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@CadCom TL;DR I am the Fourth Bridge. If that means you don't trust me, so be it. I think that Drake deliberately wanted to convince you of a few things when he made that post: 1a. The village has no chance of winning 2a. I don't deserve to win 3a. You don't deserve to win/it would be 'wrong' for you to try to win. 4a. The elims deserve to win. I've tried to convince you of a few things myself: 1b. Drake had incentive to get you to believe all of those things, regardless of whether or not he believed them 2b. Drake's post was designed to convince you of those things without you realizing it. 3b. You still have a chance to win. (I do think you deserve it, for what it's worth. You were the only one to vote Drake, after all.) 4b. I deserve to win (more than the elims) #1b I hope should be self-evident if you believe Drake is trying to win; #2b is what the big post was all about. #3b I can't provide any evidence for, since I'm not an elim, so you'll have to decide whether or not that is true on your own. #4b I'm obviously biased on so you'll have to decide that one on your own too. All I can ask is that you don't take the eliminators' comments at face value without seriously considering them. If you really do come to conclusions 1-4a on your own and are certain you haven't been unduly influenced by the elims, I think I can be happy with that. As a final note, if you're wondering if and how any particular statement I've made was meant to influence you, just ask. I'll tell you (if I wake up in time XP) I want you to make your decision as face-up as possible.

Notes on Drake's posts post the large-post: This post serves to support the idea that the large post was genuine (i.e. not intentionally/deceptively manipulative) The crux of the issue is that the village simply cannot trust any statement of the elims that they will side with the FB in this scenario... since the elims saying anything else would be directly against their win-con. Here Drake creates a straw man argument, i.e. putting an argument in my mouth. It is late, though, so I suppose I'll have to forgive this logical fallacy. Undoubtedly I've made one or two myself I had a big RP segment planned but I have to wake up in three hours so... I don't think that's happening.

Yes, but I think CadCom's only made up his mind because of what Drake said, and I don't think that Drake is being genuine here. It doesn't sit right with me. And to be honest, I'm not ready to give up. I won't be, not until the Aftermath goes up. But I get the "something running out". I'm glad there's not a game starting right after this one because I definitely would not be able to play it. I just finished the post I've been working on for the past 2-3 hours... looks like it merged. Drake's Post I'm assuming the reason you (@CadCom) changed your mind is because of Drake's post. If not, I'm about to look pretty stupid. :P. My goal is to enumerate the various ways in which Drake's post manipulates the reader. Some of this manipulation may have been unintentional; I suspect much of it was intentional. Some of this manipulation may be benign; I suspect parts of it are malicious. My opinion is that the more you understand about the techniques used, the more sure you will be about whatever decision you end up making. As a final note before I get into the post; Drake is still playing the game. He still wants to win, and thinks that his post will make it more likely he does. Would he post it otherwise? With this, Drake is saying that he will choose to let me win if given the chance. With this, Drake is throwing shade on my character. Put together with the point above, Drake has opened his post with the following two arguments: 1. The village has no hope of winning. 2. I (the FB) do not deserve to win. If Drake can convince one villager that the above two statements are true, he wins. Because of this, I am confident in saying that this section was not actually directed towards me, despite me being tagged. This section is meant to engender sympathy for Drake. Here Drake brings up knowledge that he received from Kas. This serves a dual purpose: first of all, to support the point he is trying to make at the moment (that he didn't betray Ash) and to introduce the idea of GM information. This will be important later. It's also possible that this statement serves a third purpose: setting himself up as having saved me, (potentially as a way to paint himself more worthy than me?) It's even possible that he fabricated this piece of evidence entirely. (I might be totally off the rails with this, but it wouldn't surprise me, either.) With this, Drake is downplaying his involvement in the Lieutenant situation in an attempt to convince Ashbringer to side with him. -Never mind. I suppose I must have been wrong about that; clearly Drake isn't trying to convince Ash of anything.- ...Turns out you can't strikethrough on mobile. Oh well. On a more serious note, the purpose of saying this is to attempt to subconsciously influence the reader to consider the writer trustworthy/genuine. This is not true. I was not trying to pretend to be a villager at any point after you voted for Ashbringer the first time. Again, Drake brings up Kas. Again, this will be important later. The main purpose of this whole section is to present Drake as someone who is being helpful to the village. Drake is emphasizing how close the elims are to victory. Drake brings up the poisoning to further emphasize the power of the elims. It is of note that the poisoning is irrelevant to the game state going forwards. Drake is downplaying the possibility of the elims self-shooting in two ways here: first, by implying that it is not "playing the game at face value", and second, implying that he wouldn't have thought of it. -Whether or not this is true is left as an exercise to the reader.- Refer back to the first part of the post for a reminder of why Drake needs the village to believe this. In addition, Drake is making the argument here that the elims shooting themself is not "face value gameplay" while the village *not* voting out a confirmed elim *is*. He is very careful not to phrase it like that, however, as that would make it more likely for the reader to see it as a contradiction. Once again, bringing up Kas. We're almost there. -Dang, and I was feeling so offended, too.- Finally, he says it right out. By not leading with this, however, he has conditioned the reader to accept the statement as fact. Furthermore, by emphasizing that the village are the kingmakers and that choosing to vote out an elim makes the elims kingmakers, Drake paints this course of action as "giving up power." Here Drake is trying to convince the village that they deserve to lose. Drake once again affirming that he will not give the village the win. Again, see point 1 on why Drake is incentivized to have the village believe this. At last, we are here! I would like to preface this section with the disclaimer that I am not going to comment on Kas's decision to make the post, and will not really consider Drake's objections as legitimate. To the extent that they are, there is a time and place to deal with them; that time is not now. By starting with this, Drake provides a counterbalance to his negative thoughts later. He wants the lower the reader's guard so that they will sympathize with him. Once again, Drake engenders sympathy. Then, by claiming he does not often get angry, he lends more weight to the anger he goes on to express. Drake is naturally cagey about whether or not he is trying to mislead people, for what should be obvious reasons. This parenthetical serves to reinforce the idea that the village cannot win. It also serves to support the claim that Drake is acting in good faith/genuinely... and not "intentionally misleading" anyone. By arguing this, Drake paints himself as the victim of the situation, engendering sympathy for himself and discrediting all other's claims on winning. Drake might also have been trying to discredit Kas's post fundamentally but I won't speak on that out of respect to Araris's post. My thesis: Drake tried to appear innocuous and friendly (as though he wasn't trying to win) while trying very hard to manipulate the village into letting him win. @Ashbringer, what do you think? Am I onto something?

Technically true. But you do still win with him, which means he can 100% trust that you aren't trying to manipulate him in order to win instead of him, which is not true of anyone else in this game. A primary goal of mine at this point is to help CadCom avoid making a decision he regrets. If you back him up on whatever decision he makes, that would go a long way.

I'm the Fourth Bridge. I haven't been trying to hide that fact this cycle, not since you mentioned the fact that the elims could shoot themselves to give the village the win. Granted, I haven't straight up stated it either. That's on me. I'm sorry. I could, and probably should, have been more explicit. I'm going to try to convince you not to let the elims have the win. Technically speaking, that's intentional manipulation, so... 0/2. A terrible start. :P. I can hear the death knells already. I'm going to write two more long posts, or as long as I can manage at any rate. If you take nothing else away from these posts, know that I still truly believe you have a chance to win. I won't lie and say that I wouldn't be happy to win myself, but I would also be quite happy if you won. I don't know what the elims are going to do. I do know that they have a strong incentive to say that they will choose to screw over the village if given the choice, regardless of what their actual convictions are. I'm starting to ramble. I'd better move on to the actual arguments. @Ashbringer I dunno if you want to put in a good word for me, or flame me, or whatever. Either way, you are the only one left that shares Cadcom's alignment, which makes you the only person he can 100% trust.

Cadcom. @CadCom. I am begging you to read Drake's post again. And think to yourself will I regret my decisions if Drake tells me that he deliberately manipulated me? Because he did. 100%. @CadCom I am begging you please respond to me it's past 1 here and I can't go to bed until this is resolved

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Wine bottles shattered against tables and chairs, and the entire room began to burn. Jacks scrambled away from the table in front of him, but there was nowhere to run. Dimly, he realized that some of the alcohol had gotten on his pants legs and was starting to burn. Well. That was going to hurt like Damnation. He pressed the flame against the ground, trying to starve it of air. Air. There was only so much air in here. Was it already becoming more difficult to breathe? The heat certainly made it feel that way. And the smoke was already starting to fill the room. Jacks fumbled for his mask and put it on. It wasn't one of the fancy Soulcaster ones; this one was just an attractor for oxygen. It wouldn't last forever. But maybe it would last long enough. He only had to outlast Relve, after all. He fired a few more shots in Relve's direction, still crackling with a slight heat.

Jacks inched across the room, moving from table to table as quietly as he could manage. Relve's shot thunked into the table beside him. He'd turned his deflector fabrial on, but -of course- it hadn't done anything. There seemed to be no end to how shots could be designed to get around protections. Protections. Relve was hiding behind the counter. Could he be forced out somehow? Jacks eyed the spilled violet on the floor, an idea forming in his head. He reached into the mechanisms of his fabrial, slightly dislodging part of the metal cage. An acquaintance of his had once shown him a trick for temporarily modifying the nature of a division fabrial shot. It made it less physically disruptive- but much, much hotter. The fabrial vibrated in Jacks hands, and just as it reached the point where it seemed ready to shake itself apart, he released the shot. Directly into the cabinet of wines behind the counter.

Jacks pulled his lethal fabrial from his belt and followed Relve's movements with precise shots.

One death. One death, and Jacks would be free of everything. A small price to pay, for some. But he had made an oath. "You've killed my people," Jacks said quietly. "And Damnation take me if I let you kill any more."