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  1. Quartz Zebra
    If the elims have anyone gathering intel on First of the Sun, it must be Gecko. The other two people there haven't been in the doc.
  2. Quartz Zebra
    I'm going to once again request that Prudence not create any of the requested PMs with me.
  3. Quartz Zebra
    Doesn't that make a retraction more suspicious? And contribution =/= village.
  4. Quartz Zebra
    Isn’t Elephant also an obvious target? Taken at face value, a last-minute vote retraction is pretty suspicious when an elim with a strong role is involved.
  5. Quartz Zebra
    Yeah, you aren't supposed to edit votes into posts unless the post is the last one. Mouse posted while I was editing in my analysis, so I figured to be safe I'd put it in a separate post as well.
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    I was in the middle of editing my last post, since everyone was chilling all quiet-like, and then Mouse showed up instead of the Storm that I had calculated, so I'm putting my vote on Elephant here as well.
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    Vote is coming following analysis sometime in the next hour or two. An unplanned Highstorm (blasted things can’t seem to keep to a schedule these days) has delayed my rereading of the thread. Also my first vote last cycle was random, the thing about requesting from shards was to do with PM requests. Edit: Votes on Croc, in order: 1. Elephant, later retracted 2. Lion 3. Axolotl 4. Flamingo 5. Vulture 6. Kangaroo So if I was going to vote on Croc as an elim, I probably would do it as Elephant (first vote is safe), or Flamingo/Vulture as a bus. Probably Lion and Kanga are village. I find Flamigo's comment about talking about D1 votes to be suspicious. Doesn't help the village at all to say something like that. The Elephant late retraction is also very suspicious. I also find it interesting that Croc voted Kanga, and then all of a sudden Kanga was the only counter-train anyone considered. Makes me think an elim voted on Kanga after Croc Other things of note: Mouse and Scorp both changed votes but didn't contribute to either major train. I'm guilty of this as well, although I thought at the time I was proposing an alternate train, and had missed that Axolotl had moved onto Croc.
  8. Quartz Zebra
    In point of fact, Araris pointed out one of Ventyl’s posts on D2 as suspicious, and maintained that read up though the lynch. I think Ventyl was only less active the day he was lynched, and he had the strongest role in the game (plus a protection role, which got passed to a villager). I’d say that elims would generally be more comfortable with a D1 bus than with killing off their strongest role, and based on his last 3 LGs, Araris would have been totally fine with a bus here. Also, it appears my correction of my incorrect calculations was incorrect, since I missed a vote change somewhere last cycle, and went to bed before I realized. Guess highstorms will happed independent of Gorilla dying, for better or worse. I’ll probably hold off on figuring out my suspicions until the Day turn, so that if I die then I don’t need to, and the elims won’t know if I am on to something when choosing their kills. I’d also like to request Prudence to not put me in any PMs . And I predict there will be highstorms on Roshar, Scadrial, and Braize this cycle.
  9. Quartz Zebra
    I’ll move my vote from Penguin to Gorilla. I did some recalculations based on the position of Braize, the number of Nightmaws on Patji (don’t ask), and the angular momentum of the Everstorm. Unfortunately, my results show that the next highstorm will occur 3 days after the death of Gorilla. In the interests of saving the Rosharan ecosystem, Gorilla must die. Something about agreeing with the other vote on Gorilla and wanting more options.
  10. Quartz Zebra
    I predict a Highstorm will strike down Penguin at the end of this cycle, for making such demands of the Shards.
  11. Quartz Zebra
    For RP, I’ll be Sophos, a Bad Stormwarden. After all, there should have been a Highstorm about six minutes ago.
  12. Quartz Zebra
    After discussion with my faction we’ve decided to keep the exact details to ourselves, unless something huge comes up that we positively have to address. As most of our faction is outed, keeping our win condition close to our chest is one of the few advantages we have. I feel like we’ve already given the thread plenty of details to piece at least some of it together, as I said earlier. As for N3 more specifically, at that point there was still discussion about whether or not we should start spamming Voidbringers, hide on Scadrial and try to rush out Last Faction Standing before anyone fully realised what was going on. When we saw Penguin had been killed, we were still having this debate, so we ended up not Returning them immediately, though we did eventually decide (accelerated by the whole situation with Axolotl) to fully commit to our faction specific wincon and begin Returning to make alliances, despite it impairing the Last Faction Standing wincon (which still looked plausible then, with our faction unblemished). After talking with the GMs, there does appear to be a way we can win this cycle, though that’s technically been true, if highly improbable, in every other cycle. (The nature of our wincon creates this situation, a theoretically feasible but difficult gamestate to reach that we’re constantly striving for.)
  13. Quartz Zebra
    Hey guys, sorry I didn’t respond to the thread earlier today, work kept me very busy and I couldn’t really get on the Shard. As half the game knows it, and the other half might as well since I’m losing this game in the next sixty hours, I am a Steward of Creation. All previously outed Stewards can easily vouch for me. There’s been a lot of speculation about our win condition. It’s true we hold Endowment, and that we’ve been Returning players from a variety of factions. However, as has been said before (albeit privately (and now publicly by Mouse, I see)), we do not win by Returning five people from different factions. Such a win condition would be both easy and boring, as there’d be nothing anybody could really do to stop it. Also, I’d like to point out that Penguin was dead N3, and we Returned nobody. If our special win condition was to start Returning people, would we wait? We’d really just hoped to maintain peace with most of the factions until we tried for a grab at Odium C4/5, before we decided to just Return a bunch of people instead to avoid making enemies in the aftermath of that whole incident. You can judge for yourselves how well that worked out for us. So yeah, the Returned we made were peace offerings, as well as opportunities and second chances for those we felt were unjustly killed. A win condition of ours that is real, meanwhile, is called “Endowed and Oathbound,” one reason we wanted Odium, as it involves planetary and Investment roles, and benefits from having mostly alive factions (another reason we’re Returning). Getting our hands on more Shards would have helped achieve this sooner, as would getting people with unique roles in different factions. You can probably guess a rough outline of the win condition from this, but as we’re likely not going to achieve it, I don’t particularly mind. As I’ve exposed essentially everything at this point, I’d appreciate it if my faction could stop being targeted out of sheer paranoia? I fully understand the suspicion around the Returned, but we’ve been fully honest (except perhaps for Mouse’s trolling) with the thread, and it’s a little annoying to be targeted out of the blue like this. Any of my factionmates can vouch for the above.
  14. Quartz Zebra
    Unless he’s protected by Devotion and his survival will end the game, Tuatara. Your failure to keep your word is saddening, and even if this is the final Day turn, it seems fitting to punish a traitor as the last communal act in the final Shardic War. Goodbye.
  15. Quartz Zebra
    The Tuatara lynch looks as though it’s going nowhere fast. As such, since I’ve got no better ideas, Weasel. And ninja’d by Dragonfly. Do we want to execute a Weasel lynch now that we know it will succeed?
  16. Quartz Zebra
    I’m slightly confused. Do you mean Weasel, not Mouse? Mouse wasn’t lynched D2, and I don’t think the Stewards are the same as GLaDOS, given that the “Steward” group seemed to defend Axolotl and the GLaDOS group, from what we know of them, voted against him. Also, I’m curious how you’d orchestrate protection on a player when your Shards are Devotion and Ruin, neither of which can save anybody (except for Devotion saving people from the lynch).
  17. Quartz Zebra
    That...makes sense, and I see no reason to kill Toucan at this point. Tuatara. I think I trust the Garden with Odium far more than the Cloud. Especially given that the Cloud now has three Shards to the Garden’s one. If the Cloud wanted peace, they should not have tried to Shatter Devotion with Odium, which was presumably their intent, given Dragonfly’s earlier comment. As for Toucan, @Azure Mouse, there’s no reason to kill a non-hostile neutral, they likely wouldn’t die anyway, and though I voted on them thinking they were a liar earlier, in my opinion Albatross hasn’t been specific enough to refute their most recent claim.
  18. Quartz Zebra
    While I’m certainly interested in seeing if Tuatara actually is Odium, I’m more interested by Toucan at the moment. It seems my first guess as to what he was doing was correct; he was trying to be dismissed as a mere neutral, stay below the radar after a flurry of initial attention, and work quietly towards his faction’s goals.
  19. Quartz Zebra
    What the heck just happened. Okay. Clearly if I sleep then everything will happen in-thread. So the best solution is just not to sleep, obviously. That was...really interesting. I’d concur that the Stewards are less likely to hold Odium than Joe Cloud, but...I guess I’m still wondering how this entire war got sparked, and I’m not sure if I should blame Axolotl, Dragonfly or Crocodile here (as they seemed to be the main players). Also, with two factions basically in the open, and a third nearly so (Garden), Utility Company and Devotion’s team are currently the best situated right now.
  20. Quartz Zebra
    Just FYI, according to my Cultivation PM both Iguana and Flamingo are in contact with Weasel. Do with that information what you will. I’m currently leaning towards the Ancients not existing, as has been pointed out earlier. As passing Shards comes after the lynch (I think) there would be no way for Odium to revert to Mouse. I’m looking specifically at this post of Joe’s, when Heron asks Joe what happens if a Shard was killed as the last member of their faction: Previous holder of the Shard is first; Lion is dead, and therefore no longer in consideration. Shared alignment is the second criterion, which means that a Hidden Garden member currently has the Shard, unless I’ve misread the rules here. Penguin, however, has claimed rather assertively that they don’t have the Shard. I’m struggling with explanations, so any help on this would be appreciated. Also, Charcoal Hyena, as they were also in the Sel doc, and could potentially be Mouse’s “contact.” Though I’m not sure why association with Axolotl is now a crime, Hyena is an impediment to my goals of a free PM with another player, is part of a faction that might have Odium, and is most importantly not in my faction.
  21. Quartz Zebra
    Alright, a few points: 1) Sorry I’ve not been as active of lately. I’ve been generally busy and tired, and haven’t really carved out enough time to make a detailed post until now. 2) I get the idea that people don’t like it when Odium kills, but...isn’t it a bit necessary to advance the game? I mean, as Endowment seems fine with Returning, and since a lot of kill Shards are exhibiting remarkable restraint, something beyond the lynch needs to be progressing the game. Obviously letting a faction hold it for too long could be problematic, but I don’t see an Odium that’s killing as the great threat it’s been made out to be. Just another variable to have to cope with. 3) Joe, and Azure Mouse. I’d like more specific details as to the claims surrounding Mouse PMing Axolotl for Odium, and would like a resolution if possible. @Oxblood Beagle @Azure Mouse Care to enlighten us with details?
  22. Quartz Zebra
    Shoot I have four minutes to vote, according to Joe, so he gets it for forcing me to rush out a post. (A more serious post to follow upon catching up with the thread)
  23. Quartz Zebra
    Huh, no more Eyes of Trell. Is that intentional @A Joe in the Bush @Seonid? ...whichever faction killed Gecko, I’m a little bit annoyed with them right now. He was speaking a lot of sense, and I was enjoying the RP. If Endowment is feeling humanitarian, they could Return him. But it seems they’ve Returned Scorpion, who’s said basically nothing all game. Huh. @Emerald Falcon, have you received Odium?
  24. Quartz Zebra
    Umm, at what point did I say this? I’ll go a step further and say that Survival is not in my faction, and that I hadn’t thought about the possibility of it existing since C1 when Toucan claimed. Just to reiterate what Taupe and I have been saying for a good while, but there is a very clear contradiction between Axolotl’s claims and the posts made by his presumed allies, Dragonfly and Heron, who both let slip that he likely controls Odium and has a secret role. Whether or not he actually is any of these things (I’d wager my house that he is at the very least a secret role, and the phone I’m typing this on that he holds Odium), either Axolotl or his allies are lying to advance their goals. Also, the whole Garden/Ruin alliance sounds like a conspiracy theory, and even so I’m not entirely sure where the trouble lies. We know at least one member of each faction to target with kills/lynches if they do actually get out of hand, and there are enough redirects, protects and cancellation to negate or diminish the kill roles. Meanwhile, an alliance that does exist is the one between the current holder of a Shard-stealing Odium and one or two other factions clearly intending to eventually use the Shard’s power. That’s a far more immediate threat.
  25. Quartz Zebra
    He has apparently claimed it himself, as Dragonfly, who looks to have allied with Axolotl to gain Odium (as evidenced by their vote), let that slip. And so has Heron, looking back at things. So by the admission of two people who are presumably allied with Axolotl, he definitely has Odium.
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