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damn, this is too native. No idea what you mean as a non-native speaker.

Hi all, apologies if this was asked, but I never explored the Warbreaker sections of the forum as this is my least favorite novel. I have some questions about giving away the Breaths. 1) Would a person born on Nalthis be able to give his Breaths to non-Nalthian if they were on Nalthis? (e.g. If Kaladin moved to Nalthis, could he receive Breaths?) 2) Similar case - Kal moves to Nalthis, can he give his Breath to a Nalthian? 3) Can a Nalthian give away his Breaths off-world to a non-Nalthian? E.g. Zahel to Kal on Roshar? 4) Can a non-Nalthian give his Breaths to a Nalthian on Roshar? After proper training, with Intent etc. E.g. Kal to Zahel on Roshar 5) Can two Nalthians exchange Breaths off-world? Like on Roshar? I think the answers would be 1)Yes 2)No 3)Yes 4)No 5)Yes but I am just guessing based on the fact that Awakening and Breaths are not planet-related like Elantrian magic but they are inborn, sDNA related abilities. This is only my speculations though. Obviously Hoid is Awakening and he is not from Nalthis, but he is an extraordinary individual so maybe not a best example.

Call me stupid, but do they have all sorts of alkohol on Roshar? Until now, I treated it literally, they called it wine so I imagined wine, with odd colours to it, but still wine. But do they have everything, with the 'weird shinovar wine' being the only type we on Earth would call wine? Is this 'weak, orange wine' that Dalinar allowed to be drunk during feasts actually A BEER? I literally never seen a topic to discuss Rosharian types of alkohol, but this chapter opened my eyes and broke my head canon that was rock solid since like 5 years.

The Cultivation is not usually granting the boons, it's the Nightwatcher. Cultivation let the NW interfere with humans in order for NW to grow and learn. Dalinar speaking to and getting boon from Cultivation is an extraordinary exception, not business as usual. IIRC, it didn't happen for centuries prior to Dalinar's visit to the NW valley as per Cultivation's own words. Not to contradict your other points, though. Especially the use of word 'spike' makes it suspicious.

Totally forgot about the fact that Taln's HB was never at Shinovar. Thank you.

If Gavilar was supposed to bond the Stormfather how could his oaths look like? I guess second ideal could stay the same, Gavilar also wanted to achieve unity, through different means than Dalinar, but to a similar end. Also, do we have any confirmation that Stormfather was going to bond Gavilar? When SF mentions what Honor told him to do, he lists visions and bonding, but does not imply this should be the same person.

How is it even possible - and even more confirmed by WoB above - that the blade the madman had in the Kholinar was actually the Honorblade? They gave up their blades and Shins hold them. I thought that the Heralds not only left the swords and went the other way, but also severed the bond with them. Those were not THEIR swords anymore. But now, out of nowhere, Taln-madman has the Honorblade on his person. Did he go to Shinovar, fought off the shamans and took it back? Or maybe they never actually gave away the swords and the bond was not broken? In that case, how come the Shins had been able to train multiple people in using Surges? To me, the entire giving up on Honorblades in the WoK Prologue would not make sense unless the bond is also broken. The only possible explanation of the above is that the blade knows it belongs to specific Herald, no matter who wields it at the moment, and the rightfull Herald can summon it anytime. Otherwise, I have no idea how the Taln-madman could have had a Honorblade shortly after going back to Roshar.

The OP might be right that the spheres as a currency will need to be replaced, but the part about how afordable they are is incorrect. How much a specific person earns is linked to their nahn and dahn, but this is only true in Vorin Kingdoms - Alethkar, Jah Keved, Kharbranth (?). For Azish it works differently - I guess it is based on the state-run exams? - and we don't know much about Shinovar. So, at best, the analysis done by OP on how much afordable fabrials are and will be, is only valid for Vorin half of Roshar.

OK, but what is the God Beyond really? It is still a legend, right? Not a singe Arcanist knows what the God Beyond is? Is it even a real thing in the lore? That's OK, but since Evi's death, many years have passed - about 10 I guess. The strongest, most invested people, like Kelsier, would spend minutes or hours using their Investment status to prolong the time before going to Beyond. I don't think this counters my points above. The fact that Dalinar can access Spiritual, does not mean he can talk to the dead. The holder of [some two other Shards] was way more powerfull than a Dalinar, yet he was unable to break the rules of the world beyond. No reviving, only speaking to the dead shortly after their deaths, but that's it. I believe this is simply not within reach of any Shard, unless untill they gather all 16 and merge them. You didn't buy me with this, thank you for your response though.

Guys, I was doing my 4th reread of Oathbringer (coronavirus, right?). This time it really occured to me how unusual those weird mentions by Dalinar are, regarding the other source of consolation and comfort etc. I listed them, but don't quote me, as I'm translating from my memory: 1) feeling of warmth and light during vision with Nohadon 2) feeling of warmth and light during one of other visions, when it was apparent, that Honor is dead (this is the one Dalinar mentioned in the conversation with Kadash) 3) feeling of forgiveness from a woman (Evi?) when he embraced the Thrill 4) feeling of Navani shading 'the light' when she closed the balcony window while Dalinar was writing the 'Oathbringer' What is the current 17th shard most common theory on that? In my view, 1st and 2nd cannot be explained in any other way than other Shard's intervention. Which Shard would that be, doesn't matter. 3rd point - Evi's forgiveness - might be explained by assuming Dalinar extremely a very strong Connection to her and she was somehow Invested. Maybe due to her origins from Rira / Iri, or other, but it can be explained in a way. As for the 4th - no explanation except other Shard's influence on Dalinar. ALSO : why did Odium scream 'we killed you'? Any links to existing topics are welcomed Help me, folks.

Your wife's theory sounds very nice. I would rephrase it slightly - maybe Kingdoms had chosen Heralds as their informal patrons, like the Radiants did? Based on the Herald's attribute, they shaped their governments, policies, ways of living etc. Another example of having particular focus on some arts while postponing the other is Kharbranth with their famous hospitals / surgeons (so Battar?), and also the Paleneum (Palliah?). As for the Kingdoms being unable to survive by focusing on only one thing, I believe Oathgates might cover that for a bit. No reason to build univerities and maintain hospitals in Vedenar or Kholinar, when you can have surgeons available at request via Oathgate from Kharbranth.

'You cannot have my pain' is my number 1 favorite part of the SA. Combining all Dalinar POVs from Thaylen City and reading them without disruption from other characters should be a priority. 2nd is battle on the Tower - the part between Sadeas' betrayal and Dalinar and Adolin spotting that Kal's team came back for them. They seemed to know they will die, but decided take the death head-on. Sad, but no despair. Grief, but not overwhelming. Complete agreement with what is going to come. And they were rewarded for their heroic attitude. 3rd is Adolin's duel when Kal comes to help (well yeah, again!). True epicness. Sad that Shards are now less usefull since all the supernatural beings appear everywhere.

I think you are overestimating the number of people on each planet. 7 billion is a number for modern era, developed societies, and planets of similar size to Earth, which I don't know if it's the case for Cosmere, isn't Roshar bigger than Earth? Also using Roshar as an example : Alethkar is one of the biggest kingdoms there and can only gather an army of ~100 000 soldiers. On earth, in Middle-age'ish or ancient times such numbers were achieveable for great empires, like Roman empire. In the 25B.C there were about 60 million people inhabitating the Empire and could equip ~150 000 - 300 000 soldiers at a time. Also, please keep in mind that Romans did not have the soulcasters which make feeding those massive hordes many times easier. My wild guess, basing on a number of soldiers purely and assumption that Soulcasters reduce the effort required for supporting an army let's say 5 times, I'd say that there were 10 million people in Alethkar tops. If we add the other kingdoms, maybe we can gather 100 million inhabitants of Roshar. This is based on speculations and arbitrary approaching the subject of soulcasters efficiency, so feel free to argue with me here. I bet someone has asked Brandon about it already.

We know that Nightblood kills in all three Realms. Does it mean people killed by it cannot go Beyond? If it does, then using it as a weapon has some serious moral implications.

Trolling since we were supposed to look for her as per WoB, like it would be a challenge to find Vivenna. It was not. Everyone who knows who V is would have guessed that with an ease. That's precisely why i'm sad - no mistery, no debates here on 17thShard, No wondering 'where could we find her'. It's almost not like what Brandon does, to give something for his readers so obviously. He used to hint at things, not to hit us in da face with a brick. That's why I'm not 100% happy about how Vivenna was introduced into SA.

Yeah, gravity and the constant supply of Investiture from highstorms. So, in my head cannon, someone of age 50 actually is 55 when compared to us here on Earth, but still phisiologycally is and looks 50 due to the lower gravity (maybe) and access to Stormlight (definitely) which generally makes Rosharans much healthier. This is off-top, apologies. To the point : as someone stated before, if not Syladin, then Jasnadin. Else, Kal needs to be alone. It fits him very well. The way he looked according toShallan's eyes in the Thaylen City, as fearless sentinel caring for all the people but himself, refusing his own needs just to save the ones he loved - and for him, it would likely be thousands of people to be taken care of. IT works for Kal. Real watcher on the rim.

Please don't do this kind of x1.1 multiplications. When we hear Lift is 11, we need to picture her as 11. Adolin is 24 (about). Kaladin is 22. The fact Rosharan year is 1.1 longer when compared to Earth one does NOT mean characters are older. Dalinar (in mid fifty's) is NOT almost 70 and that's not how we should picture him. When Brandon says someone is 10, he is 10. Not 11. The multiplication of 1.1 should only apply when we compare in-cosmere timelines with each other and try to match years passing by on different planets. I also ship Syladin. Since the very beginning I felt there should be more into their story than being a simple 'bonded friends'.

When Venli touches dead Eshonai's body, something flashy zippes away from under the body. My initial understanding of entire Venli <> Timble relatioship was that somehow, a part of Eshonai's soul remained in the Physical Realm and is now trying to influence Venli to revoke new rhytms and leave Odium. I initially thought that Venli bonded Eshonai in a way. There might be something into it still, though.

My rank so far is WoK : 10 WoR: 8.5 OB: 8 What I felt on OB was that it is not such a masterpiece the previous parts were (especially when compared to WoK) due to the bigger focus on the Magic, Powers, and too little mistery. In 1st and 2nd book : we don't know who the Voidbringers are, don't know the Radiants' powers, and are afraid. Don't know what will come with the Everstorm. There is a feeling of looming disaster all the time, not to mention the brilliant character development we see for Kaladin and Dalinar's politics struggles. In OB, almost everything is spoken bluntly for us to not miss. I felt no mistery, no fear. Magic, apart from the Dalinar's arc which was AMAZING, is the main thing that drives the book. Frankly, there were only a seldom moments when I gave a bigger interest in what is going on (Dalinar almost becoming Odium's champion, Kal punching Roshone in da face, Elhokars death and this storming Moash). Shallan's chapters were a waste of time, and it took sooo long until she came to her mind in the final chapters prior to the marriage. Didn't like the Shadesmar trip also. OB is dangerously close to other, common fantasy books. One of the worse things Brandon has written. Of course, 8/10 is a very good note and many famous authors would not even approach that (Trudi Canavan, I'm looking at you), but when compared to the masterpieces he had been producting on a regular basis for our amusement, it won't hold. Just imagine taking away all the epic moments focusing on Realmatics like Dalinar combining Realms into one, and what will you get, when it comes to the characters and their interactions? I guess not much. Maybe it will get better for me once I'm done with a reread, but as for now it's somewhere above Shadows of Self, and below Elantris and Warbreaker.

Or 'trolling'. Brandon might be as well trolling us all. He said to 'keep an eye for Vivenna' in OB, but Azure is not someone you could skip or not notice - she is so obviously Nalthian awakener, swordmaster etc. You don't need to search for her as it's one of the secondary characters for 1/4 of the book. I imagined that Vivenna's appearence would be so slight like a Paliah in Paleneum or Terriswoman nurse in WB. Azure is screaming I AM VIVENNA. That's why I feel a troll's scent now. But, likely, it unfortunately is Vivenna after all. Sad.

Hello folks, what evidence do we have Azure actually is Vivenna? For me, it was not 100% certain. All we know is : - she can fight with a sword - knows the same kata Zahel does - has a variation of awakened sword - can awaken her clothes - is a worldhopper - came to retrieve Nightblood EDIT: - ah, I forgot about Royal Locks. damnation, it leaves only Siri and Vivenna in the contest, so i guess this thread is to be removed... I agree those are strong points, and it likely indeed IS Vivenna, but I strongly object when this community says it like it is already certain. It could potentially by anyone from Nalthis (only this awakened sword undermines my point really hard). We won't know for sure until she meets Vasher / we get a WoB confirming her identity. Or maybe we have it confirmed already? Sorry for possible duplication of threads but couldn't find a similar one. EDIT: - ah, I forgot about Royal Locks. damnation, it leaves only Siri and Vivenna in the contest, so i guess this thread is to be removed...

Hi guys, do you have any idea where can I get a pdf version of Oathbringer? I am having a hard time now - in Poland only Parts 1 and 2 are published in November, remaining part will be out in the Spring - April maybe. I will definitely buy it when it's released, but don't want to be put out of the discussions here, on 17th Shard, for half a year. So - do you know where can I get not-so-expensive version of Oathbringer in pdf? On Amazon it's about 35$, bit to much, especially when I already bought 1/2 of the book.

Shallan is on to discovering that the Thrill is of Odium when she says 'other Odium's sprens effects could be something ordinary to us'. I'm a bit upset about the Fused - is voidbinding simply copying Knights Radiant? Hope not. Also, this cliffhanger with Jasnah, it's to much for me to handle. Still two weeks until release (it's in Poland and the book itself is split into two parts........)

I think there was a WoB stating that Lift cannot use gems for Stormlight. She can only digest food to get Awesomeness. Can't find that WoB now.

Entire story in the theatre and girl climbing is a 'human race memory' of the time humans arrived from Yolen / Ashyn / wherever to Roshar system. The wall is just a mountains around Shinovar, and the village where a girl lived was a Shinovar itself. Behind the wall there was a 'stormlight' - a way of saying that the mountains shielded humans from highstorms. It was all set up (like someone else theorized) by a Cultivation as a way to protect people not acustomed to the local forms of life. Minor addition : possibly, the people were allowed on Roshar by Listeners only as long as they stay in Shinovar, and Listeners created a control system / watch on the rim to keep humans there. So say we all.