Archer

That would be interesting. I feel like it would favour the elims, but add an element of uncertainty, which would raise the stakes. However, that's not what I envisioned. The village retains their ability to mob once per cycle by group decision. The election merely grants one player a role, which gives that individual the ability to make a single extra kill at some point in the game.

Assuming you meant that underlined text, not the IHD link, yes, that's just a title. And good to know, thank you. I want sure because as far as I can tell no one has run a IHD one yet. I am officially requesting a place on the QF list please. The group votes to kill someone every round. Elims get one secret kill every round as well, except for C1. In C1, the election happens. It's largely a mechanic designed to give people something to talk about in C1, so the reward for winning can be changed if you think it's OP. I figured because voting is secret, the elims have an okay chance of getting one of themselves elected or making it look like they've done that, which could be the basis of a village mobbing of the elected person. The elected person would have to get protection from Elim kills otherwise they'd be an obvious target. Hm. Edit: also the crossbow kill can only be used once

Howdy. Quick question, would running an I Hate Dragons game require a pass? It’s technically not published, merely available Sanderson content: link. I would like to run an IHD game. I figure if I sign up now, by the time I get to make it happen, I’ll be experienced enough not to mess it up. The pitch is that Skip and Master Johnston got eaten by a dragon, leaving the hunting party leaderless. One player [ROLE NAME PENDING - What's this called?] will get to take up the crossbow Johnston dropped when he was being devoured. Everyone is pretty sure that a few other members of the party [the elims] had a knack for attracting dragons, but for some reason, nobody’s coming forward! The best thing to do then is to push people out one-by-one to see if the dragons eat them. If this does need a pass, I’ll re-flavour it as a Legion game, with a similar premise to QF6 when players were aspects. Anyway, the basic, un-flavoured rules are here, I’d welcome any feedback: I Hate Dragons Game (That Needs a Better Title) In this 15-player Quick Fix game, there are three [elims], who have a Google doc. to collaborate in. [Elims] can secretly kill one player at the end of every cycle, except for the first. [Elims] win if they outnumber the [villagers]. [Villagers] win by killing all of the [elims]. At the end of the first cycle, one player will be elected [NAME PENDING]. Votes are cast through GM PMs. The total number of votes each player receives will be revealed in Cycle Two but the identity of each voter will remain secret. The [NAME PENDING] becomes immune to [elim night kills] and is given the ability to kill one individual [because they have the crossbow]. When they submit that action through their GM PM, the result will be revealed at the beginning of the next cycle. All kills will be announced as the type they are. Order of Operations: [NAME PENDING kill], [Village vote], [Elim kill] Players who are inactive for an entire cycle will be given a warning. Players who are inactive for two full cycles will be replaced. Ties will be decided randomly. PMs for this game are closed.

I’m back. To clarify my previous notes: Our best bet for reducing the number of elims is by targeting the most vocal among them. Some of the low-activity people might be elims, but it’s difficult to read them. We can deal with them later because it will be obvious if they suddenly start trying to manipulate the vote. So I’ve attempted to narrow down the player list to who I think has a chance of being an elim. I suspect the four I deemed neutral (because they don’t seem fully elimy) aren’t the exact team, but I believe at least two probably are. Of them, my strongest read in Xino. Then Straw, StrikerEZ, and Snipexe, in that order. Elims want to keep a mid-range profile in terms of activity. It avoids saying enough to attract attention and gut read votes, but positions them well to influence the vote or add votes to the tally subtly. So it’s hard to build credibility by talking a lot. Instead, a common subconscious strategy is to get caught being right. They know who the villagers are, so they are often the most confident defenders of people whose alignments are about to be revealed due to mobbing. (Villagers are always uncertain and wary of pocketing, so they tend to be less bold in defending people.) In this way, Elims gain credibility for being right during the early rounds of the game and can then target people later more easily. Villagers also tend to be less wary of being read as an elim, so they will occasionally make mistakes and get caught being wrong, which in C1, an Elim would rarely do. Straw sent my alarm bells ringing for the quality of their defense of me in C1. Snipexe seemed more Villagey, but they made a very large defense of themselves after that. Xino also supported people who I think are villagers. (Usually elims will support many people at once so they can slip in a support of a fellow elim without being obvious about it). A lot of my reading is then based on timing. As Matrim has mentioned, the rollover trouble messes with that, but I looked at the first 12ish hours so I still think it’s valid. I’m very confident in my opinion that at least one Elim almost always makes one of the first five posts (list expanded this time due to weirdness). And then Xino timed their next post in an Elimy way. Xino also had some odd language about we being at a ‘dire tie’ when they put up vote counts, which is a good way to apply pressure to vote wildly without making an argument. Looking at the posts I didn’t analyze last night, Liranil contributed some decent point when elim!Liranil could have lurked the whole time and probably won. I standby my VILLAGE guess. No real movement on anyone else. Matrim, I have chosen to assume there’s four elims. My personal philosophy is that it’s better to consider too many people than to consider too few. As for the amount you talk being NAI in your opinion, this may be true. But at this point, I’m good for catching a specific type of elim, and people who underplay or are super bold will get by my radar. However, I still think I’m good for catching one or two people, so I’m sticking by my reasons for weeding down the list. In future games, hopefully I’ll be able to personalize my analysis. I don’t get what they’d fear from Araris. Unless it’s me fearing him, or them fearing his ‘hmmmmms’, I don’t see why he’s more threatening than say Straw. So I think it was an opportunistic vote, which points to experienced players, although I think anyone could have done it. I’d noticed the Breaker thing. I’m trying to figure out their lifestyle. They seem to play on mobile, based on their use of coding to colour text, and must have email alerts on. But surely they have to eat and sleep sometime. It’s also suspicious that they’re playing in a game Gears has an excuse to be quiet in. Has anyone ever seen them in the same room together…. Re: vote count: I'm not too worried about the tie right now, because I'm counting on some late votes to pad the margins. What I am worried about is mobbing the wrong person. Matrim especially seems like a poor mob target to me. I can see the case for Breaker, but still believe they're a villager.

My best read right now is Xino, but I'll vote any of the four I suspect: (warning, long, rambling post under this spoiler tag) Maybe I just like voting people I knew from the Alleyverse. Goodnight everybody.

Well that could have gone better. Looking at my feel notes from last night, I had Araris down as neutral, so he would not have been my first choice to kill if I were Elim. What I suspect happened was the vote remover (village) went offline early when we were closer to a tie and submitted their action before the three people at the end put their's in. Or maybe they foresaw last minute vote switching. Or the vote remover (Elim) is attempting to frame me, in conjunction with a kill of one of the people who voted for me. If I were Elim, I might have requested the vote move from a fellow Elim or used the ability myself, but I would have cancelled it once the margins were padded on the main train. It's much too obvious. The only danger I was in was Araris' legacy of randomly voting for me and deciding not to switch because he didn't have a good reason to. He never voiced any real suspicions of me and probably would have changed his vote this cycle. Breaker's role claim seems off to me. I think they're a villager, but I think they're trying to stay alive. Or maybe they'd prefer to watch from the dead doc. Quick Edit: is the spy's win condition that they die? That'd be too obvious of them, right. Right? Double Edit: Nevermind Very unfortunately, my plan which I referred to last cycle relied on the Heklo reaching out to me. I made that invitation in the RP of my first post, and was hoping to be able to build a village network behind the scenes. Now that he's dead, I will now have to rely on being more open with my thoughts and hoping I'm not Elim killed for it. So much for scheming. Expect some analysis tomorrow, I'm pretty busy today. Oh, and Merry Christmas everybody!

The norm for this site is elims generally keep a low profile. My first game, I was an Elim and I was very vocal. There's two new players in this game, and so far you've been very active while the other (whose name I forget, sorry) has been pretty quiet. If you're an Elim, you're doing a good job trolling us. There's nothing wrong with being active, so it consider non alignment indicative for new players. You're cool. I'm not going to commit to a specific time frame. But the longer this goes without me producing something, the more suspicious you'll all be, so I'll bear that in mind. And as a note, even if votes are added or moved via roles, the doctor can protect someone. In the first round, I'd either protect whoever is in 2nd to prevent a tie being made and a double kill happening, or protect an obviously villagey person because they're the likely targets of an Elim kill. There's a chance they'll do the first and we'll be fine mobbing with tight margins. That said, better safe than sorry!

I have no idea what Matrim is talking about. That is to say, we haven’t ever talked strategy or played together. But I do think it’s possible that an observer could figure out what I’m trying to do, especially if they have done the same thing before, even if I came up with it independently. If I explain my strategy, it probably won’t convince Araris to move their vote because I am unsure what their reasoning is for voting me. And Breaker seems to be following the thread closely, so they might end up voting someone else anyway as the conversation develops. Those are risks I’m willing to take to maintain my usefulness later on. Again, the calculation is that I’m being unhelpful to the village right now, but I will become more dangerous to the elims later because of it. I was originally going to be a lot more low profile in order to avoid having to advertise my scheming, but I got pinged and voted on so here I am. I’m a little concerned we might be tunneling in on Snipexe just because they happened to have poke votes on them. I’ve noticed people tend to narrow the options in their mind to just people who we have a chance of mobbing. That said, that’s how we catch people: we make people defend themselves and they slip up and reveal their roles. So I’m glad to see the situation remains fluid. I could claim to have applied the same analysis as Straw when choosing Snipexe to vote, but that’s untrue. It was a random guess and I haven’t had a good enough reason to switch it. They’ve emerged as as much suspicious as anyone so far. Ghanderflaffe’s making me nervous. Not in an Elim way, but in a likely to bandwagon kind of way. They asked for a vote count when there was one posted a few posts prior, which makes me think they’re likely skimming and may have missed some stuff. That said, last game I played with them, they didn’t vote much, so perhaps it won’t amount to anything. I expect Breaker to play this game like I played my first one, which will also make them a wild card. Both of your playstyles are perfectly valid by the way, they just make me feel less secure.

I understand that. What I have is a suspicion. Publicizing it isn't likely to greatly improve the conversation, but it is likely to prompt the Elim to change their behaviour. I believe that at this time, it's better for me to play my cards tight to my chest. I'm being transparent about that so it doesn't look like I'm ducking the conversation entirely, which would be more suspicious. Ghander, this is up to date. ^

The point of an obvious poke vote is to increase activity to give you more information to analyze. You can surmise from when my vote was cast that it was a joke poke, but I don't intend to advertise them as such going forward. Subtle pokes produce a stronger emotional reaction, which can be more helpful. My vote on Snipexe was a shot in the dark. I have one Elim suspicion right now, but I'm keeping that to myself for the time being. The risk of dying with good information is lower than being killed for being right but not having enough to justify my guess to ensure I will be properly avenged. I have a neutral assessment of Snipexe, but he's as good a guess as anyone in my opinion. It also helps that mobbing him by a wide margin should protect me, although I expect Araris to reassess their vote sometime soon, so it's possible they might change and I'll be fine. I probably won't be around for the end of this cycle (re: Christmas stuff), so hopefully that doesn't produce a tie. I'm on Team No Tying Right Now. Beaker, you seem pretty village, so good news! You'll probably get night killed soon enough. Your one saving grace is the elims will probably prioritize targeting people who won't get protected over people who are obviously village for the first few cycles.

Cooper burst into the room, a stack of papers piled precariously in his arms. “Oh gosh golly everyone! I’m so sorry I’m late. I got lost and walked into the wrong meeting. This building is so confusing!” The young intern began passing pages around the room. “I’m afraid I don’t know any of you very well. Perhaps-” he checked his notes “- Mr. Heklo could talk to me at some point? When you’re not busy of course. I don’t mean to be a bother, I’m just here to learn! Did everyone get their sheets of doodling paper? You could also make paper starships out of them. If you need any more, just wave me over! What are we voting for?” Hey, all! Let me know if I’m using this new voting terminology correctly. I propose removing Snipexe. Snip has been exed. Snip.exe has stopped working. Nailed it.

Hot take: "Once I’m done with Stormlight 5, it will be time to have another big talk about the future of the Cosmere" means he's considering some outsourcing/collabs for Cosmere books so he can get more projects done. That seems to be the trend he's following now that he's expanding his workload into so many different areas.

I'd like to play! I read Skyward but haven't gotten around to Starsight... Things get really dark, huh? Maybe I'll go to the library and find a copy to read before the 22nd. Anyway, I'll be Cooper, a young intern who's just! Really excited to make new friends!! Go team!

Surprise! Good game, everybody. Shoutout to Gears and Araris for having fabulous killer instincts, it was nice having two tactically minded and experienced mentors by my side. Thanks to those who trusted me or gave me some leeway for being new, I apologize for manipulating y’all. Congratulations to everyone who made very valid observations about my vote switching, questionable assumptions, and bad math. You were too dangerous to let live. I now realize how powerful deduction can be; after being forced to switch my vote to save Gears in the first round, I spent the rest of the game stressing about the trail of clues we were leaving. It just so happened that other people were being even more suspicious. I stand by my assertion that people should vote more though. There were a couple of rounds when the elims cast nearly half of the votes. I feel like our influence could have been diluted if more people had voted. That said, being aggressive on that front worked out in our favour this time around. A massive thank you to Straw for running this! I appreciate the musical outro, although I’m a little concerned you had to turn to Google to find songs about fire. I feel like you should be able to come up with some off the top of your head, or maybe I just have a pyrotechnic playlist. And thanks to Devotary of Spontaneity as well, I saw ya lurking about. Although it looks like you lived in the dead doc, so I never saw you. This is a fun game, and I will certainly be back for more! A few notes from reading the dead doc: I made a few mistakes and realized them about two seconds after hitting post. The math thing was one. Adding an unnecessary fifth vote was another, I thought it was the fourth. I used a Word doc to make charts. And lots of tabbing. I didn’t understand the Somebody bandwagon either. And if driving the conversation is an elim indicator, I didn't realize, and that's probably a good thing.

I think one of three things are happening right now. Best case scenario is Danex, Connie, and Liranil are elims. (Liranil of 0 for 2 on voting the right elims, but they went Elandera three times in a row, which I don’t think an elim would do. And they're talking about their vote, when they could just submit one near the end and not give people time enough to scrutinize it.) More likely, Danex, Connie, and someone like Vapor are elims. The last person is ready to switch last minute and force the tie, but is holding off to see if a 3:5 situation happens. They need at least one village vote to have a chance. There’s also the possibility of a bus. This round they kill Connie and she flips elim. They kill off Araris and I as well with the research action. That makes it 2:3. They then get another village vote, which would be hard but not impossible, and use their research to kill another villager. That makes it 2:1 and they win. I can envision the calculation being that Connie is toast anyway so might as well get credit for the kill and accuse anyone who voted for me next time. Liranil, your vote on Connie would be very reassuring. And bring us to a 100% voting rate for the round, which makes the strategist in me happy.

PMs are closed and discussion of the game is prohibited besides in this thread... and the elim doc. I'll choose to believe this was a misunderstanding and not a ploy to cover accidentally revealing you planned something together in the doc. So how about we just move on from that. (I'd rather not be lynched anyway )

And if too few of us vote, the elims will vote as a bloc and have their way anyway. Not voting turns our 5:3 majority into 4:3, which is a little close for comfort.

While you're here, could you please vote? My preference is for Condensation or Gears, but any vote really would be interesting information that we'd hopefully get to analyze next cycle.

After the lynch, the radio switched to a somber parody of Plain White T's song. "Hey there, de lylo. What's it like in Newcag' City..." People at the start were saying C5 was the danger zone. Because we have eight now, we kill one, they can potentially kill two with their research ability. I doubt they researched Elandera last time, so we have to assume this is lylo. My current reads are Araris and Liranil are safe, so I'm very interested in who you two are voting for. I don't have a strong enough case for Experience or Vapor right now. Their inactivity basically means I can't pick apart their reasoning enough to start a lynch against them. I'll be frustrated if that's an intentional strategy on their part. Danex I have a neutral opinion of. Condensation, Gears, and probably one of the inactive people are who are think are the elims. I feel like we have the best case for Condensation at the moment, so I'll start that train. I'd be willing to switch if I hear a convincing argument with widespread support. I am wary of potential last minute vote switching. They can move their three votes at 4:59 tomorrow. So I'd like to get a lynch going with at least six people supporting it. Then there would at least be a tie if three people switch off. Ideally we'll all vote for the same person, but I worry about the two inactives.

"Looks like it's time for someone to face the music." Crasher placed a tiny radio on the table. It began to play the Foo Fighters song Arlandria... Ain't that the way it always starts A simple round of conversation... "For what it's worth, I don't think it's you either."

I believe that makes three votes on Elandera, one on Vapor, and one on Connie. Since no one's joining me at the Vapor party, I'll shelve that theory until next round and vote Condensation. I think it's more likely Condensation than Elandera, even though I think it's a bit of a gamble. I do like the idea of trying to figure out who the groups of three are. My best guess is Vapor/one of Danex or Connie/one of Araris or Gears. We really need to get at least one person to buy us some time.

I am concerned that we're going to roll into Cycle Five with no strong lynch candidate. At that point, they'll have three votes, which might be enough to kill if even one person doesn't vote. So let's talk about who we can lynch now and next time that we all feel good about. I do not feel confident lynching Danex. They have a record of one vote, and little discussion to analyze. Voting them would be a longshot. If we're going to vote them, I suggest that it be part of a sustained strategy over the next two rounds. Based on the guess that one or more of the Reckoners is lying low, we vote for both Connie and them back to back. If we just pick one and miss, I anticipate the elims convincing us to vote for someone else next round. I am concerned that Vapor is being set up for a bus, and is intentionally allowing themselves to be suspected. If so, Araris is in on it, but since Illwei flipped villager, it might not have been that. Their lack of a rationale for their actions still strikes me as strange, which is why they are my best suspect right now. Illwei thought Elandera was suspicious, so that possibility must be considered. Lynching them would also be a good way to test Liranil's theory that they and I are co-elims. (Hey, Elandera, what're your pronouns?) I feel like Liranil is playing their confusion up to avoid elimination, but that's not a great basis to vote them. Gears straight up killed Illwei this round, so at least that's a reason. Araris has been late-ish stage vote flipping, so that's a little concerning. Experience too.

Well. That happened. I knew the extra kills were coming, but I’d kind of forgotten about them until now. They aren’t really surprising choices, one inactive and two people who weren’t under much suspicion. I’m curious which one they picked this round, because that’s the one that would be the most strategically made choice. TJ was the only one who voted this round, so assuming it was them, it may have been to protect Araris from his suspicion. That said, it’s an obvious play, so I’m also inclined to think it may have been a set-up. Their timing is odd to me in it was meant to be defensive. A quick explanation of my actions last round. I was hoping Araris would join me on an Experience wagon, but they didn’t bite. I later revaluated and decided they’re unsuspicious anyway. Elandera fell off my kill list after my revaluation, and hitting Illwei seemed like a good way to get myself on the chopping block, because they might retaliatorily vote. Plus, they trusted me, so I kind of wanted to keep them alive. Vapor’s vote last round kept me alive, but their vote in Day Three felt off and they never gave good reasons for it. The bar for an explanation was low, but they never cleared it. So I avoided adding to the Illwei wagon, and started my own on them. The nice thing is, if they kill off more inactives, eventually we’ll just be left with people with voting records. Or it will be really obvious who the lying low Reckoners are. I’m going to keep my vote on Vapor until they explain their thought process a little better. I’m also conscious that we’re nearing lylo, so make sure to vote and all that. Elandera, Gears, Liranil! You’ve lynched a villager! Care to explain?

I'm sorry, I messed up my chart. You're entered twice, and that's what confused me. Gah. I think of all the suspicious people this round, in my mind, you're in the middle. Now that Araris has voted Vapor, I can also wave my mob stick at them. They really offered no defense whatsoever of their actions, and I find that suspicious. Updated Vote Count: Illwei on Elandera Experience on Archer Archer on Experience Danex on Connie Gears on Illwei TJ on Araris Liranil on Illwei – 2nd Araris on Archer – 2nd Elandera on Illwei - 3rd Araris on Vapor Archer on Vapor - 2nd

Alright, I’ve had some more time to go over what happened in Day Two. This analysis may repeat some things I’ve said earlier because I’m starting fresh. Araris has a thing for voting early then switching at last minute, and hasn’t been getting enough heat for it. They contributed to Somebody lynch. Experience voted for Araris initially, then switched to Vapor at last minute for reasons I understand, so they’re off the hook, but it was obvious at that point that the vote wouldn’t result in a lynch. Possible Experience-Vapour plan to create distance between them. But I think it was more of a genuine reaction to a suspicious act. That’s what they did at the end of Day One by voting for me too. Joe and TJ have consistently voted in the middle of the round and stayed with their vote. Last time they both started a bandwagon on me. Somebody added to it, but they’re dead, so above suspicion. Plus, I suspect it was because I voted for them last round. I can’t see them both being Reckoners and so blatantly starting a lynch together, but maybe one of them is. They fit the profile of what I think a Reckoner would look like. Liranil was vote two on the Elandera wagon. They voted for them last time too. I give credit for their being consistent in their position. I feel a Reckoner would be more opportunist or subtle. Gears briefly put Elandera on the chopping block with a then-lead making third vote on them, but they promptly removed it. If a Gears-Elandera scheme was happening, it is unlikely Illwei is their third Reckoner because they switched votes later, making Gear’s move redundant if that was the play. Elandera for their part did not vote, possibly wary of the repercussions of causing another villager lynch. Elandera and Illwei co-killed Quinn. Elandera didn’t vote last time, which is suspicious, but I suspect they were scared by last time. Illwei did and started a successful counter-lynch, but it protected me, so I can’t really fault them for that, even if the target was innocent. I’m abandoning the ‘they’re clear because of a lack of D1 scheme’ theory and re-evaluating them as suspicious. The Vapor wagon is based on one of two assumptions. The first is they were trying to protect me from being lynched. That leads easily into we are both Reckoners, which is false. The second is they were trying to protect Elandera who might have been on the block with me and Somebody if Condensation had flipped their way. (Speaking of Condensation, I’d like to vote them, but I don’t have the credibility to start a lynch on them that would actually be threatening enough to make them start voting.) There’s the third option, they just really had it in for Somebody, but that seems unlikely to me. So here’s where I’m at. From most suspicious to least, my suspect list goes Vapour, for vote switching with weird reasoning, Illwei, for being twice involved in village kills, Condensation, for talking a lot without voting, Gears, for the same reason, then everyone else in equal measure. TJ is probably safe, even if they suspect me, although if they keep voting right after Joe I will suspect it’s doc collusion that’s just not very subtle, instead of too obvious to be suspicious. Unfortunately, my top two suspects have supported me, and I hate to vote for them. Sorry in advance, guys. ***** Re: Illwei post: What’s an ISO? And you’ve ultimately decided on Elandera so no need to answer to all your suspicions right this moment. Liranil went with the popular bandwagons, which ignores the valid criticisms of Vapor, so slightly suspicious, but not really. Next round I need to do a deep dive into your posts. Araris voted for me, so once again I am put into a tight spot if I want to survive the round. If you do switch to Vapor, Araris, I’ll join ya. Otherwise, I’ll have to defensively vote again, which isn't ideal. Vote Count: Illwei on Elandera Experience on Archer Archer on Experience Danex on Connie Gears on Illwei TJ on Araris Liranil on Illwei – 2nd Araris on Archer – 2nd