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    Lotus (3/4): Matrim, Vapor, Illweix2? Pyro (3): Gears, Lahilt, Lotus Lahilt (2/3): Kasimirx2?, Striker Mint (2): Sart, Araris Illwei (1): Ashbringer Araris (1): TJ Shade Both Pyro and Lotus seem to be acting differently than normal village, though Lotus is also different from QF46 as a non-villager. I kind of want to see if Illwei's dedicated enough to this vote to double it.
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    As in, somebody you PM'd had the same disease you now have and they didn't have many or any PMs with other players? This definitely looked like you were saying Mist was good in the QF, but it does makes more sense if you were referring to Mist being good in this game.
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    So both Pyro and Kas claim to have new diseases and I'm pretty sure they can't be the same one unless the act of vote manipulation has a drawback. Gaining a new disease should have let Pyro know that disease spreading was not hypothetical. Pyro now having a disease without negative inherent side effects apparently hasn't made him more willing to post and PM(to my knowledge). Mint knowing the name of the village team doesn't mean she's village, but I don't know if an elim would try to clear themself like that. For Mint, focusing on vote manipulations is certainly useful and something to be aware of, but she is right that being saved with vote manip doesn't automatically mean that the manipulator and/or the person saved is evil. @TJ Shade, what reasons did you have to vote for Araris other than thinking he was an elim with Illwei? Of the two of them, only Illwei had a vote at that point(on that note, I'm a little concerned that Ash mentioned Mist being good in the last QF when she was on the team Ash had to kill. I can't really see why elim!Ash would be so enthusiastic to go for Illwei as to claim obvious falsehoods, so I guess it's a mistake). I remember Lotus being more willing to vote in previous games than this one, but that may have just been D1 since this turn she's gone from lots of null suspicions and no vote to being willing to vote for solid suspicions. If Lotus is an elim, I'd expect Illwei not to be and put lower odds on Ash being evil, since Lotus could have voted to help either.
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    I don't know why I said kill target. I did mean kill suspect pool. Claim the turn after instead of XX:59:59 the turn of. Kind of risky and probably doesn't make a huge difference, but if say Silber had claimed TJ as a target too late for anyone to change their actions we would know that's why TJ lost his disease. Or anyone who claims to have targeted Sart is most likely a roleblocker. It should generally be worth it for people who have claimed diseases to announce their target the turn after at the latest. People with night actions can use the elim kill if they choose not to use their alternative night action. It's unlikely the elims would do so if there's an alternative, but it's a possibility.
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    TJ said Silber removing his disease also took away his ability, and there's no reason that wouldn't be true since diseases give the power and the drawback. Ashyn's surface was destroyed by the proto-surgebinders, and they built the floating cities to survive. Silence Divine is thousands of years later, when they discover antibiotics that can cure the disease keeping the cities from falling out of the sky. Silber's ability would be an existential threat on Ashyn, but probably not so much in this game. It might mean diseases are more common than they otherwise would be, but I don't think that's incredibly harmful. Pyro claimed a new action, but it might not be a disease. It would be odd for @The Young Pyromancer to speak about spreading disease as a hypothetical if he had a disease where he didn't at the beginning of the game. Apparently, Kas does have a new disease, so I guess there is spread. Claim targets the turn after the actions are submitted? I'm not sure this will be incredibly helpful for narrowing the kill target since people with night actions are less likely to submit kills and people with day actions can use them and the elim kill in the same cycle. Is your/Illwei's ability an optional double vote, is that how it works?
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    @Lord_Silberfarben You were the one who brought it up and proposed a plan that wouldn't immediately get a scanner NK'ed(though still unable to give scans until dead). That certainly doesn't mean you are an alignment scanner, and apparently it doesn't, but it was enough of a possibility that an elim might want you dead just in case. I did forget about that, probably because no alignment scans came out in thread and that role wasn't specifically an alignment scanner. PMs definitely make claims safer if you can find a villager. Any protective roles this game may have will likely possess downsides, though probably not as severe as Mist's. Did you think there would be available protection roles to save claimed and proven scanners, or any role? Why do you think Kasimir specifically wouldn't have voted on himself and changed it in PM if he could?
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    I don't know why elim!Illwei would edit out a statement saying Straw was likely village if TJ was an elim unless one of them was an elim teammate. If one of those two is evil, maybe look at this again, but also we probably wouldn't have known about this if Straw hadn't mentioned it. Voting for suspicions instead of self-preservation while being willing to switch back is a decent sign(instead of coming up with a reason to vote for the top vote competitor), though it's too early to tell. The suspicion of Mist doesn't seem to have a reason though, so it would be easy to switch. I think the only game Ashbringer played in that had an alignment scanner was LG67, where Straw didn't put any in. I still don't really like Ash suggesting alignment scanners should claim. Possibly he meant in PMs, but he didn't respond to me so I'm not sure. That and voting for Silber somewhat read as hoping to hit a real alignment scanner. Mist, I don't really have a good idea about, except suddenly she's tied with Illwei. I'd rather Ash than Mist, I think.
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    I feel like the GMs would have mentioned PMs being open without having to be asked if they were the main mechanic for spreading diseases. There definitely could be a specific disease that spreads through PMs, but that would probably have to be an active choice by the infected rather than a disease that easily reaches everyone. The cities float because of people with a disease that grants levitation abilities. That disease isn't fatal, so probably not all if any of the diseases in this game are fatal. While villager for elim is a good trade, alignment scanner for elim isn't one that's preferable to make. Ideally a scanner would claim to a confirmed villager in PMs, but at the time Silber posted that, we didn't know that was an option(though TJ and Matrim presumably had some idea).
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    Roles do get revealed on death, so we would know whether the 'scans' of someone who claimed alignment scanner were real upon their death. Since PMs are apparently open, there's less reason for any knowledge gathering role to claim in thread. All we know is that there are two teams, but one team being 'the infiltrators' and the other 'the non-infiltrators' suggests that everyone is either one or the other with no independent players/factions.
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    Signing up as Liba, a reclusive astronomer who hasn't spoken in years.
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    The Silber vote doesn't feel good, definitely not all Korathi. There's four votes for Silber, one each for me and Elkanah.
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    I vote late because I keep setting myself up to only be around for the last hour before rollover, (and it looks like that's going to happen again). I didn't really see a vote on Elk to be plausible when there was only one on him and four on Mist, and wasn't too disinterested in voting Matrim. When I saw Matrim post, I thought it would be plausible to switch over to Elk, with the assumption that if Matrim didn't switch my vote made no difference and Mist was going to die anyway. Mist still could be a Practitioner, but I didn't see any strong reason to believe that was the case.
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    That's a lot of vote trains led almost exclusively by confirmed Korathi. All the C2 Ash voters being alive seems suspicious for that reason. Hael being a Korathi makes Sart and Pyro more likely to be Korathi I think, since Hael wouldn't have wanted Jeskeri to die, which puts Elk and Illwei as higher Jeskeri suspects. Elkanah was a decent Practitioner suspect last time, so we'll go with that again.
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    @Matrim's Dice, Matrim, Elkanah?
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    We have guaranteed one Korathi Cultist, which means we have at least two Jeskeri Cultists. The Jeskeri Practitioners then need enough of a buffer that they can't lose majority in one cycle, so at least 5-6 of them. Since the Korathi are going to be dying at close to a 2-1 rate, there should be ~twice as many Korathi as Jeskeri, so seven Practitioners is too many. We need to personally kill Practitioners because so long as the Korathi Cultist is alive, the Jeskeri Cultists would rather die than let the Practitioners get wiped out. Why would I as a JP swing the vote to a Korathi, following the lead of two other people I would have known were Korathi? I really don't see the KC!Mint taking such a blatant anti-cultist stance in thread. I still suspect Matrim, but his voting pattern doesn't look super much like a JP. It's I think better than Mist, who I don't really see a good reason to vote for. It's too late to vote for Elk, probably.
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    There's definitely more Korathi than that. I initially guessed 13/5/2/1 for a current 7/2/2/1, and wouldn't expect the number of Jeskeri to be any higher than 11/6/3/1 which would mean 5/3/3/1 now. Again, killing Cultists doesn't actually help us win, and no matter how many Practitioners die to the doc vote, we can't win unless the main Inquisition hits at least one Practitioner. That's why your vote on someone you had a Cultist read on was different than Pyro's, he had an option to vote for someone else while you had much less of a choice. Hael only had one vote. Possibly TJ would have switched back to Matrim and maybe that would have worked, I think I would have voted for Matrim had that been an option, but you couldn't know that for sure.
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    Kas(2): Sart, Vapor Hael(1): Drake Vapor(4): Hael, TJ, Kas, Matrim Striker(1): Mist, Devotary So we're voting for Vapor because of opportunistic voting, apparently, and thinking it's better than Kas. I'm not really seeing a reason for JP!Vapor to vote Mint C1 except to save JP!Pyro, which I guess is looking more likely than it was C1. Lotus did put Pyro in the vote lead C1, but I guess it was early enough for that not to be immediately fatal. If Lotus/Pyro were both JP though, I don't know why Lotus would have died since voting for a doc member is much more a JP strategy than a JC one. Pyro voting for Ash as a more likely Cultist is a bad look, although Kas is currently doing the same(though not quite since the votes weren't as close). There's no way Pyro claims Cultist to Hael if they're both in the Jeskeri doc. That says little about Hael's alignment if Pyro is Korathi though. This took way too long again. My vote is meaningless at this point, but I'll poke Striker I guess. He might have broken the tie had he been in a doc with Matrim, but the odds of him not doing so are higher if he's a JP rather than a JC. Korathi Matrim means Striker doesn't care.
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    Okay, okay, that's the explanation. I saw that under the Kasimir header and assumed it was something Kas had said, but Gears being the one to say that makes more sense.
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    I'm at work now so I don't have time to RP or say anything substantial. I'll get on at least once before the cycle ends. I did miss that. So you were not telling the truth when you said Asking Pyro if he'd claimed to anyone else is very much not the same thing as ending the conversation after denying being a cultist. It's just kind of unsettling when two people suddenly vote for the person you were planning on voting for. Ok, but we can't stop the Cultists from killing us. There is no amount of Cultists we can kill that will stop them from killing us because it only takes one Cultist to kill and we lose once they're all dead.
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    Those specific last minute votes, not last minute votes in general. Hmm. Mint didn't read as a Cultist, so I don't actually think you and Vapor are Practitioners. Though Pyro wouldn't really be a great alternative unless you knew he was in the Jeskeri doc. Definitely going to look at TJ again with Lotus being a Practitioner, but I don't know if Practitioner!TJ would have voted in thread and in a doc. I don't like Matrim saying it's 'much preferred' to kill a Cultist over a Korathi, but going after someone who had anti-Cultist sympathies didn't go well the first time. I want to know what's going on with the Pyro-Hael-3rd person PM triangle where Pyro apparently claimed Cultist to Hael, mentioned this fact to X, then X PMd Hael.
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    It was between Pyro, Mint, and Ashbringer for plausible targets. I said why I didn't want to vote for Pyro. Ashbringer was maybe a bit antagonistic towards the Cultists, but I didn't get a strong sense he actually wanted them dead as opposed to suggesting what the Practitioners would probably do. I voted for Mint mostly because she suggested it could be a good thing for the Jeskeri cultists to die, which seemed like it could be coming from a Practitioner mindset.
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    Much as the Practitioners would like to hit the KC, the odds of them actually accomplishing this are low. This cycle, sure, get the vote close and go for a random swing, but they also want to clear out the Jeskeri doc as quickly as possible. If they actually had a good suspicion it would be reasonable to go for it. At the very least, having more JP alive when they clear the doc makes it easier to false claim KC by bussing a teammate. Pyro (3) - Haelbarde, Lotus, Striker Ashbringer (3) - Elkanah, Mint, TJ Frozen Mint (4) - Matrim, Gears, Vapor, Ashbringer, Devotary TJ (1) - Ashbringer Kasimir (1) - Kasimir (????) Elkanah (1) - Drake Straw (1) - Sart Lotus (1) - TJ Matrim (1) - Straw I don't really see JP!Pyro asking people if they're cultists because it's highly unlikely a Korathi would lie and any actual cultist would know not to say yes. I was going to vote for Mint, but I don't really like the last minute votes. I can't really blame Vapor though since she did the same thing I was going to do, so I'll stick with Frozen Mint.
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    There's no way to stop the Cultists from killing us, so killing them does us no good in this regard. Fewer Cultists probably means they'll be more helpful in catching Practitioners, but it also brings us closer to losing. The Practitioners could probably kill the Korathi Cultist before gaining majority by having one of them claim KC, since we'd have to resolve a dual claim eventually and could get it wrong. It's definitely not in our interest for all the Cultists in the Jeskeri doc to die, but it will happen eventually unless we do a good job hitting Practitioners with the main vote.
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    I'm assuming that the Practitioners will hit themselves at least once, especially with private votes, while fewer Cultist kills due to speeding up the game will be balanced by hitting Korathi with the main Inquisition, but I haven't really done the calculations for that. Wiping out all the Practitioners obviously loses for the Cultists, but only having one Practitioner is also bad for them, and so long as there are at least two Practitioners it's possible for them to accidentally kill one of their own. Maybe there will be enough dead Korathi that the Cultists won't prefer dead Cultists until there's only one Practitioner left, but that wouldn't be for a while. I suppose claiming might be less likely than bussing even though votes placed in the doc can't be trusted, but it has a similar overall effect. Also, it almost looks like you think the Practitioners know who the Korathi Cultist is when that's definitely not the case.
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    Nobody voting in thread doesn't have substantial advantages or disadvantages(other than taking longer) over everybody voting in thread because the game balances itself. It's impossible for the Korathi to win without voting because the Jeskeri Cultists would rather claim in the Jeskeri doc and let themselves get killed rather than let all the Practitioners die. The Cultists would probably aim for 2 Practitioners and as few Korathi as possible surviving the Jeskeri purge and depend on the Korathi Cultist to win. Voting in thread adds more risk/reward potential and is more interesting overall, but is still unlikely to be a runaway for any particular team.
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