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I like the idea of identifying the Broken One as Honor. It would basically be a new theory though, as this one has been thoroughly RShara'd (that's what it's called, right?) with the focus on a fourth shard.

I would agree with this theory, but... https://wob.coppermind.net/events/69-shadows-of-self-release-party/#e5874

Absolutely crazy. I love it.

I can't quite follow your line of thought here. (and yes I do realize I ask you to explain the joke here)

Nalt and Nalthis, to me, don't seem related. Keep in mind that "th" is a different sound from "t"; just one that's depicted in a similar way in English. In Greek, for example, there's tau and theta to denote them. Brandon is aware of this, as the women's script (Alethi) has denotes th different from t. On top of that, an argument can be made for "that's not how language works", plus Nalt does not appear in Trellism, only in Trelagism. And then there's one last thing. We know Warbreaker plays relatively short before Stormlight Archive. I'm not sure how long before, but I do know that it plays shorter before it than any other book in the Cosmere, so it plays after Mistborn Era 1. If I remember correctly from Warbreaker (it's been a while since I read it though) the First Returned appeared some 600 years before the story plays. That would place the First Returned somewhere during the Final Empire, and therefore well after Trelagism.

Very recognizable, as another autist. (I only wish I had the hyperfocus version of autism though; instead I've been cursed with the always distracted version)

In the shredder with the other 90k words Brandon cut out.

Sizable.

And yet, it sometimes seemed as if The Eye of the World was the most important book in such theorycrafting. So let's not give up and tell ourselves "we'll start trying in 20 years from now" but rather take a stab at it with what we have. After all, we're theorizing for fun (I hope...), no need to not theorycraft stuff because we'll be able to do it better later.

So we just have "infinity" instead.

So that means that 1. There's 17 godmetals if you include all of atium, lerasium and harmonium and 2. Godmetals can alloy with each other? Oh man, that makes the numbers so much more ugly.

16 metals. 17 godmetals (don't forget harmonium). Every godmetal has an alloy with every metal. 272 alloys. Assuming godmetals can't alloy with one another, that's 305 combinations. Also that 17 is ugly, so perhaps harmonium is an atium-lerasium alloy? In that case godmetals can alloy with one another, let's assume they can with any other, but no triple or more alloys. In that case, there are 17*8=136 godmetal alloys. Can they alloy with normal metals? If not, there are 256 (note that harmonium, in this case, can't alloy either, as assumed for the 272) pure godmetal-metal alloys plus the 16 normal and 136 godmetal alloys, for 408 alloys. If they can, there are 136*16=2176 alloys metal-godmetal alloys on top of that, for a total of 2584 metals and alloys. (8 metals, 8 normal alloys, 16 godmetals, 136 godmetal-godmetal alloys, 256 metal-godmetal alloys, 2176 godmetal alloy-metal alloys)

You should see the Wheel of Time theorizing. We (well, they, I only showed up in like the last year) had basically everything figured out that was still going to happen, sometimes just from single lines. Of course there were also a lot of theories that were false, but everything that happened in the last book had been theorized.

That's a really good point actually.

A valid theory. Another common one is based on a deathrattle and Dalinar's vision at the end of WoK, and is that Roshar may be completely destroyed at some point.

Wouldn't it make more sense to put this in Cosmere Discussion? Not gonna work: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/96-holiday-signing/#e3194 Where do you have this from? The only thing the coppermind has on it is that it's been theorized to have been used in the shattering (https://coppermind.net/wiki/First_Gem), with a link to this WoB: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/355-idaho-falls-signing/#e10439 Which doesn't really tell us much. In fact, the First Gem isn't even mentioned in this WoB, and arguably the coppermind shouldn't even mention this. It's a theory, but it's gonna be hard to find something that hasn't been theorized.

I think we're going to find ourselves breaking down because we don't know who too root for anymore as we'll be finding the surviving former protagonists fighting each other.

Stormlight/Surgebinding have been altered by Honor for his purposes. In fact, for all we know putting it into gems may be part of that.

White Sand plays approximately a millennium before MB1, right? That would place Trelligism before it, as White Sand then plays around the time the Lord Ruler came to power.

You're getting things confused here, I wasn't talking about the magic at any point. I'm just talking about how Shards can 'break' their own Intent applied to themselves (and only then) in order to apply it to others, and how that extrapolates to Autonomy. Here: On top of that, I also find it hard to understand why Taldain was isolated from the rest of the cosmere by Autonomy unless she wanted to stop worldhopping, so if Autonomy = Trell that is certainly a hint in that direction. I don't see how this is related to Bleeder? I'm saying that there's little reason for a servant of Trell (which that being surely was, as it was recognized as such by Edwarn) to lie to someone who's about to die. Refuse to talk, I could see that, but telling them a lie, not so much.

But nowhere have you properly explained why Autonomy's "avoid interference with mortal lives" no longer applies to Autonomy's own interfering. There is a fundamental difference between the "not applying to self" which you consider to be the same. A Shard, as we know, is not subject to their own Intent; Preservation gives up a little piece of himself to preserve an allomancer's body, to take the most well-known example. This is, as the example makes obvious, to make sure that who they are dealing with is subject to their Intent. And in Autonomy's case, if Autonomy works as you theorize (which I very highly doubt, considering this very contradiction), then making sure that those the Shard is dealing with is subject to the Shard's Intent means not interfering. I wouldn't quite call Trell a foreign invader, as that implies a Worldhopping army. That's semantics though. My point is that it's perfectly possible for Trell - in particular if he were to want a universe without interplanetary interaction - to set up the Set (pun again not intended) without ever telling them there are other inhabited planets; something that he has actually told at least people of the rank of Mr Suit, who we know is not the highest rank. That implies, to me, that Trell is not aiming for isolated planets. As I've previously argued, even Ruin would be able to see well enough into the future to know that, as soon as an Industrial Revolution breaks out, it will not stop until the world is as small as our modern world. There is no way the civilizations weren't going to meet just because the Set (and Trell) would be in control of Northern Scadrial. Even at current technology levels it would be a matter of time; after all, we saw it happen. And yet the setback from the Set (you know what, pun storming intended) was what made Trell change his mind. There's not a hint of talk about Harmony from Trell's servant. The only way you can talk this right is by saying he straight up lied to someone who was about to die in five seconds.

But Adonalsium was a single whole, not a 16-piece Wheel of Intents or something like that. There were no pieces of him before the Shattering, so Autonomy cannot have applied to just a part of himself. And let me, again, quote Bands of Mourning, with different bolding (mine) this time: There's not even a hint of talk about Harmony or it's influence on the people. It's about civilization itself and whether Trell rules it. Also I finished my previous post.

I'm not arguing Autonomy's nature, we already know we disagree about that. I'm just arguing that you're not internally consistent in your argument. If the idea of Autonomy is to protect from self, then the idea of Autonomy remains to protect from self even if the rest is stripped away. Autonomy interferes, which you say is the opposite of what the Autonomy part of Adonalsium would have done. Ruin stayed the same - all things have to pass, it's just not balanced out by 15 other things. Odium stayed the same - divine hatred is still needed, it's just not balanced out by 15 other things. Preservation stayed the same - it still tries to preserve, it's just not balanced out by 15 other things. My point exactly. Clearly, the technological change was not the point, as you've been arguing. I never talked about the blockade. I talked about the cosmere awareness of the people on Autonomy's worlds (under Autonomy's control; serving autonomy) versus the cosmere awareness of those following Trell.

And where, before, do we see the Set trying to stifle technological advance and contain Scadrial? In fact, the Set has some of the most technologically advanced devices we see. Phones, for example. The machinery used by the Vanishers. They were trying to reverse engineer the airships. Knowledge of Southern Scadrian technology didn't make Trell decide that Scadrial should be destroyed. The setback of the Set (no pun intended) and the South and North getting in contact with each other is why Trell now wants to destroy the planet. Clearly it's about controlling the planet, not stopping it from becoming spacefaring. This also comes back to the argument I made in the opening post, how Autonomy's other worlds do not have any cosmere awareness, while it is strongly implied in the Bands of Mourning epilogue that the Set is cosmere aware, at least to a degree where they know that other inhabited worlds exist and that some people - if perhaps not them - have contact with those worlds. But logically, "me" should have either stayed "me" or have become "us". It's about the autonomy of subjects not being influenced by Adonalsium, according to you. Autonomy is, quite literally, part of Adonalsium. There's no reason why there should at once be an exception if the autonomy is breached by Autonomy himself; that would only be the case if the Autonomy part of Adonalsium had as goal to avoid interference from other sources than Adonalsium, which is the exact opposite of what you theorized.

I like it. I could even see Brandon refuse to say anything about Cultivation's name because he wanted to hear someone guess it correctly.