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1 minute ago, Schneeente said:

mooooorrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

O surto

Venli will close part 1 I think 

I'm expecting a cliffhanger 

5 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

And the Dustbringers seem to be... questionable at the moment, judging by Malata and Spark.

Yup Jasnah already stated she doesn't fully trust them yet. It means they only have one big order really suited for combat 

Alliance situation is not as fine as the Alethkar incursion made me think when I saw so many Windrunners and Edgdancers fighting 

None of those Radiants progressed over the third ideal either except Jasnah ? I actually think 90% of them are stuck in the second ideal, unable to conjuring shardblades and so 

Also it's so nice Rosharan surgeons are discovering vaccines

Hope our earth scientists manage to find vaccines to covid soon 

So the alliance only have 3 Truthwatchers, and probably only one Elsecaller. There is also no signs of Stonewards. Seems like some spren still stubborn to bond humans. 

With Willshappers largely being refunded among Singers and Skybreakers also fighting for the singers, it leaves alliance with only 4 full orders

My bet is there is around a dozen or two Lighweavers, and a similar number of Dustrbringers (maybe a few more). Around a hundred Windrunners, and less than half of that for Edgedancers 

Plus only one Skybreaker, one Elsecaller, the three Truthwatchers and one Bondsmisth (there was never many of them anyways)

So maybe around 200 Radiants

2 minutes ago, Hessi's Ward said:

I feel that too...

Also, fellow international sanderfan?

You didn't ask me, but yeah, Brazilian here 

1 minute ago, PrinceGenocide said:

Oh there's an hour extra today for this part of the world.

I have been refreshing for 50 minute 

lmao

Really makes sense. I'll got a little further

Ardentia structure is one of the most obscure gaps Sanderson is refusing to reveal and seems like nobody is really talking about it. We had some ardents POVs so far, such as Geranid, Ellista and Lhan, but nothing of really revealing was explained.

The are also no signs of uncovering secrets ardentia must be keeping, so I wonder if there is any secret organization inside Ardentia structure, with Pailiah as a fundamental member of them. Sanderson already mentioned Roshar have 9 secret organizations working in the planet, Confirmed societies are the Skybreakers, Sons of Honor, Ghostbloods, The Diagram and The Seventeenth Shard, making space for 4 others. A secret  one born among ardents is not unlikely 

23 hours ago, Honorless said:

*Karla Ortiz

Fixed

Personal comments:

Nale looks awesome. His outfits really remember me a constable, but there is some mix of both senerity and concern on his expression, it just looks right depction of him

Chanarach looks nice too, but I expected a illustration of the Herald of the Dustbringers to looks more... I don't know, war-like? She looks too peaceful for me

Btw, now we have illustrations of all Heralds except Battar 

Alethi slaves are low-paid labor, but they are treated like humans still. They have some human rights and get a paycheck, and they can own property and buy other goods. In this sense, alethi slaves are not private property of the noble caste, rather a group of people subjected to a compulsory work regime for whatever reason. I'm also not sure if slaves children are born slaves like their parents

This chapter shows even ardents are see as slaves, so Alethi society might have a broader definition of slaverism 

Perhaps, the definition most of you have in mind about what a slave is supposed to be is most fit to how singers were used, as they were treated like a cattle. Indeed they weren't beaten and gagged like common slaves, but torture a Parshman would be like torture a horse or any other farm animal. 

Remember for many low-born darkeyes are forbidden some basic rights, like travel rights. Slaves are essentially darkeyes with even lower income whose workforce rights were sold for someone willing to pay for them. Jasnah probably thinks no human person should be treated like a commodity to be sold and submitted to another person's ill, she wants to abolish this compulsory bondage system. Look the bridge-crews, the system worked because slaves couldn't refuse their lord's commands, not unless you want to be hanged

So she's essentially turning the already low-paid compulsory workers in low-paid non-compulsory and non-tradable workers. 

1 hour ago, Cheat Commando said:

If there is something like this, perhaps each Brand is associated with a particular Passion, a specific desire they must continually nurture and feel?

This theory is more likely than oaths, that's for sure. Singers orders seems to be different so I guess the singer passion defines what orders they are most fit, but it's hard to tell exactly which passion represents each brand  as many of them display different levels of insanity (Fannahn-im for instance are mostly crazy and live on the purpose of soulcast resources)

Fused aren't bonded to spren, as such I don't think any ideals are required

Besides Honor is the shard of oaths and liaisons, shards magical manifestation of investiture are generally related with shards own intent, II'm sure Odium grant access to power through emotions. Fused gained their power trough through hatred against mankind developed over many centuries of war

I think there is a specific ROW subforum to discuss this subject

43 minutes ago, Gilphon said:

There are lots of different human peoples on Roshar. They've had ten thousand years to diversify their cultures. And the Shin in particular have been isolationist for quite some time, leading to their culture not being directly influenced by anyone else's, and there's relatively little intermarriage with outsiders, so they maintain a distinctive appearance. 

(In addition, I suspect that Cultivation's presence means evolution happens faster on Roshar, so the humans who left Shinovar have evolved to be slightly better suited for Roshar's environment. Which in particular means epicanthal folds to deal with wind, hence why the Shin are always mentioned as having large, round eyes. Although since there's no mention of Ash and Taln having Shin eyes this chapter, those were probably reasonable common among Ashynites to begin with)

Ash was mentioned as having Shin features 

Oh Jasnah you are so incredible

Sanderson please give us more POV from this woman, I'm needy for more chapters of her

Sometimes I feel I'm the only one who loves Adolin as a non-radiant 

17 minutes ago, Lemiltock said:

Ill quote you bth because i feel you grasping on the same underlying issue. Brandon very early established 5 oaths, and that for lightweavers 4 of these are hard truthes about the radiant. How then is Shallan having another secret either a suprise or poor writing? As others have pointed out this truth may be about something done to her not by her.

But the fact she has hidden truths is not the problem, what I find quite annoying is the fact we already look at her past, the moment to reveal her secrets in past was book 2, and she used it to progress until the third ideal. There is no requirement of the truths to be exactly related to the past, I thought Shallan 4th and 5th ideals would be focused on her current actions and decisions and her past was finished for good. Just like Dalinar past was quite finished in last book and his next oaths are more likely related with his current actions

Shallan arc is becoming less and less convincing and from a narrative perspective is not cool establish her flashbacks in book 2 only to now state she actually has even deeper secrets not explained in her own book

But at least her psychological issue entertains (is anyone really not liking her multiple personality jokes? I find the writing really fun) and is working well as plot-device. She has a clear arc and direction and all things considered she truly feels like a key character in the big scheme of things

Kaladin plot at this point is just miserable circle of pain and suffering, it has not being fun for quite sometime already, his chapters were already my least favorite in Oathbringer and I'm sure they will be again in ROW. I also understand what Sanderson wants to do with him and I respect his decision as an author, I just hope this boy find some happiness in his life he does not deserve, really looking forward for him to overcome his darkness 

How many chapters are we getting before the final release?

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And the Mother of Machines, the most crucial of them all, dances with liars in a great dance. You must unmask them, reach for their hidden truths, and deliver them to the world. You have to admit that the worst lies are the ones you tell yourself.

Really excited to see Navani's plot, she's the onlye one I have no idea what to expect

Some Szeth finally !

And a Navani POV, neat as always 

Ok, but where is Jasnah ? I miss her 

Navani chapter please

5 hours ago, robardin said:

In-world, if a knowledgeable off-worlder like Zahel is going to do off-world magic stuff (Awakening) and drop terms and information about the wider Cosmere and the nature of Nalthis and the Returned, of course Kaladin would not understand most of it. By definition, neither would a reader who had not read Warbreaker. And that.. Is fine.

Debatable. I guess we need a non-Warbreaker reader and ask them what they think

As a non-Warbreaker reader, I would probably didn't understand anything (Type 1 invested, what?)

5 hours ago, robardin said:

Yes it means that for those readers who HAVE read Warbreaker, and more fully grok the hints being dropped (as well as the hints as to what is implied as happened after the events of Warbreaker), we get both an "easter egg" type of experience of recognition ("aha! He is a Returned and a high Heightening and has life sense / superhuman speed / he's Awakening the scarves!") as well as an even deeper sense of mystery than simply being about as confused as Kaladin ("...He classifies himself as a Lifeless now, after what he learned? What is that and when did he learn it?")

And that... Is also fine.

 

Even more debatable. What happened this chapter was not a easter egg, it was a 1 meter cock crowing scandalously to get attention.  As a Warbreaker reader, I didn't get any satisfaction whatsover for making any connection between the 2 books. didn't get any "aha" moment as the text was so self explanatory that I find impossible to someone who have read Warbreaker to don't get every info, It just was not fun nor exciting read which is really strange because I generally enjoy Sanderson explanation texts

3 hours ago, Rainier said:

Why would he? This is simply not his fight. He's not on Roshar to get involved in a war between Shards, he's on Roshar to get away from that nonsense. He even says as much. The only reason he's opened up to Kaladin is because of their personal connection, probably because Vasher sees himself in Kaladin, and sees his own past folly in Kaladin's future. He's left the fight behind, or is trying desperately to pretend like he has (remains to be seen).

He's not Gandalf, fighting for the good guys. He's more like Clint Eastwood in Gran Torino: old, retired, surly, with a strong desire to be left alone, but a heart of gold behind the gruff exterior. It's only once you mess with him personally that he'll unleash his full capabilities. In Gran Torino Eastwood didn't go snitching to the police, and I doubt Vasher is willing to become entangled by aligning himself with Dalinar so publicly.

Because otherwise the world he is currently in will crumble? I suppose you have read Warbreaker, if so you must be aware unless something really bad have happened from Warbreaker to Stormlight 1 to Vasher completely change his philosophy He would never see a world falling apart and don't move a finger to even give information to humans , its a 100% out of character decision for him 

At first I thought he was hiding because he had some kind of a ploy rolling and he needed secrecy. This chapter shows it's quite not the case he just didn't bother to tell anybody which is... odd to say the least