Salmon Meerkat

Because Meerkat hadn't been in at least some position of trust on most Village reads before this, because no Coinshot claimed to Meerkat C2 ok. It's not my problem if you guys won't get your act together and discuss, and I'm not going to be sorry for being this brutally frank about it. I'm one player and I'm not responsible for Villlage choosing to ignore good Village play and this is one point I will happily die on. I repeatedly prevailed upon everyone to talk more and prodded discussion and it was dismissed as openwolfing. (Which I understand, given the context, but.) I pointed out reads and suspicions had to be broad, that lynch pressure had to be kept on other people rather than parked on me, I could be killed later on - votes can always move and the Coinshot is likely Village anyway. No response. Players chose to obsess and buckle down rather than to use the Ocho flip, as I kept urging. You can't complain that this shows whose Village radars are working properly and also that discussion is blocked. If discussion is blocked, then there isn't good information on whose suspicions are on-track. You can't have it both ways. I currently read this as light V because an Elim would have to be pretty damned foolish to try this one.

but im kel =) so its 100000/10 on the kel scale tyvm

So, cards on the table time. I am not Spiked. I am a Village Tineye, and I sent in the message condemning myself as a Spiked Regular. I then acted the aghast, panicking Elim who got rattled and accidentally outed myself in the thread. I hadn't prepared to 'elim slip' to Coral Swan - my plan was to do that in the thread, but Coral Swan's post presented such a good opportunity that when I saw it, I knew I had to capitalise on it. It also gave me a chance to feel Swan out more extensively, to see if Swan was an Elim trying to figure out what the bloody blazes I thought I was doing, or a genuinely confused Villager. I was intending to wait for the 24 hour mark to post this, but the thread death in my view is concerning - I was not trolling when I pointed out that discussion needed to happen and fixating on my 'scan' wasn't going to cut it. So I guess here I go ahead of schedule. I'm going to divide this post into sections that should address most concerns. I am prepared to answer questions about my research methods. I. Kel, What The Hell? II. The Plan III. How Do We Know You're A Tineye Though? IV. Why Think I'm Telling The Truth? V. Thoughts and Analysis (Based off Thread, By And Large) VI. Conclusion If you lynch me, you lynch me. I'm cool with that. I'll be back to answer questions after I get some sleep. And apologies to Swan for implicating you after my 'panic'. I hope I have made it sufficiently clear that this was on me and Swan should not be gone after until after I flip, at which point, you have other things to re-assess.

I want the Village to win this. Is that so wrong? Will you scorn contribution just because you think I can't be trusted? And to think I liked you I agree. I'm not fully certain about this but I think you're Village. I suppose that's not very helpful coming from me, but reports of Elim omniscence have been...exaggerated.

I'll be honest, I think I'm starting not to like Cham as much now. Cham's responses are just a bit off. Haven't decided where I stand on you.

Agree to share? I'd settle for a group PM =)

for what it's worth tineye 'ppreciate if u drop me a pm right before i head out i would really like to know whose fault this entire thing was >:(

Sorry bro wrong person. im kel =)

I promise that I have put on my Best Villager Hat and am only thinking of the Village's best interests right now =) But seriously, this. C'mon guys, you've played a game where a Seeker outed an Elim before. You know how this goes. You have to discuss and that means applying lethal pressure, not just talking. That means voting. Regardless of my alignment, this has always been Village doctrine, and at heart I have always been a Villager. In a way, I'm rooting for you. I have my duty but I want the curse broken.

What, you know me I hate Tyrian assumptions. What's worse than waking up at Lylo to discover the Coinshot is actually your bro Evil?

What derail your discussion? You can discuss all the things. It's not my problem if you guys are hyperfocusing on this and not looking at: D2, the results from Ocho's flip, and what this tells you about D1 instead of just focusing on me. I'll point out that another option is to lynch someone else and to leave me for the Coinshot kill, though if you think we have a Lurcher, then I agree the lynch is best. Even then, you should be diversifying your reads and applying pressure to other players. What's important is that the votes end up on me in time for rollover. You have information, so why aren't you using it? God, why do I have to tell you all this, you're all supposed to have done this before.... Point, and that's a fair thought. So we can probably leave out the Thug option. Good to know the Coinshot is likely Village.

You're also missing one possibility here. Spiked Tineye who put in the NK. Messages aren't very useful for the Spiked and while Villagers don't often recall this, and thus it improves my read of you, Spiked have to forgo their metal action (if they have one) if they put in the Night Kill. I guess I could see a Tineye also choosing not to put in a message or forgetting. A number of people tend to find Tineye messages useless. I think you can show them this game for posterity :|

This logic doesn't explain why we'd waste the first kill on Ocho either. Why kill Ocho when there's a good chance the Village could be talked into making another pass for Ocho? To be sure, there was a distinct chance of a Gorilla lynch but you either evaluate that Ocho is likely to face threat again or you evaluate that Ocho is not. If Ocho is likely to face threat again, then Ocho not a good target for a single or double kill because you are wasting your kill and helping the Village narrow PoE. (Which of course is why Gorilla is still alive - either that or Gorilla is Evil.) I haven't decided why Ocho got hit by the Elim kill. It seems counterproductive. Edit: You're welcome =)

I feel like this misses the possibility that the Elims think/thought that Ocho was a Thug and wanted to be sure. Just saying =)

I approve of this. You have just lost five Villagers in a Tyrian game. Tick-tock, tick-tock. Wouldn't want to fall to the curse, would we? I'm in a generous mood today so I'll probably help with some D2 analysis if I have the time =)

i would prefer it had not come to this, no kidding ohohoh Emerald Falcon swan im not voting 4 u out of respect even though this was a massive self-pwn

Get back in the doc, Miss 'I Think Swan is Shhshhshshh or Shshsh'

:| this is not one of my better games pls be understanding gaiz i just ide

I don't really know there's much explanation to be had, I'll be honest :| I sort of derped, and I could blame lack of sleep, and there's a reason I tell people certain things and certain situations are....sigh. I would like to forget this fiasco but. Like.

..........oh damn i had a bad feeling about this ggwp swan ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Even if it helped me ID which of the two you are, I only am roughly familiar with the Elim meta of one of the two, so if this ends up telling me you are the other player, it's not helping me read you, unfortunately So this becomes a paper exercise. But thank you.

A Brief Digression Because Insomnia: I'm going to put here my list of player ID guesses without mentioning who I think they are. I haven't been going out of my way to ID players but some are very obvious and some are less so. The point for me doing this is because I've been leaning on player ID sometimes as a baseline when assessing a player's behaviour and it feels...odd, I suppose, to expect people to just accept on faith that I am basing thoughts of the player's alignment partially on my read of the player. As a result, I've put together a table on my player ID guesses, indicating the degree of certainty/strength and listing in general terms the evidential basis for this assessment that I am drawing on. For instance, I believe my Falcon and Vulture guesses to be very robust and so will not hesitate to use them in analysis. I am reassessing my Cham guess though it is currently at 0.9 certitude. My Alb guess however is at 0.1 certitude as it's just based on a hunch, so I will not be factoring that into analysis of a player. As a rule of thumb, I hesitate to draw on any ID guess that is not at least MODERATELY HIGH in credence. tldr; read this more as a "This is where I'm coming from, and I am attempting to show my working so the limitations of my use of these guesses in facilitating a read of a player are more apparent."

urgh gonna do sme rp & gt rest & painkillers nd 2 work & class 2morrow sorry gaiz so activity will drp bt i will be active jst less so weekend was my really good time 2 se whch is y i was trying 2 push harder @Amethyst Scorpion- i think wht im struggling w/ understnding is tt axl & u & other vs im too tired 2 recall hve tld me tt elim teams these days like to wait for a late pt to oppose a train so my qn is: hw ds every1 tell me abt Sart bg elim-bussed in lg82 & tell me tts a common strat these days & tell me elims wait until l8 hoping 4 v appetite 2 die & nt expect late movement 2 look like the start of the counterpush? i dt thk the issue is about whtr 10 hours v 1 hr - my pt is if u r arguing elims now wt for counterpush v v late, then y shld i give credence 2 a counterpush tt is being originated in last hr of cycle? i will see if i cn do pathwalking based off d2 & our updated d1 info bt probably not now im tired & still in pain § he remembered as the lord, as Loenthal took his secretary away the secretary who had sought to kill Riggs, Riggs the obligator who had offered bets and tried to winnow away Kellehrt’s secrets with that knife-edged smile and tattoo-slashed eyes and Kellehrt could still only see Riggs, dead, mob violence, of course, as though it had not come from one of them or several of them, as though the same dark seed that grew in his father’s heart and had grown into a bloody harvest that day at the village square he had not been there he had been in Luthadel but he imagined he had been there and not in the cramped confines of his shop making, as ways, nails and doing his utmost even though it was only a mote of dust in the light to keep the world together at the joints nail after nail after nail hammer tapping groove into metal as his father’s axe hewed stroke after stroke into the villagers of Tyrian Falls and sometimes Kellehrt feared it was a dark madness, a terrible inheritance that lay sleeping in himself no matter how much he inspected himself for temper or anger or ill-will towards his fellow villagers he could not be certain nothing of his father was in him when he owed everything to his father and to his mother and those long hours in the village forge learning the ways of metal tapping grooves into nails for carpentry and horseshoes and lord Loenthal’s household and ploughshares and sickles and hammers and tools and the things that made and held the world together like the chain of sons and daughters down from generations of smiths in Tyrian Falls and sometimes working late in his father’s forge wiping the sweat from his skin in the dull heat of the furnace spreading through the air pressure on his skin he felt the weight of the generations and the expectations that Kellehrt son of Athan would be the blacksmith in Tyrian Falls like Athan son of Farkas and Farkas son of Tarvin and so on and so on and so on in an unbroken lineage of flame and steel and sweat and nails, always nails, the village ran on nails and Dyring depended on them there was always some part of the inn that needed repairing or bands for casks or latches or firegrates or pokers or horsehoes, there was always work for a blacksmith in Tyrian Falls but Kellehrt had left, had gone to Luthadel where he met Wark in the forge there and everything started to happen one after another and maybe he was thinking of this now because Loenthal had taken Henry away to protect him but you couldn’t protect anyway, you never saved anyone salvation was always temporary and this wasn’t Warmmha’s voice and Kellehrt didn’t know who was whispering perhaps it was his own bleak despair he’d taken her in and hid her from the mob screaming that she was a collaborator cuts on her stubbled scalp from where they’d dragged the knife roughly across skin and locks both as though all dignity had to be surrendered i didn’t do it, she said you can’t let them do this, and he didn’t know if that was Warmmha speaking or maybe it was her, the voices blended together after a while in memory but he remembered Warmmha with clarity gazing into a glory of sapphire light, always light Warmmha, saying, you can’t let them do this, someone has to stop them from hurting her from tearing the world apart the way his father cleaved a scarlet swathe drying dull cracked brown through the village square that day he imagined the sky must have been a leaden grey the way it always was an otherwise unremarkable day if his father hadn’t done it, hadn’t they always say they didn’t do it, says Wark, flicking ash away from his shirt, really Kel you should know better by now and maybe he did, but he saved her anyway because someone had to, or maybe because he wanted to prove to himself that there was something good in the world, that some shred of decency was left, and how sad was it if you were looking to another for proof that the world was still beautiful she left having stolen emptied out the contents of the forge safe you fool, Wark said, shaking his head slowly he found her floating in the canal the day after the boxings already stolen and felt grief like a sharp splinter through every fibre of his being every nerve every muscle it wasn’t love but it was a patient kindness that he felt that day that gazed upon both worm and grass both woman and boy and said you are beautiful and you are enough and your existence matters even in the eyes of God, in the gaze of the universe he saved her anyway, or he thought he’d saved her, but salvation was only ever always temporary did you presume, did you dare presume to know the way the future was woven into warp and weft of the present silken threads twining here and parting there futile to try but he had to, for the sake of the grass and the worm and the red sun hanging sullenly in the sky and for the tears and the hatred and the way she’d stumbled into his forge terrified and he couldn’t stand there and do nothing sometimes you had to try to salvage the tapestry you can’t save everybody, says Wark, and it’s not your job to try

Except that there's a lot of resistance now, isn't there? Funny what you all told me isn't it? How many people kept telling me I can't use the unopposed reasoning to exonerate Cham because of LG82 and new meta? Why does it feel like it is being conveniently dropped here at the eleventh hour when Ig is endangered? Which is it?

i shouldn't be here but Iguana ty Gorilla doesn't seem to be in Elim meta. & I am not committed to D1 V/V/V. This is the best I can do.