is just body and that something was removed from wall, he wouldnt even know what. Spot with removed things on wall can be anything in that case for investigator - it might be makings of one of scouting parties (not necessary Adolin's one as there were many), it could be some unknown marking for secret meeting of unknown people. Sadeas could stumble onto that secret meeting and got killed because of that (its as liekely as assumption that Highprince son killed him). Adolin's look and clothing - its hard to say if it was as perfect as you assume to begin with. He could have his battle cloths still. A lot of basic stuff was lost when armies ported from Shattered Plains. With some taking care its possible that no one would notice anything strange about Adolin's clothing or look because again, why would investigator make him first suspect? And there is big change that Adolin can manage change cloths long before Sadeas body is discovered without being noticed. Knife - I find your assumption extremely unlikely - it just dont add up that Adolin would think about shirt cuffs, Oathbringer and markings on wall (which shows that his mental abilities wernt that limited as you might think) and ignore most obvious thing, actually only thing which could tie him directly to murder. Adolin isnt stupid, and he would need to be extremely stupid to leave knife behind. More pleasurable assumption is that he retrieved knife and taken with himself. So then as I see it, there are no direct ties to Adolin. Who ever will investigate has rly no reason to suspect Adolin himself - House of Kholin might be suspect because of history with Sadeas but it more rational for investigator to assume that assassin was hired, then that Highprince's son killed Sadeas himself. So unless Renarian or Shallan can provide some Radiant based help to investigation I dont see why someone should first connect Adolin to it. I think that investigation itself will be stuck because of lack of hard evidence but there will be other repercussions. As repercussions of Sadeas' death we might see his wife attacking House of Kholin - she will probably assume that House of Kholin was behind of murder as her assasins tried murder Dalinar before.

How could investigation look like? From what we know, only things left by Adoli were markings on walls which he destroyed using Shardblade. If someone notice it, and make connection to Shardblade its one trace. What else can point to Adolin directly? There were a lot people in corridors as there were more then one discovery party. As far as we know there is no modern criminology. So in end it when we look at what people there can know it will look that Sadeas was killed by normal weapon, then some unknown markings on wall were destroyed (maybe by using Shardblade if this can be detected). Markings could be from either one of several parties discovering place, or some other unknown markings. Seems not much rly to determine who did it - one body, some destroyed marking, nothing else. Unless new Radiants like Renarian or Shallan can provide some additional input then I dont see how it can be solved fast or implicate anyone specific as murderer.

@Spoolofwhool I see question where he Invested as very important because thats (imo) where he is and where majority of his power is. Another question is, can Odium influence Roshar directly or only via his Splinters (sprens) and/or minions- see Scadrial example? If he Invested on Braize, then fact that he seems to influence Roshar mostly via his Splinters makes sense. And that he needed Splinters in first place if he cant move to Roshar himself . We know that Odium has his Splinters on Roshar, maybe its enough to trigger magic system? Or he was on Roshar for short time, but enough to trigger magic system and then was forced/tricked to move to Braize. On Scadrial we know there is atm only Harmony, but other Shard was able to create unknown metal and start to influence things even without Investing into planet so influence itself isnt proof of Investing. Thats why I wouldnt dismiss question about where Odium actually Invested. BTW I using term shardpool instead of perpendicularity because I cant spell perpendicularity from memory

@emailanimal Thats big question, does presence of Shard Splinters on planet mean that Shard invested into planet?

Wasnt it confirmed that there are only two Shardpools on Roshar (Cultivation's and Honor's) ? And that Braize has Shardpool ? I seem to remember this but dont remember now where I read it so no source Shardpool is major indication that Shard Invested in that planet. But yea, you have good point with voidbinding. And there are Splinters of Odium on Roshar (Unmades). Can shard be Invested in two planets somehow or create magic system without Investing in planet?? Ofc if I wrong about Shardpool then then above questions are pointless Edit - added WoB Hmm we know that Odium is on Braize, and he is there for long time already, so his Shardpool should be there and that mean he is mainly Invested there WoB from 2016-12-06 [Arcanum Unbounded] Herald Washington Library Center - Chicago, IL

@emailanimal I read Odium's Dilemma thread , I have some random thoughts below in spoiler tag but nothing major rly. Ah, I think Odium didnt Invest in Roshar, I think we can be assume that he is mainly Invested in Braize (I think there was WoB that there are only Cultivation's and Honor's percend.... zz cant spell it, Shardpools on Roshar).

As far as I know US version has additionally star char illustration. And its in color (same like planetary systems illustrations) I have UK version too and indeed it lacks start chart compared to US version.

WoB from 2016-12-06 [Arcanum Unbounded] Herald Washington Library Center - Chicago, IL I think it further confirms that Odium killed Honor. Tbh @Ciridae might be on to something that there was bigger plan in place, as Sanderson seems to suggest that Cultivation thanks to experience might be harder to kill. And Odium Invested in Braize, splintered himself to create sprens, so he isnt as strong as before too.

There was WoB that there were only two sides of Oathpact, Honor and Heralds. Some possible spoilers for AU essays

I guess its about interpretation of Sanderson words. My interpretation is that end result is that when she metabolize food she is getting Stormlight instead of sugar. How exactly it would works is guess work. There is difference compared to metals or Sanderson wouldnt point it out explained in details. Anyway that theory started just as funny exercise but after our discussions I think it actually might be close to truth because as you pointed out, there are things which fit my theory. I edited my previous post to reflect that I dont think that all food is converted to stormlight at once, only that its slow proces, like normal metabolism with spiking when Lift need to surgebind. BTW it might be nothing, but Lift said that she is running on food even more then normal people. She might think about fact that she need it for Surgebinding too (as she gets Stormlight that way) or unconsciously hinting that conversion food > Stormlight is less effective then food > sugar (nutrients). Thanks for not outright dismissing it and giving it some thought even that you dont agree with it Sorry for double post, should I can delete my post, and copy text into one? I edited my posts with spoiler tags. This topic itself isnt started by me so I cant change title (or can I?).

We feel hunger when body see there is lack of nutrients in blood (very simplistic view) My guess is that if she can live of Stormlight, then her body see Stormlight as nutrients (WoB you quoted says she can metabolize food into Stormlight instead of sugar) and when it disappear from blood body sends hunger signals as warning. It could work if theory that she can live of Stormlight turns true. How I see it could work would be like that: She eats something, then body start to digest food and slowly metabolize it into Stormlight which body see as nutrients like it would see sugar (simplistic), but in small amounts which sustain Lift's body. When she surgebinding conversion spike out to provide more Stormlight. When she runs out of Stormlight, Lift's body thinks she run out of nutrients and send hunger signals.

For me it looks that he starts by saying its like metals but then make it specific and actually says its different then metals. "It’s not like the metals, not exactly. It’s not-- What she can do is she can metabolize into investiture instead of sugar" and then he went on explaining it in detail why its not like metals Metal usage for alomancer spoilers His later explanations are actually exactly like I said above. Spoiler for Mistbonr about metals usage. Food is actually metabolized into Investiture instead of sugar. Funny thing is, that it might to support my theory that Lift is living of Stormlight itself Thanks for quote, for most time I cant open Theoryland (error 403 )

Was it confirmed recently, or is it still theory? Because you made it sounds like fact, and not long ago we were talking about the same thing without definitive conclusion It was about half day. Seems more or less to be time needed to metabolize eaten food. And it was not rly clear if she was talking about ability to convert or Stormlight itself. Spoolofwhool think that she was talking about food, I think that she was talking about how long she can store Stormlight itself. Spoilers for Mistborn about metals usage.

I believe it was tribute to Reddit poster who asked/joked if Lift would use/make Shardfork. Brandon answer was that actually it was something what she would do Rly nice

@StormingTexan @Spoolofwhool Ok, so what are you basically saying is that Lift can "feel" her eaten food as its being metabolized similarly to how alomancer can feel his metal reserves? And that when she says awesomeness she dont rly mean awesomeness. My problem with it is fact that every single Radiant so far made it clear that feeling of Stormlight inside you is quite distinct and unmistakable feeling. Thats why I think in quote above Lift indicate that she is getting awesomeness from food, not that food itself mean awesomeness. And that awesomeness - that feeling of storm inside you, but more strength, more speed too, is what she is referring to. At the same time when she says she isnt awesome but normal she dont mean she is hungry, but that she dont have anymore Stormlight and feeling which Stormlight provide. Ofc I might be wrong, as there is a lot unknown about how Lift abilities. We dont know if conversion is passive or active. Are there some limits of how much she can convert to Stormlight so she wont kill herself if she will converting constantly (if she can convert 100% of eaten food, and will be using Stormlight constantly, then even if she would eat all the time she would die at some point). Or is she getting some nutrition from Stormlight itself, like when Stormlight heal you, is it just speeding natural body healing abilities or external thing in addition to what body is doing (like when The Lopen sucked in Stormlight and started healing his arm, was he using only Stormlight or nutrients from body too)? If later would be true, and Lift convert passively then there is possibility that Lift actually live on Stormlight not on food itself (no idea how would it work). If she is living of Stormlight then I assume that about half day is time for her body to use up all Stormlight in her for normal body functions. Edit. Ok so updated theory is: Lift is actually living of Stormlight, not food itself. So she eats something, its passively converted to Stormlight and then her body is using Stormlight itself instead of food. That would explain why she is instantly hungry when she runs out of Stormlight. Skinny but not skeletal. I making here assumption that when sucked in Stormlight heal Radiant, its not just speeding body abilities to heal but external, "magical" thing, where Stormlight provide all resources needed for healing and speed it up. If thats true it could work as food replacement for Lift. Thoughts?

Its definitely about Stormlight: "She didn’t use her awesomeness, which was running out anyway. She hadn’t eaten since last night, and if she didn’t use the power, it eventually vanished. Took about half a day; she didn’t know why." She makes clear distinction here that she has awesomeness and that awesomeness is running away and takes half day, not potential to get awesomeness. Which in mechanic seems similar to other Radiants loosing Stormlight they sucked in. Interesting is specific timing and fact that there are no wisps of Stormlight coming out of Lift.

For me (few which come to mind now, there was more :D): - name of new sentient sprens - keensprens - fact that a lot of life on Roshar bond sprens, and some horses (I guess Ryshadiums) are almost sentient thanks to that (I knew there was bonding with sprens, but didnt know it was so common) - fact that Cultivationsprens considered bonding Ym (who turned to be Trutchwatcher) - it could mean that one person can initially attract more then one kind of sprens - that Lift after eating can store Stormlight for half day before it vanishes - that Lift can make not only herself slick but other objects - so much potential there - how not impressive was Nale while fighting Lift

Actually they were introduced via blurbs at back of WoK and WoR. This time we have chance to see who wrote that blurbs. Sanderson WoB confirmed that afterimage is cause by Szeth soul not sticking properly to body after resurrection. Anyone Invested enough might see it, same like someone closer to Cognitive Realm. Heh about standing up to Nale, what do you say about Lift standing up against storming Herald. its not hard to argue with someone when you know he wont kill you you like in Szeth case, but its different to go after someone who actively trying to kill you and is probably way more powerful. I find it interesting how often Lift bravery in Edgedancer is missed in opinions. Maybe because she never do big deal out of her choices. ad 1) biggest danger of this storm, aside from turning Parshendi into Voidbringers is fact that it blows from wrong direction. It didnt matter in that city but in other places in world, which had protection only from east it was devastating. Dont know if you read Kaladin's fragment from Oathbringer (its on Tor website) but it show that Everstorm is more destructive then Histrom because of wrong direction. ad 2) Till Edgedancer I was counting someone as Radiant after 2nd Oath but looks it need to be bumped to third one when he get Shardbalde (plus to operate Oathgates one need to have living shardblade which futher support third oath as making of Radiant) So they wernt full Radiants. They spoke max 2nd Oath imo (Nale words implied that they were trying to advance to 3rd Oath and get shard). And they were expecting another easy kill. I think that will living shardblade to turn into anything they wouldnt be that easy to kill or were able to get away -> for example by turning spren into shield and fly away. I imagine that Kaladin after WoR would be much harder to then they were. Plus they seemed to be rly new as Surgebinders and not rly seasoned warriors which probably matter too.

Well WoB is quite clear. But quote is about Ym. If your gut feeling tell you that Stump isnt Truthwatcher then I doubt anyone can convince you otherwise, and there were already arguments supporting her as Edgedancer so no point in repeating that. Similarity of sprens between Stump and Ym at last for me indicate that Stump is Truthwatcher. And she was acting more like Ym then like Lift too, Ideal wise.

Well I see Heralds more as patrons of Orders then literal leaders. We shouldnt assume that Heralds adhere to same Oaths like Radiants do. Oaths are checks on Radiants provided by sprens. But we dont know if sprens actually mimicked Heralds in that or only on surges provided by Honorbaldes and very general idea Heral represented.

As we know that this who wrote it arnt humans, I think that answer for question who is them will be Sleepless. Especially that there seem to be distinction between Srugebinding magic and magic of ancient times. Looks that you are right in your reasoning as Sanderson confirmed that Ym wasnt Edgedancer, so it leaves Truthwatcher only