Emerald Falcon

Just saying, btw I'd appreciate the coinshot PMing me, letting me know that they're going to kill me tonight

if you don't kill me you just futher the Elims wincon.

Also there are 6 misexes left probably somewhere about there, but really just 3, and 3 vig shots left. I think it's safe to operate under the assumption of a 7 person team. Just be careful with the coinshot kill as we get close to the end, depending on how late it's used it minimizes the amount of executions we get.

2 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

Is it so wrong that I thought Falcon is Spiked and did not think that Hyena was Spiked at first?

Wow, now that would have been one hell of a gambit :P.

1 hour ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

PMs about rolephishing seemed targeted and I wonder now if they were designed to take some pressure of Hyena.

Ftr I do think the seeked person should be outed perhaps D5/N5 . We're going onto D5 with not bad leads, Kat's reads list aligns with my own for the most part, even if I'd move Elephant down and Zebra up some. Not outing them risks the chance of the Elims hitting them on accident and losing them.

22 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

so my qn is, if u flip vil, was cham trying to massage or shape public opinion about u?

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12 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

hmmm also begets the question as to why hyena chose falcon particularly to tie themselves to. if falcon is vil, then falcon as gambit target seems extremely random. 

tbh all i can think of is like

if he thought that i would be potentially village read? because there's nothing about my identity even if he guessed who people seem to think I am, that would make me specifically a target above other people /shrug. someone who he thought would be village read and wasn't salmon or amber or whatnot

even though that line doesn't make any sense either so

yeah idk

I'll go double check in the elim doc ig brb

Just now, Salmon Meerkat said:

the questions i want to answer - is it targeted?

Smh bro u can just ask 

I was hoping cham was the riot and I just wanted 2 know who it wuz

Then Axl claimed and everything was pointless 

1 minute ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

wow

cham sending a message 2 u abt u phishing his role

who'd have thunk

Smh hey you're the one who asked I'm just being helpful here 

6 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

Has anyone else received a PM from Cham about Falcon trying to phish his role? If so, can you please sound out in thread

I mean if I'm completely honest here I did recieve a message about that yeah

I'm going to start off by saying I don't want to waste a cycle tomorrow discussing me, so I won't be self protecting tonight. Whether the coinshot wants to believe that I won't protect myself or not, or whether the coinshot believes I'm an Elim or not, that they should shoot me tonight. 

Wasting 24 hours talking about how I'm an Elim isn't as useless as wasting 72. 

3 minutes ago, Charcoal Hyena said:

Maybe I should have used a different text color for my openwolfing. Didn't even think about the voting thing. RIP.

Hey at least your first choice wasnt blue because you forgot about oog text being blue and then the mod was like wow u rly believe these reads huh...

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1 minute ago, Quartz Zebra said:

 

actually i think he's now voting for "our real mistborn"

HURRY everyone else unvote this might work!!!

Just now, Quartz Zebra said:

ah so it isn't

if zebra is an elim here then so am i because

i can't imagine any of these posts coming from anything but uninformed villager at all

i called gorilla and zebra town for the same thing but i called gorilla more defensive so I'm going to call that just obviously god tier skills that i just didn't pick up on

I'm shawn but i need a gus and I don't have one ;-;;

I feel like salmon might appreciate getting NKd a little more than he normally does

and if he doesn't think so then he's wrong

also you couldn't have killed either of them until you were about to die because you'd be the last left and it'd get suspicious

anyways

1 minute ago, Quartz Zebra said:

seems like pretty obvious bait to waste a CS action on a pointless double tap, but i guess it is technically a possibility. 

the coinshot also doesn't matter because this isnt' a QF or MR

they can decide tonight if hyena is still alive /shrug

2 minutes ago, Charcoal Hyena said:

I also didn't roll Lurcher N2. I put in the kill on Octopus when I meant to kill Ostrich. Dang these confusing color/animal names.

man, lying to the people is mean after all this truth smh

we all know you meant to kill salmon and accidentally typed scarlet smh

3 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

fine i lied i'm bad at maths

:eyes:

if you were archer, I'd be worried about now.... :P.

9 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

Yeah it’s called pocketing >:}

Look I'm not so into labels-

1 minute ago, Coral Swan said:

Doing the quick maths, there is a 0/29 chance that Hyena survives if we exe him today

I don't believe it

lies

1 minute ago, Quartz Zebra said:

should we entertain the idea of maybe letting a coinshot take out hyena and using this cycle to exe someone else?

lol

no

The real elims are the friends we made along the way

Just now, Charcoal Hyena said:

You're making it very hard for me to save you, friend

wait wait wait, I thought that was the goal? :P.

1 minute ago, Charcoal Hyena said:

Right??? But we probably don't have a clear vision of things, given we're the ones on the chopping block.

I mean, we're the elims here? so like, we have the clearest view of things smh. People should listen to us more tbh.

1 minute ago, Charcoal Hyena said:

You nailed it. Unfortunately, no one will believe you. RIP Village Lurcher.

Yep that's me

definitely village

definitely lurcher

both of those things yeah

1 minute ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

I think they meant last turn+the first half of this turn 

i think people are forgetting that hyena isn't dead yet, and it's day :P. 

so if the question is... "why didn't i talk about this when hyena was a topic"

the answer is...

I did :P.

Just now, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

The thing is you didn't mention none of this last cycle, when they because the subject of discussion. None of your doubts or distrusts or any of such kind. Keeping it close to your chest is okay, but once they become the topic of the elimination, surely you'd feel compelled to reveal these doubts? You even defended them at some points. 

Sorry, Last cycle? when we. killed gorilla?

Also I believe that Hyena expected to die earlier on. If they didn't I'd expect more content in our PM, but they simply didn't engage with me on a number of things which makes me think that they weren't expecting to live long, and were worried about info.

Just now, Chartreuse Penguin said:

Suppose I’m elim () and you are village. Why lie about this?  

suppose you're the elim mistborn claiming lurcher and I'm the villager trying to make an ikyk about my protection? why lie?

1 hour ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

1. Falcon is better than to blindly believe someone who scanned them is village. There is no progression of Falcon's trust on Hyena at all.

The first thing I'd like you to do is throw out the "Falcon is better" bit.

Now we can continue on.

And yet it's not like i just, put them in my village reads...and let them sit there? I wanted to keep most of my suspicions about them out of thread, but I do think I mentioned some directly to them :P. mostly to Kat though. nothing specific about the fact he claimed to have scanned me, which i think is an important point to point out. If I was trying to get village cred off of this I would have told anyone. I thought about telling Kat a few times but I didn't trust him enough. In PMs i was talking freely though with Kat so I think that it woudn't have seemed out of character for me to tell him.

Kat is afk for the moment so it's not like he can answer these things, and what's annoying is if he gets a pinch hitter then they won't be able to confirm these things and wont have access to the PM. But Yeah.

I mentioned my paranoia of Hyena pocketing me early on, then continued to bring it up, I don't know the exacts but I mentioned vague things and once hyena claimed to Kat, i brought things up in detail that made me concerned about hyena. Such /as/ the lurching me when he told me he always lurched himself, and we even talked about how he plays like that and I don't

1 hour ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

2. If I was a Lurcher and an alignment-unknown Mistborn claimed to have scanned me as Lurcher, my first thought would be to protect myself because there's a possibility that the Mistborn could be an elim. Here, she has no concerns for personal safety and Lurches Azure instead.

First of all, you insist you know who I am, and then proceed to make a judgement on me based on what /you'd/ do? You should know better. First of all I thought my stance on what i view is the best lurcher play was pretty out in the open, with how I've reacted to various other people talking about how they purely protect themselves all the time. I don't like that, I don't play like that. If I thought i was in danger then I'd protect myself, but it's too blatant of a play and if Hyena was evil then he probably assumes either i trust him, or there's no point in killing me when something like this *gestures* would happen, because I'm pretty convinced it wouldn't have mattered how I played, but purely because he claimed to scan me is enough to get me eliminated.

1 hour ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

Furthermore she believes in the alignment-unknown Mistborn's claim to protect here, which not withstanding the weirdness Penguin mentioned ["Lurching the Lurcher" as opposed to Lurcher Lurching self and Hyena going for someone else], the sheer lack of concern for personal safety is baffling here, because all things points to Falcon believing alignment-unknown Hyena's words to protect her.

Again, as i mentioned earlier.

Falcon: who do you suppose I should lurch? I'm thinking about lurching myself but i kinda wanna lurch penguin
Hyena: Idk, i don't know how to think abt that, I'll lurch you and you can lurch someone else

perhaps there was more messages there but like /shrug that's the gist of it.

calling me out for "lack of personal safety" imo while supposedly knowing who i am is also pretty funny.

I had actually intended to drop a "hyena" in my PM with Kat right before rollover, but I didn't because I was at work at the time and missed rollover.

1 hour ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

Players who have played Mat's Lord Ruler [MR46?] game will remember Falcon wanting to vote out Aman during D1, but ended up getting voted out because she did not want to vote on a returned player, and then Aman flipped elim and she regretted that decision quite badly. Such a player would be very wary of Aman's Seeker claim and would be very cautious of trusting them.

And, as I said, I was. I was cautious, and I didn't fully trust them.

I didn't say so in thread because
 - Didn't want to out them as the mistborn if they were Village
 - Didn't want to make them think I didn't trust them if they were an Elim

Imo i wanted to play the best of both worlds.
Even looking at my supposed behavior in that game should be enough to see where your argument is flawed, no? Specifically how Illwei never trusted him, just dissaproved of the fact that he was getting killed D1 exed when in a normal situation any other returning member would get a pass, and he didn't because people were scared of him. I'm not going to base all my actions on Paranoia. If you look at that game you should see that the main problem Illwei had after dying wasn't the pure fact that Aman was an Elim, but how he went inactive after D1.

1 hour ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

Players who have played the last Tyrian game [LG74] will remember Falcon was a member of the evil team whose primary tactic was to get trusted by villagers by using the Seeker scan on them, mainly by Seeker!Fifth. Now, as an elim who has won using that tactic, v!Falcon be naturally more cautious to similar Seeker attempts made against her to dupe her in the process. But here, we see no such alarmness or doubt against this move. No suspicion at all against the Seeker claim, which - especially from the context of being on the LG74 evil team - is very very weird. 

Again, whether I am Illwei or not, I don't play by paranoia. /shrug. We specifically used that to kill someone, and, well. I'm not dead. if he was going to kill me then he would have just killed me. maybe claimed and learned that I don't protect myself but even doing that before killing me opens it up for me to let people know through PMs that someone claimedm mistborn to me. But he doesn't know me, he doesn't know how I'd act.

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24 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

See but in our PM you left this piece out, and when I asked why you didn’t lurch yourself you explicitly said that you don’t like lurching yourself unless you’re in very real danger. 

amazing how we lie about things to people we don't trust, isn't it?

2 hours ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

Cuz first, their actions don’t seem to add up. While Hyena was still pretending to be village, he claimed to have rolled Iron N2, which he used to Lurch Falcon, whom he had previously scanned as a village Lurcher. Falcon has now publicly claimed Lurcher, and apparently forgot to submit an action N1. Hyena chose to Lurch the Lurcher who could’ve easily lurched themself. Of course, with Hyena’s E alignment we can argue that he didn’t Lurch Falcon at all, but v!Falcon should’ve called Hyena out on this odd choice of an action. I brought this up with Falcon in our PM but their response didn’t lessen my suspicions so I am bringing it to the thread now. Their choice to protect Azure Mouse N2 doesn’t really make a ton of sense to me either - in our PM they claim to have done it because they anticipated a low-info kill from the elims. However, purely for the fact that Meerkat had briefly voted on Mouse during D2, NKing Mouse is not as low-info as, say, NKing Elephant, Plum or Ivory would’ve been. (Mouse would have been a decent v!coinshot kill though, suggesting falcon/mouse e/e but that’s reaching, let’s approach one possibility at a time). 

You're trying to read me off of...something Hyena themselves claimed lmfao

At the beginning of the night i mentioned possibly protecting myself, to which hyena said they'd do so I could protect whoever because they didn't want to think about who. I don't see what's strange about that honestly. i then told them I'd be protecting you probably. then i looked at the list of people who had posted anything more than 0 posts and chose one at random

lol

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